Where was the inevitable follow up question?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Chuck Todd asked Governor Jindal if a caterer or baker could refuse to cater or bake a cake for a same sex wedding celebration and Jindal said if the caterer or baker's religion prohibited him or her from participating in a same sex wedding he or she could.

The follow up question should have been can the caterer or baker refuse to participate in a wedding celebration for two liars. fornicators, divorcees, blashphemers, and idolaters because the Bible proscribes those activities also.

I had a good friend who was a United Church Of Christ minister. She put this on the marque at her church:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither gay nor straight, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

[Marr]

1. Your follow-up would back Jindal's position-- not to mention equating homosexuality with sin.

Business owners aren't required by law to service everyone. They're prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. The Bible proscribes a host of behaviors . Jindal suggested a person can rely on the Bible...

The Bible proscribes a host of behaviors , depending on one's interpretation. Jindal suggested a person can rely on the Bible and his or her First Amendment right to freedom of religion to oppose just one.

That's the flaw in his balancing act between religious freedom and the right to be free from discrimination.

We already have a documented instance of a Georgia florist who said she would make an arrangement for a adulterer but not a gay because she believes being gay is worse.


The overarching point is that some folks are using a cafeteria approach to the Bible to support their bigotry, just as they did in their opposition to civil rights.

[Marr]

11. I see what you mean.

And yeah, it is telling that they're so interested in one sort of bible-proscribed behavior, but not others. You would think they would refuse to serve anyone who is not having their first wedding, unless they are a widow/widower. But there you go.

As I understand it, the standard here is that your 'religious freedom' stops at the point of running afoul of discrimination laws; ie, discriminating on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. There's nothing preventing a business owner from refusing to serve people they consider assholes (for whatever reason), or insufficiently shirted-and-shod, for instance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. This debate has a lot of layers

As you know sexual identity is not a protected class at the federal level and in many states, including Jindal's state of Louisiana, it is not a protected class so the glbtq community in Louisiana has no effective protection from discrimination.

Jindal is suggesting that there needs to be a balance between folks following their religious principles and other folks, in this instance, glbtq folks being free from discrimination.

To be consistent there should be a variation of the conscientious objector law that it is not enough to oppose the war you are being conscripted into but to oppose all war. I had a high school teacher I really liked who was C O during the Viet Nam War....He was asked if he would have fought against the NAZIS and he said no, his opposition was to participate in war for any purpose. I could never go that far and thus would have been deemed ineligible for conscientious objector status.

It seems some folks are using their religion as a cloak for bigotry as the list of Biblically proscribed behavior , according to the interpretation of some is really, really...long, and they are choosing to hold out one behavior for censure while ignoring a lot of others.

[valerief]

2. Bwahahaha! Follow-up. Bwahahaha! Chuck Todd to Bobby Jindal.

Oh, you're killing me!

[rickford66]

4. Could a Muslim discriminate against a Hindu or vice versa?

Obvious questions. MSM stares into the headlights.

[BlueCaliDem]

5. LOVE your minister friend, DSB. She embodies the true message of Christ in that marque.

This was how I was raised and it's how I've raised my children. No matter who you are, we are all one in Christ.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. She has been marrying same sex couples for several years.

We used to have the coolest discussions about abortion, homosexuality, salvation, et cetera.

[Cryptoad]

7. ,,,, and why is Bibi

on every weekend....... geeez

[calimary]

9. Maybe bill kristol was too busy?

[Richard D]

8. I would never consider catering a wedding . . .

if the bride, bridegroom, maids of honor, etc. were wearing clothing that was made of cloth with two different materials in it.

[calimary]

10. And they damn well better not serve pork. OR watch football after dinner.

Remember what Leviticus says about touching pigskin!

And to a buyer from WHICH bordering country am I supposed to sell my daughter? Canada or Mexico?

[2naSalit]

12. So...

Just WHICH religions actually forbid participation in a celebration of marriage?

I think people are too accustomed to being led around by the nose rather than finding out real truth on their own.

[zeemike]

13. Well if they refused services to all those different sinners they would sell no cakes.

Better to just single out one to make people think you have a point...no need to fuck with the money...the love of which is the root of all good...I think Saint Ayn said that.