CNN: "Walter Scott was shot dead like a runaway slave"

[kpete]

:large

— one could say that Slager shot Scott like a dog. But then again, dogs usually are not treated this badly
--- But the man was shot like a runaway slave.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/08/opinions/love-walter-scott/

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

3. HUH? Not paying child support carries the death penalty now?

ps

the LAST thing that cop cares about is whether the man's family is getting child support or not

the VERY LAST

[ScreamingMeemie]

5. Thank you. I'm not sure if that's what he/she is getting at or if he/she is making a

statement about the current child support laws. It's extremely poorly written.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

8. Whether it was the $5 worth of cigars in Ferguson or child support or selling cigarettes in NYC

there is always a reason why they just had to shoot and kill them black men and kids

they kill black kids too

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. Statement from his account.

Falsely accused of claiming justifiability of Walter Scott murder even though I have been consistently at the head of the line to protest police violence. The stupidity of the mob mentality here is at such an extreme that it is damaging to the public discourse, and those who participated in that false accusation and preventing my response are a problem in general for the Democratic Party, hate filled and alienating everyone who doesnt think exactly as they do. Make no mistake about it - this kind of reactionary, anti-intellectualism is why the Democratic Party got wiped out in 2014 and why it\'s coming again in 2016, and again in 2018, and again ad infinitum until people figure out that you cannot continue to serially and continuously create enemies out of friends and expect to win elections.
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[Iris]

45. It's like something from the onion.

The Democratic party is anti - intellectual?

[zonkers]

16. One thing for sure, his ability to pay child support is greatly diminished.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

19. BINGO, so NO that is the LAST reason the cop shot him...well done making

the ULTIMATE POINT

[Ed Suspicious]

36. DUzy

[onecaliberal]

20. Not to mention, they knew who he was. Police could have gone to his house and picked him up.

[FarPoint]

28. Excellent point!

I believe there needs to be a Standard of Practice for all Law Enforcement... Additionally, have a license to be a LEO like nurses for example.

[Ed Suspicious]

38. I love that idea.

[brush]

47. Yeah, the cop had his license, plus . . .

the cop is 25-years-old and certainly with his academy training, physical fitness and age advantage should be able to chase and subdue the twice as old, 50-year-old man without shooting him in the back.

Duh . . . his name and address are on his license. YOU CAN FIND HIM WITHOUT HAVING TO SHOOT HIM.

Guess chasing and catching an unarmed suspect on foot is out of style in police circles nowadays.

[onecaliberal]

49. That was my thought. Just unbelievable

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. I don't see why that ought to be discussed at some length.

Cops aren't allowed to shoot people dead when they don't pose a threat.


If the child support comment is about having an arrest warrant out, the penalty for that is not death (see above).

If the child support comment is on parents having to pay for the care and raising of their own children, that is how it should be. While I do think some payment judgments make it next to impossible to keep up and the penalties are sometimes (not even close to mostly) heavy, one is not a slave to them when one knowingly has children to support.

I don't know where you stand on the issue, and it really has nothing to do with the OP.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

6. Child support, cigars, etc...same thing

[JTFrog]

7. .

[geek tragedy]

9. You wouldn't be the SeventhSon in a family by any chance, would you? nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. That still irritates the sh#t out of me... As a mod back in the day, I banned that idiot

in his first week. We had a pretty good-sized mod consensus, and someone overturned it in the middle of the night with a long-winded post. (Mods used to be able to do that back in the day, and open it back up for discussion) I still think that mod was a fucking freeper. Anyway he was allowed to think he was being all slick for years, only quite a few of us knew better. What a waste of space that dude was on DU. I still take pride that banned his lame ass by his 6th post. Ugh.

[geek tragedy]

15. Still, for everyone one like him that slipped through the mod system

there are many who game the jury system

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. But that story will always piss me off. seventhson smelled like a Freeper and posted like a Freeper

from the moment he stepped in the door.

[geek tragedy]

17. post was hidden 7-0, probably under "not sure what this means, but it's trolling" nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. Good.

I love 7-0 hides when they're well-earned.

[Omaha Steve]

31. I did some snooping on that jury and paid some people off

Like Forest Gump that is all I'm saying about that.


On Thu Apr 9, 2015, 07:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

specifically...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6482043

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Suggesting that it's okay to kill somebody who is behind on child support is way over the line

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 9, 2015, 07:36 PM, and the Jury voted 7-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: WTF??? Hide it!
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Being a deadbeat dad is not relevant to the story.


Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Pissing on a dead man, eh?
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[geek tragedy]

33. Thx. I interpreted it as equating child support

and slavery.

Which also merits a hide.

Cheers.

[pinboy3niner]

37. Same here

I'd seen his posts against police brutality and killing of unarmed black men, so I took his comment more as an MRA view that was an irrelevant distraction. In any case, the post was unclear and open to more than one interpretation.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

51. I didn't realize one could still change their profile while they were on temporary suspension.

But I don't disagree with the jury results myself.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

41. I think I alerted on Seventhson at least once. Maybe twice.

It wasn't hidden. I eventually just put him on ignore because it was clear the mods weren't going to do anything.

