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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:50 AM Apr 2015

My son the cop would never do that....

One of the things that enables corruption is self denial, and on some cases, self delusion to the point of ridiculousness. The normal one we see is a Mother crying before the Jury saying her son is a good boy. Granted, he was seen on video tape wearing the severed head of his victim as a hat, but he's a good boy. We want to believe the best about our family and friends. We want to believe that they are good boys, girls, men, and women.

That is also part of the equation that allows the fiction of the few bad apple cops to exist. Not the few bad apples of course, the fiction that it's only a few.

Logically, it simply put can't be a few. If there is one, then there are by definition, a lot of them. One bad cop cannot work in a vacuum. They have back up officers showing up to most of the calls they attend to. From traffic stops to domestic disturbances. You never know what cops are going to show up as backup, and thus have no way to run it as a small in family conspiracy. While all cops may not plant evidence, lie, abuse people, or steal. All the cops do fall in line and back up the testimony of the "few" bad ones in every instance.

Self Delusion probably plays a big part of the self justification of those criminal cops. I may honestly believe that John Smith here is a drug dealer. But my search has turned up no drugs. Well I'm a good cop, and I know a drug dealer when I see one. I can plant a small amount of drugs as evidence, and we can get this drug dealer off the street. I know he's guilty, because I have experience and know better. So while I am doing a bad thing, planting evidence and lying in that scenario, I'm doing it for a good reason in my mind.

All of this came to my mind this morning when I read this article.

The mother of the police officer who was caught on video shooting an unarmed black man in the back as he was running away has broken her silence.

Karen Sharpe, the mother of North Charleston Police Officer Michael Slager, defended her son in an interview, saying she cannot believe that he would do anything like what he's accused of.

She also revealed that his wife, who is eight months pregnant, is devastated.

Ms Sharpe said that she will never watch the video footage of the fatal shooting.

This as she also expressed her sympathy for Walter Scott's family, the man her son shot dead.


A mother who wants to believe the best about her son. He isn't one of those out of control cops you hear about. He's a good boy, Momma raised him right, to do the right thing.



Now, I feel sympathy for the family of Michael Slager. I honestly do. But the time for self denial is past. The time for self delusion is long past, and it's time to look at the Police with a new eye. Yes, your husband, son, father, mother, daughter, wife, cousin, neighbor, and friend are involved in something. Either the disreputable action, or covering up the disreputable action.

Look at the video again. Michael Slager did not waste precious seconds thinking "oh my God I killed a man" his first thought was to get the evidence moved where it needed to be to fit the narrative that Slagle wanted to have shown. The Police didn't question it, not even with five bullets in the back of Walter Sharpe. Five bullets in the back lays waste to the idea that Slager was defending himself. But the department was perfectly happy to go with that story, until they had no choice but to admit that's not what happened. The original offer of the Video was ignored according to reports, and they were surprised when it got play on the News. Then the department had to close ranks with Slager on the outside of the Thin Blue Li(n)e.

