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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen will a Hillary Operative show up on DU?
I look forward to the day (soon?) when the Clinton campaign assigns one or more people to post on DU.
I wonder if they will come right out and state their intentions and who pays them? I, for one, will be happy if they are honest and open.
Let the debates begin!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)They've already fucking arrived and in action.
Well, everything but the "state their intentions" and the "honest and open" part.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)But I feel their presence.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Response to tularetom (Reply #4)
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)That is why anyone who post critics towards Hillary get his/her thread polluted and destroyed as soon as its online.
That happens because a it turns out most of the party support her, and a lot of those people are sick of seeing right wing meme posted as accurate news stories.
When even a non-Hillary supporter feels they need to "defend her" in thread after thread it gets ridiculous.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Hekate
(90,769 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Especially when it copes to dinastyes such as Bishes and Clintons.
The only current dinasty we have in politics currently is... the LePens. We had before decades ago in the center right. But they never took over a whole party like the LePens
Hekate
(90,769 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They aren't worth being paid. I would think an operative would be someone who was skilled at debate and getting people to like Hillary... I haven't seen that. Have you?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Their tactics include"
-Accusations of right wing trollism
-Accusations of sexism
-Insistence on "inevitabilty' as a reason to support Clinton.
-Name calling and ad hominem attacks ("Hillary haters"
-Incredible leaps of logic used to justify past questionable actions like her vote for the IWR
No, they aren't persuasive nor do they appear to be skilled debaters.
But they are fucking persistent, I'll give them that.
Marr
(20,317 posts)They used pretty much the same approach in 2008. I don't think they do their candidate any favors, but hey-- I probably run into 20 people every day who suck at their jobs.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,021 posts)Yeesh
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)"I just know they're here."
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)some people act like its their mission to do nothing but promote her and pooh-pooh the possibility of any competing candidate entering the race
elleng
(131,063 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)but the Hillary group absolutely does not tolerate dissent, and elsewhere across DU they treat those who doubt the Perfection of Hillary as scum.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Read the sop.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and when the supporters are elsewhere on DU they are shocked that not everyone worships Hillary Clinton and believes she's the best of all possible Presidential candidates. A room for supporters is just fine, but the unwillingness to listen to any counter opinions is disturbing.
Let me compare that to the Gun forums. I frequently post my strong opposition to guns, and I am not banned there. What a difference.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Her supporters promise not to post there.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Clinton supporters already post in both the Elizabeth Warren and Populist Reform Groups and don't respect the SOP.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Do you support the host banning them?
onenote
(42,737 posts)Kind of rebuts your point.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The fact is there are rules to the site and we as hosts enfirce them.
We are a small safe haven and there is not reason for those who dislike Clinton to break the rules and violate ththe safe haven.
sheshe2
(83,848 posts)As a Bog member and host, let me say, you are going to be soooooo trashed. They say to hell with the SOP. You are an echo chamber.
Same words, different groups. Hold on to your hat justin, you are in for a ride. She throws her hat in, I will be there with you. We will go down in the history of DU as two of the most hated groups at DU. We will surpass HoF and AA.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cause issue for me but I will get through it.
I have several friends on DU that vehemently disagree with me but we look past the issue.
We will move beyond this.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Then she is not doing her job
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Please Sid, don't ever leave DU.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:42 AM - Edit history (1)
(That is, if you consider to be "well-reasoned debate"
Response to RobertEarl (Reply #23)
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freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)over and over, don't know how much they are paid, I work for Hillary for free.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)for free to get Hillary elected, we need her.
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)She has my vote if she is the nominee.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I know I have my bad moments and a few here are having theirs.
I guess it is a sign of fruetration on their pwrt.