Thanks for your effort to cut him off before he actually got rooted.

[Hekate]

10. Do you care to expand on that? Please proceed...

[99Forever]

23. He won't be saying much.

Seems he'll be taking a timeout.

[Hekate]

24. Good

Based on the posts I've read by him, he seems to have taken a wrong turn to land here.

[99Forever]

26. Perhaps some time to reconsider...

... may give him a new perspective.


(Ya never know.

[mcar]

11. Seriously?

Gee, maybe some of those runaway slaves knocked out an overseer to get away; or stole food to survive on their journey.

Let's be specific, for sure. Any alleged crime deserves the death penalty?

[qwlauren35]

30. Yes, in nearly every case

The murdered man has been a criminal or mentally ill. Is that a reason or justification for murder? For back child support? For drunk driving? For shoplifting? For holding a broomstick or a screwdriver?

If you're looking for reasons to justify killing these men, you'll find them. Just as the cops did. Because they were criminals, because they ran, because they struggled...

So please, just go to gofundme and put in your dollars for Officer Slater. He killed some creep who didn't pay his child support and the world is better off. Except his ex is not going to get anything now... it's hard to pay back child support when you're dead.

[appalachiablue]

2. The resemblance is startling and correct unfortunately. These horrible times..

[alphafemale]

13. An escaped slave would usually not have been killed.

That was valuable property and you could be liable.

Black lives had value.

[OldRedneck]

40. Slaves were VERY valuable

As best can be determined, in 1861, the average value of a slave was $400. Depending on how you calculate it, in today's money, that's $12,000 to $170,000.

My Great-great-grandaddy owned 83 slaves in the Wilkinson County, Mississippi, 1860 federal slave census. At an average value of $400, that's over $33,000 -- that's a LOT of money in 1861.

Here's a good article discussing the worth of a slave.

One point this article makes is the value of a slave was: Value of what his/her work produced MINUS what it cost to support the slave. Because slaves received the bare minimum of food, clothing, housing, and medical care, the costs were minimal. Compared to free labor, slaves produced more because they could be compelled to produce 24/7/365 whereas free labor wants time off.

I think I am correct in saying that beginning in the early 1840's, the most valuable export from Virginia was slaves who were exported to other states, mostly to the deep South.

While it's true slaves were beaten, tortured, and sometimes killed, they generally were kept alive because of their monetary value. A slave owner could use the value of his slaves as collateral for loans to support his plantation, his sons enrolled in Eastern universities, his wife's shopping trips to Europe -- I know -- I have plantation journals from my g-g-granddaddy and from his cousin's sugar plantation in Louisiana.

[Lint Head]

14. In the same State that was first to seceded from the Union that also had a notorious slave market.

I was born and raised there and the old guard and their children still pine for the idea of the plantation. It's a sickness that is dying a long and hard death even after 150 years.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

22. Yes, the day Obama was elected the pro slave party was born, TeaParTY

[Lint Head]

25. I think they shold be called the Slavery Party. They are mostly Liberterians which is a John Bircher

concept.

[Blue_Tires]

27. Runaway slaves were usually captured and returned

They were not only valuable to their owners, there was a reward for the bounty hunters...

[GusBob]

32. Where do you suggest he be returned?

It's a metaphor. Think about it

[Blue_Tires]

42. I'm just saying the metaphor could at least be historically accurate

but semantics aside, I appreciate the CNN guy's point...

[GusBob]

43. It is historically accurate

Think harder

[cwydro]

44. Blue Tires

knows what he is talking about.

You might want to back off a bit.

[Blue_Tires]

50. I'm host of the African-American group...

Perhaps you could kindly explain it to me...

Please give me today's lesson in Black History...

[Rex]

52. To his family? Free and unhurt. The analogy is a good one, but faulty.

In that one way.

[zentrum]

48. That's not the point

Besides, I suggest there was a "bounty" on this man's head. But by another name. Broken tail light—$200? More?
No insurance—God knows how much. $500?

You know what I mean—those fees that were discovered to be an economic cash cow for Ferguson, charged for minor violations on mostly Black residents. There were multiple warrants out on the majority of Ferguson's Black people.

Can't pay the "bounty"?——then go to jail. (Back into chains.)

And that murdering cop was definitely a hunter and a "bounty hunter" at that.

It is the twenty first century version of slavery.

[libodem]

39. Man's inhumanity to Man

Heartbreaking

[zentrum]

46. Using the

….tail light excuse for stopping him seems like one of those Ferguson type ploys where Black people get shaken down by a corrupt court system for exorbitant fees.

There has to be an investigation by the DOJ of this police department as well. We know the same pattern of poor-tax abuse will exist. 'Cause this isn't just about the murdering cop who felt free to behave this way. It's about the Jim Crow that never went away.

[MysticHuman]

53. As powerful a statement as I have ever heard.....

The truth hurts sometimes... and this truth hits you hard.

RIP Walter Scott.... may your death be a turning point in the awareness of our countries consciousness.