Several other police officers had to cooperate in the conspiracy, and without that damning video, the Police would be piously standing up talking about how Slager had no choice, and he was terribly upset by this regrettable loss of life. The man that moved the evidence to drop the Taser near the body of the Walter Sharpe is not disturbed about murdering a man in cold blood, he was only worried that he might not get away with murdering in cold blood.
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My son the cop would never do that.... (Original Post) Savannahmann Apr 2015 OP
The video is pretty definite about what her son did and did not do. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #1
Yeah... Holy crap. Adrahil Apr 2015 #4
you know what? Abusive cops often abuse their loved ones too notadmblnd Apr 2015 #20
He did seem to exhibit a rather calm demeanor.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #27
Mother's blindness, I mean love. 4Q2u2 Apr 2015 #34
I think it is unconditional love for a child the Moms all feel, yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #40
great post. k& r n/t cali Apr 2015 #2
Denial is a powerful human ability.. sendero Apr 2015 #3
She created the problem! Growing up her son learned he could do no wrong, mom would Dustlawyer Apr 2015 #24
That's some speculation. JTFrog Apr 2015 #37
It is interesting to me how the adult man shares responsibility for his murderous behavior with seaglass Apr 2015 #54
Many do learn it on the job, but most people like that gravitate to the job. Dustlawyer Apr 2015 #60
Reality of a situation/event can be extremely hard to accept, especially when RKP5637 Apr 2015 #5
Hey...we were thinking the same thing at the same time... FarPoint Apr 2015 #7
... RKP5637 Apr 2015 #10
Denial is a psyche defense mechanism in this situation... FarPoint Apr 2015 #6
I can accept an officer firing a gun if tavernier Apr 2015 #8
while I certainly hope.... Locrian Apr 2015 #9
The summary is the best description of what is happening that I have seen. This is what we need jwirr Apr 2015 #32
How many mothers are going to say "I knew my child was a potential killer" ? In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #11
Give the lady time to get past the 1st step of grief. TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #12
She's likely just as racist as her killer son. nt valerief Apr 2015 #14
Well bless your little heart Telcontar Apr 2015 #16
Maybe, but you don't know her TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #19
Hence my use of "likely" rather than "definitely." nt valerief Apr 2015 #21
If that makes you feel better, OK- just saying TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #33
Has the investigation shown the killer to be a racist? 7962 Apr 2015 #30
oh sweet Jesus! Solomon Apr 2015 #39
well, even the Zimpig heaven05 Apr 2015 #46
How the heck is that "defending" him? I said he is a murderer. That doesnt make him a racist 7962 Apr 2015 #48
okay heaven05 Apr 2015 #50
Or, it's more ann--- Apr 2015 #43
Their Conspiracy of Innocence. I'm sick of it. They're fucking monsters. nt valerief Apr 2015 #13
Families of murderers often suffer along with them - especially spouses and children alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #15
Walter Scott n/t malaise Apr 2015 #17
K&R darkangel218 Apr 2015 #18
The son you knew would never do that. Helen Borg Apr 2015 #22
She said she will never watch the video of the shooting. Mariana Apr 2015 #58
Denial presumes rationality -- a means of avoidance with a reality that can't be fathomed. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #23
what good would it do if the mother condemned her son? Enrique Apr 2015 #25
"Ms Sharpe said that she will never watch the video footage of the fatal shooting." Rex Apr 2015 #26
i have a friend whose son is a cop nearby ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2015 #28
Excellent post. 7962 Apr 2015 #31
Exactly. A camera is a friend to a good cop. nt SunSeeker Apr 2015 #42
Tsarnaev's Mom felt the same way about her son n2doc Apr 2015 #29
Just how many good cops are there in this country. Stellar Apr 2015 #35
I don't know if I buy that yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #47
Is that the same thing? Stellar Apr 2015 #52
Denial - not just a river in Egypt. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #36
This reaction is hardly limited to the mother of cops B2G Apr 2015 #38
I know. I even mentioned that. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #41
It's amazing to me B2G Apr 2015 #45
There is most certainly an element of self denial but also an aspect of psychological distortion tech3149 Apr 2015 #44
I appreciate your honesty heaven05 Apr 2015 #49
That and the fact that you're dog doesn't bark rock Apr 2015 #51
Funny that she says she can't watch the video of what her son did, I cannot watch the logosoco Apr 2015 #53
MOMMY! MOMMY! MOMMY! Look at your son... frylock Apr 2015 #55
It must be very difficult as a mother to wrap your brain around such a thing Marrah_G Apr 2015 #56
I understand that. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #57
not to sound nutty but we hear this all of the time. JanMichael Apr 2015 #59

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. The video is pretty definite about what her son did and did not do.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:55 AM
Apr 2015

Denial is just a river in Egypt for most people when faced with the truth.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. Yeah... Holy crap.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:00 AM
Apr 2015

She refuses to watch the video... No doubt because she KNOWS she can't continue to deny his guilt if she sees it.