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)I always thought this was just one of those tongue in cheek remarks. Does the OP really think this happens here?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Not yet are there any paid Hillary operatives on DU. Paid operatives would be influential in a nice way. I look forward to seeing professionals.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Thinkaboutit, You should pay me, I am good, eh? <grin>
Seriously, I look forward to professionals coming to DU and debating in real terms and not the amateur schtick we've been dealing with.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)As long as the truth can sneak past the cognitive dissonance.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If my job was to promote nuclear energy, I would absolutely pay poster to act anti-nuke and make fools of themselves. I imagine a certain person would be my highest paid poster.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You dare not enter a thread where I do openly discuss nuclear power, eh?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)At all. I dare to do a lot of things. Nothing on du rises to the level of needing a dare. Very interesting persona to think so. I have read and replied in some of your NE threads. So your dare has been met without needed to be dared.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)*disclaimer: this is with regard to any candidate before someone gets upset with me for not being a fan of Ms. Clinton.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jobycom
(49,038 posts)There were a lot of anti-Clinton shills who would pop in here to set the message for whatever story was popular back then. I remember one such story about flag burning. Drudge reported Clinton was trying to pass a law against flag burning, and the shills came here and started that whole "I can't believe Hillary is supporting a ban on flag burning ARGHHH!!!!11" outrage. By the time people had read the story and gathered the facts, the story had already been set in people's minds as "Clinton is so eager for Republican support that she is joining them on flag burning!" (I suspect there are people around here who still believe that). Obama and Edwards got the same treatment, but not as badly as Clinton because they weren't on top of the polls as long. (This is one argument for not being the front-runner going into an election).
So I have no doubt Clinton's staff will do like other campaigns' staffs and try to seed the arguments and get their points out before others define them. Same as any challenger to Clinton will do, same as the Republicans will do, etc. It's just how politics works. It's not that they are paying shills specifically to argue on DU. It's that they all have an orchestrated effort to control and spread their message, and that effort includes having paid staff who, amongst other jobs, uses the message boards.
They also send faxes and emails to news agencies, spread whisper campaigns among community organizations like churches or activist groups, and do just about everything above or below board that they can think of. Basically, if you know something about a campaign, what you know got to you because of a paid effort by the campaign or the campaign's challengers.
So, the OP seems to be accusing only Clinton, but whoever you support or oppose, they will have someone here.
delrem
(9,688 posts)The money is being spent now.
We all know that. It isn't a secret.
This will be an interesting election.
Granting the anointment of HRC to the leadership of the Democratic Party going into the 2016 election, I expect the Republican Party to run to her left. That'll be easy to do, everywhere except in the absolute tea-party Palinesque fundamentalist territory, which is the Republican Party's most assured voting base anyway.
So I hope the Democratic Party doesn't do that. I don't want to see the Democratic Party routed, especially for that reason.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Wants to run. I can see why many would never run with the treatment given to candidates.
LuvLoogie
(7,021 posts)NBachers
(17,133 posts)The Vince Foster cell will continue with Operation Whitewater. Comrade Clinton will issue new directives at beginning of next lunar phase from her bunker under the Mena Airfield. Money has been wired to the clandestine accounts.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)We have to keep a low profile! Don't fall for anything that looks mainstream. She is accused by the RWNJs of being a fringe left winger who will continue all of Obama's policies! Oh, goodie!
NBachers
(17,133 posts)They'll never guess we're steering them our way with our velvety ünter-prop.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)Rose Law Firm cell brings important dossier
NBachers
(17,133 posts)Hekate
(90,769 posts)But dossiers she definitely has. It's just that you have to pry them from her tightly clenched fingers.
NBachers
(17,133 posts)Hekate
(90,769 posts)....and then we'll take over DU. It will be ours, all ours, and daily Clinton-worship will be mandatory.
Oh hush -- did I say too much?
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)I doubt she'd waste the time or money to concern herself with DU.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)There's a whole lot of vastly over inflated egos on this site.
TerrapinFlyer
(277 posts)The more posts they have, the bigger the ego.
I have to wonder why ANYONE would have over 50,000 posts on ANY forum.. even over a 10 year period.
