Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:32 AM Apr 2015

Dear Obama: Here's Why Jamaica's LGBT Community Needs Your Help

A queer Jamaican living in the U.S. explains what's at stake for one of the world's most dangerous countries for LGBT people.

When people ask where I’m from, I hesitate. I’m from Jamaica, born there and raised in the way of immigrants in the West—in a cocoon of familiarity, communities that emulate “home.” Now, I live in the United States, and often feel like an unwanted “other”—a legal immigrant who literally faces deportation in the next four months. The words “home” and “origin” have lost meaning to me. I am a 28-year-old pansexual Jamaican immigrant. So "home" cannot be the country that would turn a blind eye if I were murdered in broad daylight for loving whom I love, and it cannot be the country that may send me back there anyway. All of this is top of mind, mainly because President Obama is on the way to Jamaica. The main reason for his visit is, of course, business. But there are some key issues President Obama should deal with—mainly, Jamaica's treatment of its lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people.

--snip---

Last year, I was forced out of the closet, my secret clutched tightly in my mother’s balled, railing fists as she screamed, “It’s better you died than be this way.” This is a part of “coming out” in America—especially for West Indians.

This is what it means to be Jamaican and queer: exiled and banished, scattered in former colonial countries that created the homophobic laws that threaten our lives back “home"—wherever that is. It means being an unwelcomed “other” in American and Jamaican spaces. I want to make a life in the U.S. because this is the only home I've ever really known. Every four years, as the presidential election season hits, I'm reminded—by politicians' rhetoric—that I am not truly welcome in America. My immigration status is constantly in flux—yes, I'm a legal resident and get to work here. But every couple of years, the U.S. government determines how long I can stay—and can decide, with little notice, that I should leave. The government hasn't decided what to do with immigrants who came to this country as children. It's complicated.

---snip---

Whenever another gory story of public torture or murder of an LGBT person surfaces from Jamaica, I’m reminded why I can’t go back. A feminine man has been publicly stoned to death. A transgender teen was murdered by a mob. Throngs of people regularly shout, “Kill the batty boy,” a reference to gay or bisexual men. It’s hard to forget that between 2009 and 2012, a Jamaican LGBT group, J-FLAG, documented nearly 230 antigay attacks in a country that criminalizes sex between men. Last year, Human Rights Watch published a report that documented the extraordinary discrimination LGBT Jamaicans face, even from government institutions. More than half of those surveyed by Human Rights Watch said they had been victims of some form of discrimination because of their gender or sexual identity. Rarely did they report these crimes to authorities—partly because of how gayness is viewed in Jamaican society. Yet, there is progress: Just a few years ago, Kingston, the capital, hosted Jamaica’s first gay pride parade.

more...