I feel sorry for his pregnant wife, but she picked a killer for a husband and father.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
20. you know what? Abusive cops often abuse their loved ones too
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:07 AM
Apr 2015

maybe we should be happy for the pregnant wife? This guy was so freakin cold blooded that I find it hard to believe his violent behavior was limited to outside the family.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
27. He did seem to exhibit a rather calm demeanor....
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:37 AM
Apr 2015

Considering he had just shot an unarmed fleeing man to death. His first instinct wasn't to render medical aid, but to plant the evidence. You may be right.

Domestic abusers are cowards, and shooting a fleeing, unarmed man in the back is about as cowardly as they come.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
34. Mother's blindness, I mean love.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:58 AM
Apr 2015

Gengis Khan's mom said the samething.
He was always a good boy.

I bet Ted Bundy's mom thought he was swell also.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
40. I think it is unconditional love for a child the Moms all feel,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:17 AM
Apr 2015

But I also think it is pangs of guilt that she did something wrong with raising him. Moms always carry the burden of how children turn out. He k she could have been Mom of the year and still kids don't always turn out as you raise them. That is life but Moms always put the blame of themselves whether they speak it or not.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
3. Denial is a powerful human ability..
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:57 AM
Apr 2015

.... that protects us from reality when reality is simply unbearable. I don't blame her, I would do the same thing.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
24. She created the problem! Growing up her son learned he could do no wrong, mom would
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:22 AM
Apr 2015

defend him no matter what he did at school, etc. He became a spoiled, mean bully because he never had to pay a penalty for bad behavior. I know this because I have seen it too much. This bad cop started down the road because of his mom, and he assumed his brother cops and his bosses would be like mom and he could continue to bully people as an adult.

The other problem many here ignore, though I don't see the solution either is the other cops backing up the bad actors. The blue line punishes any cop who violates the unwritten code by reporting, testifying, telling on their fellow officers. That cop is the one punished. They might as well move away and stop being a cop, because they will never be safe working again. They also risk the safety of their own family. I would like to think that many more would come forward but for the severe consequences they would face for telling the truth against a corrupt brother officer.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
37. That's some speculation.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:03 AM
Apr 2015

Maybe he learned that behavior on the police force. Maybe they are the ones that taught him that he could bully people and they would back him up. Maybe he watched and learned from the best.

Just sayin....





seaglass

(8,173 posts)
54. It is interesting to me how the adult man shares responsibility for his murderous behavior with
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:02 AM
Apr 2015

his mom. This is so typical. Where's dad?

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
60. Many do learn it on the job, but most people like that gravitate to the job.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

I have worked with many cops, police departments, and associations. I have asked officers that I grew to trust and like about it. That all told me that a too high percentage are looking for a power trip when they become a cop. Other cops have trouble working with them, but they all feel they have to fall in line because if they cross the Blue Line they are screwed. I told one that they need to get together and call an end to the bull shit and tell them it won't be tolerated. He didn't think it would ever happen.
I think it can happen if we start convicting their asses as often as one of these videos surfaces!

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
5. Reality of a situation/event can be extremely hard to accept, especially when
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:01 AM
Apr 2015

it undermines your beliefs/feelings/emotions ... hence, denial steps in as a psychological defense mechanism for some level of stability.

FarPoint

(12,443 posts)
6. Denial is a psyche defense mechanism in this situation...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:04 AM
Apr 2015

She can not handle to emotional trauma at this time. This is what the brain does to protect us. Example...learning a dear love one is terminally ill, incest rape survival...mental blocking can save them emotionally....You get my point.

It may be a long time before she realizes the facts.

I have no beef with the mother...yet...unless she goes media mad and acts like a Zimmerman parent.

At the moment...she needs space.

tavernier

(12,401 posts)
8. I can accept an officer firing a gun if
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:12 AM
Apr 2015

he truly believes his life is threatened. Any of us would.

However, this is not the scenario in most of the recent police shootings. And this one? Not even close. Cold blooded murder.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
9. while I certainly hope....
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:17 AM
Apr 2015

While I certainly hope Slager is held accountable I hope it does not "end" at a (seemingly likely) conviction. There is something DEEPLY SICK AND WRONG with the whole police system, and it needs serious attention.