And for transparency, I have been reading DU since... well before the Tea Party ever existed... but never signed up to make posts, just browsed. But I have been an active Democrat locally. I always thought DU represented a great progressive point of view, but whenever primaries come along, it turns into a cesspool of name calling -- that achieves nothing for our Dem Party.
Frances
(8,546 posts)to post comments against Clinton?
I have been posting on this board since the board's earliest days and I support Hillary. I do NOT get paid.
After Obama won the nomination, I worked hard for him in 2008 and 2012
But that's because I am a good Democrat.
And I think Republicans are a disaster.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)What an odd OP.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Here to make Hillary look bad, and alienate folks from supporting Hillary. Then there are those who do so accidentally.
As stated in the OP, I look forward to a real paid Hillary poster because then that person can go back to the campaign HQ and let them know how the people are reacting to the campaign. I doubt they even think of us these days.
FSogol
(45,514 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)She needs at least another few million dollars from wall street/MIC before it trickles down to you
mahina
(17,692 posts)And if that happens, I will work my tail off for her. I will be tail-free.
But till that happens, I'm for O'Malley.
And while I'm here, what's the dif between a supporter and an 'operative'? Isn't there a more cloak and dagger-y name for a volunteer that we could use?
Aparatchik? Or in this case, aparatchick?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)brooklynite
(94,684 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think any modern campaign has to be VERY in tune with what's going on in the intertubes. If she doesn;t care about what's happenig here, she SHOULD.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Alan Grayson comes to mind. DU's finger is miles away from the pulse of the Democratic Party. Pols would be better off posting on reddit or facebook than on DU.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Will any Hillary supporter be labeled as an "operative?"
Sometimes Democrats are our own worst enemies.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You can see their horns.
SARCASM
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)The marriage, a fascist state, where the population is obliged to do as the corporations wish, coming to a neighborhood near you
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Why else would they support her?
Remind me, is this a Democratic site or not? FYI, there are millions of Hillary supporters in the real world. Why would her campaign waste money paying anyone to post here? DU is not that important.
Nice divisive post.....
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)That question is just as silly as the one in the OP.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The campaigns would be wise to have professionals posting and reading DU and informing the campaigns about what it is we are thinking.
I see above a poster deriding DU and all I can figure is that poster is not too wise?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)they will BeFree.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but baseless accusations are not to be confused with actual proof. Facts should compete with facts. I am not a supporter of HRC, but if she best represents my position in the election she will have my vote. As would whomever else the Democratic party decides on.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)This is part of an ongoing effort to target the internal enemy he started a few weeks ago: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6347091
If he actually wanted to debate a particular point, he would raise an issue, any issue. Instead, we see that the enemy is not capital, the 1 percent, Wall Street, but rather ordinary Democratic voters. Here you have a political worldview based entirely on seething resentment toward one woman, an undeclared presidential candidate. Anyone whose identity is not build around opposition to Hillary Clinton is thus the enemy, needs to be rooted out, banished, exposed. People can't simply disagree. They must be paid to do so because there is no legitimate thought that diverges from his.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that the poster is being compensated to attack HRC would be equally valid?
In "defense" of the posts, it is much easier to engage in character assassination than real, issue-specific debate. Much better by far to discuss who is the most authentic "true" Democrat rather than work toward solutions.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)Things are getting ugly around here, and for what?
great white snark
(2,646 posts)Leave the bubble..the air is clearer out there.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)I'll take a Clinton operative over a Republican any day, or so-called liberals who post GOP talking points and are indistinguishable from Republicans. But that's just me, being a Democrat and all, I tend to be biased in favor of Democrats, which is why I signed up for a site called Democratic Underground.
It would be nice to see people stand for something, advocating for something, anything, other than defeating a single Democratic candidate. When that is all they post about, it becomes pretty clear that is all they care about.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)We already have enough right wing operatives and libertarians, so I agree with you since this is a board for Democrats to discuss things, I don't see anything wrong with having some Democratic operatives here also!
