So where did the three bullets go?

[KansDem]

We see in the video that Officer Michael T. Slager shot eight times at Walter L. Scott from a distance of about 15 to 30 feet. According to unofficial reports, Mr. Scott was struck five times.

Mr. Stewart said the coroner had told him that Mr. Scott was struck five times — three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart. It is not clear whether Mr. Scott died immediately. (The coroner’s office declined to make the report available to The Times.)

The New York Times

So where did the remaining three bullets go? Did they whiz into a house? A school? A playground?

Who was in danger of getting struck by these three errant bullets? Have any reports surfaced yet?

It's terrible enough when a police officer murders a citizen, but when that officer unloads his weapon in manner that sets bullets flying randomly, the entire community is in danger.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. I watched the vid of the cop questioning him while still in car, there is a PASSENGER in the

car looks like to me

Anybody know what I am talking about?

do we have that video?

[liam_laddie]

2. Headrests often appear...

...to be a passenger, especially in low-light situations. I'm unsure, myself.

[herding cats]

3. Yeah it looks like someone is in there

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/us/video-of-encounter-that-led-to-south-carolina-police-shooting-is-released.html

You see them moving about.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

4. So what does the story say about that, is there someone in there?

anybody know?

[herding cats]

8. There's not much on them so far.

South Carolina shooting: passenger was in Walter Scott's car during traffic stop

A passenger was reportedly in Walter Scott’s car when Scott was stopped by a North Charleston police officer who fatally shot him shortly afterwards.

Local news station ABCNews4 said police reports showed an unidentified passenger was inside Scott’s Mercedes Benz when the 50-year-old was stopped by officer Michael Slager last Saturday.

That person could provide insight into the circumstances that led Slager to fire at Scott while the unarmed man was running away – an incident that was captured on video by Feidin Santana, who was walking to work nearby.

A spokesman for the Scott family’s attorney, Chris Stewart, told the news station the family does not know who the passenger was.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/09/south-carolina-shooting-passenger-walter-scotts-car-during-traffic-stop

[jwirr]

18. I don't know about the rest of you but if I had been that passenger and seen that idiot shoot my

friend in the back I would have been running hell bent for leather in the opposite direction and I would not be turning myself in. The only way I would turn myself in would be to the FBI and then only with a promise of protection.

[herding cats]

25. It's not clear if the passenger had a clear line of sight the whole way.

A DUer posted a map which helps show where he was stopped and where he was murdered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026476880#post6

And since running away while black just got Walter Scott killed, I admit I'd think twice about it myself.

Someone called Scott's mother and told her Scott had been shot with a taser at a traffic stop. She called his brother asking him to check it out, and when he arrived he was dead. Someone appears to have know he'd been tased, but didn't know he'd been shot and killed.

Mr. Scott’s brother said his mother had called him on Saturday, telling him that his brother had been shot by a Taser after a traffic stop. “You may need to go over there and see what’s going on,” he said his mother told him. When he arrived at the scene of the shooting, officers told him that his brother was dead, but he said they had no explanation for why. “This just doesn’t sound right,” he said in an interview. “How do you lose your life at a traffic stop?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html

It seems someone else saw some of it at least.

[Travis_0004]

26. The passenger stayed until more police arrived

The passenger is also just fine. I dont think they saw the shooting from where the car was parked.

[TeeYiYi]

5. He had..

...a friend and/or coworker in the car with him.

TYY

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

7. First I have heard of it, weird. That passenger is going to tell a story that guess who

wont believe the same way they didnt believe Dorian Johnson.

[TeeYiYi]

12. I found this...

The video, which was released Thursday, also shows a passenger in Scott's car.

The passenger's identity was not given in a police report obtained by CNN, but another officer responding to the incident said in the report that the passenger was detained and placed in the back seat of a police vehicle.

Scott family attorney Chris Stewart told CNN the man with Scott was a co-worker and friend. He did not identify the friend by name.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/09/us/south-carolina-police-shooting/

Hopefully we'll find out more about the friend.

TYY

[pintobean]

13. Dorian Johnson told several false stories

according to the DOJ. Comparing this incident with the Brown shooting is ridiculous.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

15. Almost identical situation as to the actual shooting, only difference is Brown is facing the cop

when he takes the final two shots to the head.

Other than that, the distance as in this video, similar, everything very similar.

I realize some people need Brown to be guilty of something.