The Police didn't question it, not even with five bullets in the back of Walter Sharpe. Five bullets in the back lays waste to the idea that Slager was defending himself. But the department was perfectly happy to go with that story, until they had no choice but to admit that's not what happened. The original offer of the Video was ignored according to reports, and they were surprised when it got play on the News. Then the department had to close ranks with Slager on the outside of the Thin Blue Li(n)e.

Several other police officers had to cooperate in the conspiracy, and without that damning video, the Police would be piously standing up talking about how Slager had no choice, and he was terribly upset by this regrettable loss of life.



From this article - I think summarizes the bigger issue:
Nationwide, training that pushes pre-emptive action, military experience that creates a warzone mindset, and legal system favoring police in misconduct cases all lead to scenarios where officers to see the people they serve as enemies, he said.

"It's not just training. It's not just unreasonable fear. It's not just the warrior mentality. It's not just court decisions that almost encourage the use of it. It is not just race," Tucker said. "It is all of that."


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150409/us--police_officer-fatal_shooting-ff491d9307.html

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. The summary is the best description of what is happening that I have seen. This is what we need
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:52 AM
Apr 2015

to deal with. NOW.

TexasProgresive

(12,158 posts)
12. Give the lady time to get past the 1st step of grief.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:31 AM
Apr 2015

She has lost the son she knows as surely if he was the one shot. Hopefully she will move through the 5 stages of grief to reach acceptance.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

TexasProgresive

(12,158 posts)
19. Maybe, but you don't know her
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:06 AM
Apr 2015

Rushing to judgement is not an admirable trait, neither is blaming parents off handedly for the actions of their children, especially grown children.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
30. Has the investigation shown the killer to be a racist?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:48 AM
Apr 2015

By your logic, anyone killing someone of a different race is a racist.
The cop is a murderer. I havent seen any evidence that he is a racist murderer.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
46. well, even the Zimpig
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
Apr 2015

zimmerman for the unknowing, had his admirers and defenders on here. To be expected.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
48. How the heck is that "defending" him? I said he is a murderer. That doesnt make him a racist
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

Maybe he is. But he is most certainly a murderer. Did you miss the clip yesterday of the dozen cops beating the shit out of the white guy in CA? They're abusing people EVERYWHERE and they dont give a shit one way or the other. It does no good to automatically label him a racist simply because he's white. What about that black cop who shot the white guy in Alabama a few months back, he's a racist too?
I say put the guy away for life if not the needle.
And ETA: screw zimmerman; he'll see his own downfall soon enough i'm sure.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
15. Families of murderers often suffer along with them - especially spouses and children
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:56 AM
Apr 2015

Of course, we rarely hear about these families.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
58. She said she will never watch the video of the shooting.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:23 PM
Apr 2015

That way, she can continue to pretend that her son is a Good Guy.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
23. Denial presumes rationality -- a means of avoidance with a reality that can't be fathomed.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:22 AM
Apr 2015
- Insanity, on the other hand, has the luxury of not having to make sense to anyone but the insane.



K&R

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
25. what good would it do if the mother condemned her son?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:32 AM
Apr 2015

i'm ok with society condemning him and punishing him if he's guilty, and letting the mother support him if she wants.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. "Ms Sharpe said that she will never watch the video footage of the fatal shooting."
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:37 AM
Apr 2015

Well I don't blame her, who wants to watch the son you've raised - commit a heinous murder? Denial is a strong motivator. However, over time she will probably watch it and realize just how far her son has fallen from being a respected police officer.

He didn't even try to save his victim. I bet that would bother her for the rest of her days. Assuming she herself is being honest and sincere.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
28. i have a friend whose son is a cop nearby
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:38 AM
Apr 2015

he has a camera on his bike and has opted for one on his body (before some of this mess kicked up). he says it is the best protection he has for his duty and couldn't imagine being without one. i would think all the good cops out there (yes, I know there are good cops out there) would LOVE the idea of a camera... those that are fighting them? i just don't understand why...

do your job and you have nothing to fear from a camera.

sP

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
35. Just how many good cops are there in this country.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:01 AM
Apr 2015

Oh, I'm sure there are a few. So, you got the cop that did the killing and the cop/s that backed him up....self defense cop. Any cop that writes a narrative backing up the killer cop is equally responsible for the murder in my book. And, he should be tried for that crime.