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)who hjave concerns about Hillary do not ape right wing points, but have concerns about how much she actually will listen to the left. Again, I will repeat the loyalty oath to vote for whoever the D party nominates, but do you expect people NOT to try to inflence Hillary to bend left? Or are we just the servants who cook the food and take out the trash?
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)or at least FOR someone. Thus far, the posts have been all about projecting the ills of capitalism and American politics onto Hillary Clinton. It is largely projection. Part of the problem is that we don't actually have any candidates yet, so we don't even see anything as rational as I prefer A because of x, y and z. I personally don't see why fantasy presidential elections need to go on years in advance of any actual elections but the fact is too many seem to care about nothing else. They rail against corporate media but advance a view of politics entirely shaped by that media. I wish people actually cared about something--some issue or cause--and argued about that. Instead, we see inane arguments about what people imagine Clinton or someone else to represent, notions that often times are not borne out by actual positions she has taken.
To say you want to move Clinton to the left doesn't say much to me because people have such different ideas of what that means. I see a lot of people here who I see as fairly conservative proclaim themselves to be "the left" and then insult anyone who disagrees with them as Third way. If people wanted to effect policy on a particular area, they could use this space to organize around that. But accusing people of being corporatist or claiming themselves more leftist doesn't amount to much of anything.
Then there is the fact that what you or I write here has exactly zero influence on Clinton or anyone else in the party. There does seem to be some influence on the membership here, who increasing aggregate around the group think, but you shouldn't imagine that it actually amounts to anything other than arguing with one another here.
So absent actual candidates or debates on issues, people project onto Clinton a set of notions consolidated through group think. It amounts to a whole lot of noise. It doesn't really matter what I think or say about it. It's going to go on, and the only potential impact will be to convince some of the members here that voting is pointless, or they will vote Third Party and a few may even vote Republican. I suspect the numbers aren't large enough to have an impact on the outcome of the election.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)The OP is intentionally divisive and attempts to create an atmosphere of distrust among all posters here.
It's one thing to not want Hillary as nominee, it's another to insult and belittle her supporters by calling them "operatives".
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)`Just shy of McCarthyism? Bwahahahaha
One reason I long for a paid operative is so that person can stop some here from making such stupid accusations as yours.
And you even made an OP of the derangement. Bwahahahah
Please, Hillary, I beg you, send someone to DU to keep your supporters from making you look bad.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,136 posts)I get an EBT card for every pro-Hillary post. If I get enough of them I'm going to take a Caribbean cruise.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Top to bottom.
Q. When are the reich wing shills going to leave DU?
A. 1 minute after we have chosen the official democratic candidate, I trust.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)at least on an unofficial basis.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We need a counter movement to the group currently posing as progressives attacking from the left. I have often wondered if you are paid by the nuclear power industry.
Jurors please note, there are a number of posts to the op stating the exact same thing I did, only stating they are Clinton operatives that are already here. I do understand the ignorance involved in making my comment and the comments they are making. If tit is going to be allowed without problem, so should tat.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I already got thrown out of the Hillary hugbox for decrying it as such. But I'll wear that ban with pride, because echo chambers are pitiful.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)OP strikes me as nothing but grandiose paranoia. (They're going to come here to influence is because DU is so important to elections!)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Or a Bernie Sanders operative.
Oh, wait.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)It's the fancy font and all the new emoticons isn't it? 😛
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)for GODS sake will someone pay me. someone? anyone?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)the Democratic party, are paid by the Hillary campaign? This OP should be hidden!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or should I say, Hillary-larious?
brooklynite
(94,684 posts)...and is often completely at odds with it.
Why on earth would any campaign waste resources trying to influence opinions here?
libpride_15
(32 posts)Some inevitably will go Nader on the left, trying to ruin it for all
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)It is a two way street I believe.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I thought I was pretty clear that I feel there are no paid Hillary campaign 'Operatives' on DU.
To clarify, I doubt there are any paid campaign 'Operatives' on DU. Mainly because there are no campaigns as of this date.
Can't we all just be friends and sign this loyalty oath?