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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:20 AM Apr 2015

Felons barred from constructing Apple’s campus

Dick move, Apple.

Apple is known for being secretive and picky about who works on its popular devices, but now, union officials say, that thinking also applies to the construction workers pouring the concrete for the tech giant’s new offices.

Several construction workers who were hired to build the exterior of Apple’s new campus in Cupertino were ordered to leave the site in January due to prior felony convictions, several union officials and workers told The Chronicle. The ban is unusual for construction work, a field in which employers typically do not perform criminal background checks.

“Apple is always nervous about preserving its proprietary information, and yet I don’t know how this would affect that concern,” said Michael Theriault, president of Iron Workers Local Union 377. “Our folks put the wire in the reinforcing bar (of the building). It makes no sense to me.”

For work on the Apple site, anyone with a felony conviction or facing felony charges “does not meet owner standards,” according to documents from construction companies acquired by The Chronicle.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Felons-barred-from-constructing-Apple-s-campus-6178429.php
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Felons barred from constructing Apple’s campus (Original Post) phantom power Apr 2015 OP
If you bar people with felony convictions from earning an honest living, what's left? nt Xipe Totec Apr 2015 #1
Exactly treestar Apr 2015 #7
Fuck apple Egnever Apr 2015 #2
I was convicted of a felony once. Sentenced to 3 years. stone space Apr 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Apr 2015 #4
Thank Jobs it's no big deal. Whew, that was a close one! tridim Apr 2015 #6
“does not meet owner standards,” Cal Carpenter Apr 2015 #9
From the linked article: procon Apr 2015 #10
So they bar people who haven't LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #12
Pending unresolved charges is an in-between area Jim Lane Apr 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Apr 2015 #15
Given the magnitude of errors in our unjust penal system, procon Apr 2015 #5
Way to take a stand, Apple. Brickbat Apr 2015 #8
Why isn't Apple a felon because of tax evasion? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #11
My guess would be that they have broken no laws (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #17
sad. give ex cons a chance Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #13
Growing pot plants in your closet tabasco Apr 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Apr 2015 #16
Check your source. procon Apr 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Apr 2015 #20
Yes, the Chronicle sited a named source. procon Apr 2015 #21
And goodbye... nt onehandle Apr 2015 #22

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. Exactly
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:53 AM
Apr 2015

That's my argument about voting too. Let people out of jail and still exclude them, and you have a recipe for recidivism.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
2. Fuck apple
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:25 AM
Apr 2015

I am not sure I could despise a company any more. Robbing people isn't enough for this shitty company. Steve Jobs was a dick and his company carries that tradition forward proudly.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
3. I was convicted of a felony once. Sentenced to 3 years.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:29 AM
Apr 2015

It was a Bench Trial, and the conviction was overturned in a Jury Trial and replaced with a Misdemeanor.

Not sure if Apple would have me or not.

Response to phantom power (Original post)

tridim

(45,358 posts)
6. Thank Jobs it's no big deal. Whew, that was a close one!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:52 AM
Apr 2015

Apple can do no wrong. Apple can do no wrong. Apple can do no wrong.

Ever.

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. From the linked article:
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

"Apple’s prohibition against employment of former felons or those with a pending felony charge..."

Apple may not employ them directly, but it looks like this is a contract condition that obligates the construction companies to comply with Apple's policy:
"For work on the Apple site, anyone with a felony conviction or facing felony charges “does not meet owner standards,” according to documents from construction companies acquired by The Chronicle."

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
12. So they bar people who haven't
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
Apr 2015

even been convicted? The government charges them and they're automatically disqualified? If that isn't illegal, it should be. Fuck that company.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Pending unresolved charges is an in-between area
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:12 PM
Apr 2015

You can react with outrage to this case. Let some NFL player be charged with domestic violence, though, or a police officer be charged with misconduct in the death of an unarmed black man, and DU will be filled with calls for him to be suspended or even fired, without waiting for the formality of a conviction.

Should a day care center be allowed to refuse to hire someone who's been convicted of child molestation? Obviously. What about someone who's been indicted for child molestation but hasn't yet been tried? If I were running the center, I'd reject that applicant, too.

Of course, that's a far cry from saying that no one is fit to do ironwork at an Apple building if he or she has been accused of growing pot at home.

Response to procon (Reply #10)

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. Given the magnitude of errors in our unjust penal system,
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

a decision like this is unnecessarily cruel and punitive. Like states who deny voting rights to ex cons, the only purpose for denying them work is to single out and continue to punish people who have already paid the high price of losing their freedom as a consequence of their crimes and served their so-called 'debt to society'.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. Why isn't Apple a felon because of tax evasion?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:58 PM
Apr 2015

Oh yeah, I forgot, too big to pay. (And I use Apple products because Microsoft blows.)

Response to phantom power (Original post)

procon

(15,805 posts)
19. Check your source.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 05:17 PM
Apr 2015

It appears to just be someone's personal website offering nothing but a C&P list without named sources, citations or other verifiable links.

In comparison, the well respected San Francisco Chronicle says they have acquired the documents from the construction companies. I find no objective reason to disbelieve a news article from one of the largest and most prominent newspapers in the west with their slew a pulitzer awards.

Response to procon (Reply #19)

procon

(15,805 posts)
21. Yes, the Chronicle sited a named source.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 05:36 PM
Apr 2015

Yes, the very same C&P alphabetical list does appear on many similar small websites, also without any source. Was that your point?

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