Too bad we dont have the video, but it would show an ALMOST IDENTICAL positioning of the two

both UNARMED

[pintobean]

16. Brown wasn't shot in the back

or shot at while fleeing. Brown assaulted the officer, Scott didn't. Brown turned and charged the cop, Scott didn't.
They are not the same.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

17. Brown didnt charge the cop, only a known liar says so.

It is SOOO important to certain people that Brown be guilty of something

I get it

[pintobean]

20. Blame the DOJ, Eric Holder, Bob McCulloch, and the grand jury.

They're who you disagree with.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

21. NO, Eric Holder never says ANY such thing and ONLY says he CANT prove he wasnt in fear

based on all the testimony.

period

sorry

[pintobean]

23. That's not what the report says.

You still haven't read it?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

24. Sure have, nowhere does the DOJ say anything of certainty as to whether he was

or wasnt threatening the officer only that based on conflicting testimony, the benefit of the doubt goes to the cop.

That they cant prove he wasnt in fear for his life.

I hope you will spend all day today proving me wrong, proving how IMPORTANT it is to YOU that he be guilty of something.

Too bad we couldnt have had a trial and found out...which has nothing to do with what the DOJ did

[SwankyXomb]

30. The badge lickers have been noticeably absent

from most of the threads on this topic. It must give them all kinds of tingles to have a point where they can push their "KOPZ R GUD U ALL SUK" agenda.

[logosoco]

31. Not fleeing? Then why was he so far from the vehicle when he was shot? nt

[Viva_Daddy]

6. Why can't cops be trained to shot for the legs, not the back?

If they shoot for the legs instead of the back, the bullets that miss are likely to go harmlessly into the ground instead of randomly into a neighborhood.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

9. I don't know 'harmlessly', especially if they're on concrete, the shots can ricochet.

But at least part of the energy will be spent when they first hit the ground, which means less danger overall.

[stevenleser]

10. No, the key is don't pull out your gun on and certainly don't fire on non-threats.

Every armed organization in the world trains its people that if you need to fire a firearm at someone, you fire at center of mass.

The key phrase there is "if you need to fire a firearm at someone"

The need only exists if you or someone else is in threat for their lives.

[In_The_Wind]

11. ^^^ This ^^^

except ... why aren't they being trained to deal with situations without using a gun

[951-Riverside]

14. Because they want them dead

Dead guys can't sue for pain, suffering and medical bills.

Simply put, its cheaper to pay the family a mil or two in a lump sum settlement vs. $500,000+ a year for life to keep a wounded guy alive.

[justiceischeap]

19. Because anyone trained to fire a weapon are trained to shoot at the largest mass

because it's safer for all. In a situation as was caught on video, you have a person running and a cop amped up on adrenaline, the likelihood of him making a leg shot and succeeding is low. And if the cop were actually in a situation where his or her life is in danger (I'm not seeing it from the video in this case), then I want them to survive the encounter.

The problem, as I see it, is cops should be better trained when to pull and use their weapons, not how to use them. They seem pretty damn successful with how to use them.

[herding cats]

27. Same reason they can't be trained not to shoot fleeing unarmed black men? nt

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[Travis_0004]

28. In this case the cop shouldnt have shot at all

If aomebody is an actual threat, then shooting center of mass to stop the threat is the correct action.

In this case not shooting at all is what should have happened.

[Hoyt]

29. Oh, the gun knowledgeable cite the axiom they were taught -- aim for center mass. They cite safety,

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like this policeman and Darren Wilson were worried about the safety of innocent people getting hit by one of their wildly fired bullets. Gunners, and hardened police, cite you can't bring your target down of stop them by shooting at legs -- well, maybe you don't have to drop the "target," kill them, or shoot them in many of these cases.

I'm so tired of people trying to rationalize killing more folks.

[Action_Patrol]

33. Or if you get shot in the leg...

And it hits your Femoral, you're nearly instantly dead. The whole point is that these idiots aren't supposed to shoot anything that isn't an immediate threat to life

[ileus]

22. Normally with striker fired pistols Low and Left.

You could probably find them with a metal detector in the dirt.

[logosoco]

32. I worry about this whenever I hear of a shooting. Or a car chase as well.

I don't trust anyone with a weapon, unless under controlled circumstances (like a shooting range). Someone may think they are a good shot, but in an emotional situation they are sure to lose some skill.

This was a thought I had with the Michael Brown shooting. A lot of people in those apartments. The cop made a choice that his "fear for his life" was more important than any bystander.

[Calista241]

34. It depends on what kind of ammo he used.

Hollow point ammunition, which is generally what law enforcement use, is lethal out to about 100 to 150 yards if he was shooting a 9mm pistol.

Full metal jacket ammo is lethal to much further ranges, but this is not generally used by law enforcement for carry purposes.

In my area, cops are usually assigned a 9mm pistol by the agency they work for.

[Angel Martin]

35. Slager was carrying a 45

so max lethal distance is more like 70-100 yards, but still plenty dangerous in a suburban neighbourhood

police accuracy rates are low. NYPD reported a 30% hit rate against suspects who didn't shoot back

http://nation.time.com/2013/09/16/ready-fire-aim-the-science-behind-police-shooting-bystanders/