'Several other police officers had to cooperate in the conspiracy, and without that damning video, the Police would be piously standing up talking about how Slager had no choice, and he was terribly upset by this regrettable loss of life.'


When every cop is responsible for his or herself and not the blue line, then maybe this country will be ready to change. That black cop should be in jail too and f**k the blue-line!
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
47. I don't know if I buy that
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:25 AM
Apr 2015

When a doctor molests a patient in his office during a check up which happens a lot, do we put doctors in the same category and say well there are still good doctors out there?

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
52. Is that the same thing?
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:57 AM
Apr 2015

Yours is a case of the patients word against the doctors word. Who is to say he's a good/bad doctor...the patient or the doctor. And I'm not sure that it happens a lot either.

I speak of the person who agrees with the killer cop in his narrative in his own print or handwriting, it's in the record that was filed by the killer. It's not like the dead man can say anything, against the cop to say he's a good or bad person.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
36. Denial - not just a river in Egypt.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:01 AM
Apr 2015

It has to be very difficult to accept that your son did something so horrible.
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
41. I know. I even mentioned that.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:17 AM
Apr 2015
The normal one we see is a Mother crying before the Jury saying her son is a good boy. Granted, he was seen on video tape wearing the severed head of his victim as a hat, but he's a good boy.


I'm pretty sure that covered it.
 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
45. It's amazing to me
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:20 AM
Apr 2015

Do they really have no clue or are just in total denial?

I think what they're trying to convince themselves of is 'I could never raise someone who does something like that'.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
44. There is most certainly an element of self denial but also an aspect of psychological distortion
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:19 AM
Apr 2015

This psychological distortion is pervasive in all positions of authority, especially police and "corrections" officers. Do a little research on Yale's Milgram study of authority and compliance or the Stanford prison experiment. These and other studies show a predominant tendency for abuse of the power granted by a position of authority. The same can be seen in studies of the affluent and corporate executives. Unless there is some balancing force it is entirely too easy for even the best of us to fall victim to a sense of entitlement and abuse a position of power.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
53. Funny that she says she can't watch the video of what her son did, I cannot watch the
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:59 AM
Apr 2015

video of her!
In my family of marriage, there is a child killer. I have known him since he was 2. He killed a little girl about a dozen years ago and not a day goes by that I don't think of it. There was major shock at first, but not denial, other than "I can't believe this has happened". Surely I never thought he could have done such an evil action, but he did and telling myself he "never could have done this" would not have been healing or productive. My nephew is on death row now. I did not speak out for him to be spared this, mainly because the family of the victim wanted the DP.

It would be great for this woman, and even society, if she can accept that her son did a very evil thing, and probably has before. Denying his actions will not help her at all. One thing that helped me when there was a killer in my family was I started working in a day care. I felt that giving love to children from my heart was very healing and made me feel somewhat at peace.
I learned that the only way to stop bad is to do good.
What a great thing it would be if cops who abuse their authority and become murderers could have seen this. Perhaps it could stop them.
In a perfect world, this woman (and many others) could step forward and make change within the police community. Defending or denying his actions does not help her, or us or the many victims of police brutality in the past.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
55. MOMMY! MOMMY! MOMMY! Look at your son...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:53 PM
Apr 2015

You might have loved me
But now I got a gun
You better stay out of my way
I think I've had a bad day
I've had a bad day
I've had a bad day

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
56. It must be very difficult as a mother to wrap your brain around such a thing
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:10 PM
Apr 2015

I feel badly for her. It's not her fault that he did what he did. In her eyes he is still her little boy.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
57. I understand that.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:03 PM
Apr 2015

Which is why I said it's very common for this sort of thing to happen. Mothers who tell people that her son/daughter is a good man/woman.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
59. not to sound nutty but we hear this all of the time.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

Mother's and occasionally father's are often blind to their children's capacities. I personally am sick of it.

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