JI7

47 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Dear Obama: Here's Why Jamaica's LGBT Community Needs Your Help (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 OP
Just awful Aerows Apr 2015 #1
K&R! Mahalo BtA~ Cha Apr 2015 #2
Thanks. Seems more were interested in his attend the Bob Marley museum. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #3
Maybe you should listen to Obama's comments at the town hall malaise Apr 2015 #5
How unexpected. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #6
Is there a link of his comments? zappaman Apr 2015 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #12
per the response's report H2O Man Apr 2015 #15
Juror #2 got it right. zappaman Apr 2015 #27
Is the pukey thing because of the president's one_voice Apr 2015 #17
Can't speak for malaise. PBO's comments in a video supported human rights were cheered by students freshwest Apr 2015 #40
Recently the poster in the OP started a thread about a gay Jamaican being killed malaise Apr 2015 #43
.... Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #44
Why the puke icon, malaise? freshwest Apr 2015 #20
Well, he had admitted to *inhaling* in his youth... freshwest Apr 2015 #21
LOL! Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #24
Jamaica is horrific for gay people... joeybee12 Apr 2015 #4
Obama addresses that and says will shame countries claiming human rights violations are okay. freshwest Apr 2015 #23
Lol some reporter is getting nailed for addressing him "Obama" no title GusBob Apr 2015 #8
A typical distraction. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #13
Bwana one_voice Apr 2015 #19
Amazing that anyone can deny that Jamaica zappaman Apr 2015 #10
Makes one want to puke. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author H2O Man Apr 2015 #14
Anyone who doesn't think gay rights are civil rights is kidding themselves. Initech Apr 2015 #16
Oh man that is so sad... one_voice Apr 2015 #18
Dear behind the Aegis! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #22
The students applauded when he brought it up, they are the new generation and future leaders. freshwest Apr 2015 #25
Ok akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #28
Yes, I do think it will make a difference. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #26
Sorry, you lost me, I cannot even figure out akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #29
I answered your questions. It wasn't that confusing. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #30
Am sorry! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #31
I do. GLBT are less fortunate in many places, including the US> Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #33
Thanks for the clarification. We are all akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #33
We have to stand together or we all fall individually. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #36
No, I did not, but this President cannot solve all the world's problems! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #37
I am not saying he can solve all the world's problems; that would be absurd and unfair to him. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #38
Am sorry, it was a DU glitch and I deleted the two other messages! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #39
You aren't responsible for the glitch. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #41
Sounds good to me. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #42
FFS you attacked Obama before watching his comments at the Town Hall malaise Apr 2015 #45
I didn't attack Obama. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #46
I'm proud that you've chosen to make your home madokie Apr 2015 #47

Response to malaise (Reply #5)

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
15. per the response's report
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:29 PM
Apr 2015

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:09 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That person needs to move out of the brat mode.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jamaica IS filled with homophobic bigots
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What is wrong with you? Malaise doesn't deserve your rage. You don't think he knows it is President Obama? Many of us use the President's last name in our replies. I guess you yell and scream at all the reporters who do the same thing. I am stunned at your reply to Malaise's post. Easy hide for me. I am stunned by this alert. Thank you for alerting this well deserved hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The comment about Jamaica being nothing is rather out of line (although the observation about homophobia in Jamaica is not). Out of line, though, does not equal over-the-top, and the "that's President Obama to you" comment (while rather silly) doesn't remotely approach the level of a hide.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No more benefit of the doubt. Tired of the nastiness and personal attacks.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Believe me, I have seen this posters true colors and think he is a rotten person, but see nothing hide-worthy. Sorry, as I know he and his friends would hide a post just because of the poster, not the post.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
17. Is the pukey thing because of the president's
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:37 PM
Apr 2015

comments? I'm a little confused...

Do you have a link?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. Can't speak for malaise. PBO's comments in a video supported human rights were cheered by students
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:30 AM
Apr 2015
at the university in Kingston.

Malaise may clarify what the puke icon meant tomorrow.

Too bad this thread hasn't gotten more recs and attention.

malaise

(269,114 posts)
43. Recently the poster in the OP started a thread about a gay Jamaican being killed
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:54 AM
Apr 2015

He went on to say that the video had been taken down at Youtube.
I responded that it did not happen because it would have been major news here, all 'the experts' who know very little about this island attacked me. Not one of them could produce a link other than the source from where the video was taken down.

Did it happen ages ago - possibly because I know about so.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
4. Jamaica is horrific for gay people...
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:20 PM
Apr 2015

And why politicians here don't speak out against it when they do about other countries is perplexing.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. Obama addresses that and says will shame countries claiming human rights violations are okay.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:37 AM
Apr 2015

He also spoke to our own issues. The students seemed positive in respect human rights by the applause.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
8. Lol some reporter is getting nailed for addressing him "Obama" no title
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:43 PM
Apr 2015

The usual address is " Dear Mr Obama" at least

How far respect for him has fallen, thanks right wing

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #9)

Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)

Initech

(100,093 posts)
16. Anyone who doesn't think gay rights are civil rights is kidding themselves.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:33 PM
Apr 2015

It's a long battle but it will be won. And it's not just America - the rights of LGBT citizens around the globe are at stake.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
18. Oh man that is so sad...
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:43 PM
Apr 2015

I had no idea Jamaica had such a problem with homophobia.

I can't wrap my head around such things.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
22. Dear behind the Aegis!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:37 AM
Apr 2015

Do you really think that President Obama making a statement about the Gay community in Jamaica is going to make a difference?

Jamaica is one of the most intolerant country that abhors Gays, nothing that this President of the US can deter how Jamaicans are. They even killed a university professor!

Just today, I saw that your President is asking for no theraphies to convert gay people! That was bold of President Obama, but you do think anyone is going to listen to him!

For me, the world changed when President Obama was elected and it just goes to show how much some people hate him and whilst they hate him, more people love him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. The students applauded when he brought it up, they are the new generation and future leaders.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:40 AM
Apr 2015

Just sayin'

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
26. Yes, I do think it will make a difference.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:42 AM
Apr 2015

I am guessing the lesbian from Jamaica who wrote the piece also thinks so. Apparently, he felt it might make a difference, too.

I also saw he made comments about gay conversion therapy and I applauded him for it. It DOES make a difference. He is one of the most powerful men in the world and his opinion does matter.

Asking him to broach the subject of GLBT issues in foreign nations he is visiting is not equivalent to hating him.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
29. Sorry, you lost me, I cannot even figure out
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:51 AM
Apr 2015

what you are trying to say! I had already responded to you.

Goodbye

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
31. Am sorry!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:55 AM
Apr 2015

Do not want to make adversaries on here! My apologies. I just want to converse with like minded people who are Democratic inclinded and who really care for people who are less fortunate.

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
32. I do. GLBT are less fortunate in many places, including the US>
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:59 AM
Apr 2015

That is why the author wrote what she did, and why I reposted it from the LGBT group.

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #32)

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #32)

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
33. Thanks for the clarification. We are all
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:08 AM
Apr 2015

one people and I have no idea why discrimation is so rampant to race, gender. We are whom we are and we need to accept us. To be honest, I embrace everyone but you as I know, some people feel that they are superior and at times we take second place, but we have to stand up and say, no more, but that will take a long time! I am not even sure how we can achieve equality if our leaders do not support us. In your wildest dreams, do you think our PM Harper is for poor people, hell no!

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
37. No, I did not, but this President cannot solve all the world's problems!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:16 AM
Apr 2015

I ache for him, nothing he does pleases anyone and am glad his term is coming to an end!

You know what, he did the best he could for Americans and he is still a fucking Kenyan (cliche).

Hope America thrives under hilary clinton!

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
38. I am not saying he can solve all the world's problems; that would be absurd and unfair to him.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:22 AM
Apr 2015

He has done some really good things, including speaking out against anti-GLBT discrimination, among many other things. Why do you seem to think this post about concerns for GLBT concerns is "hating on" the president? I really don't understand that conclusion.

BTW, the "DU glitch" was a reference to your "posting" the exact same thing three times. Sometimes, the system hangs, and if you are in the middle of posting something, it posts multiple times; which is why the posts all were listed as #33. That was the 'glitch.'

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
39. Am sorry, it was a DU glitch and I deleted the two other messages!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:26 AM
Apr 2015

I do not want to argue with you! Am not American and I defer to your intelligence!

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
41. You aren't responsible for the glitch.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:36 AM
Apr 2015

Why are your posts so hostile and passive aggressive? The rights are of GLBT are important and deserve attention, including from the president, which he has shown in word and deed. Why do you keep on insisting on claiming things that I nor the author, (which I am not as I am neither Jamaican nor a lesbian) are claiming? Do you not feel the rights of GLBT people are worthy of discussion?

Behind the Aegis

(53,967 posts)
46. I didn't attack Obama.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:02 AM
Apr 2015
on your misrepresentation of this thread and the other one. My comment was based on a post by another poster about his visiting a museum and how that garnered more interest than this topic.
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Dear Obama: Here's Why Ja...