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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:24 PM Apr 2015

What crazy, rotten, no good for nothing country sold nuclear technology to Iran in the first place?

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:30 PM - Edit history (9)

"Under the Shah, Iran launched a series of ambitious nuclear projects that relied on assistance from the United States and Europe. According to Akbar Etemad, the President of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) from 1974 through 1978, Iran was already carrying out nuclear research and education at the University of Tehran when the NPT entered into force on March 5, 1970.[5] The work centered on a five megawatt research reactor supplied by the United States, which began operation in 1967.

By the mid-1970s, according to Etemad, Iran had launched an extensive nuclear energy program. In 1974, the Shah set the goal of producing roughly 23,000 megawatts of electrical power from a series of nuclear power stations within twenty years. A host of contracts between Iran and nuclear suppliers in Europe and the United States followed: Iran struck a deal with Kraftwerk Union (KWU, a Siemens subsidiary) of then-West Germany to build two 1,200 megawatt reactors at Bushehr[6] and negotiated with the French company Framatome for two additional 900 megawatt reactors. In 1974, Iran reportedly invested $1 billion in a French uranium enrichment plant owned by Eurodif, a European consortium.[7] Etemad also described Iran's indigenous work on the nuclear fuel cycle in the 1970s, including plans for a new nuclear research center at Isfahan and the exploration of uranium mining and ore processing."

WTF? So it was America, France, Germany. Also Argentina and Russia, post The Shah?

So...never mind. Look away now. Fair warning! Some history and topical truth about to be printed.

Can you imagine if the media informed folks about this?

Look away NOW!

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OK? Still dare to see the history and it's relationship to today?

All righty then..........

The Good Deal forces Iran to give up 97% of it's 20% enriched uranium, needed to convert to weapons grade 90%, a process actually a lot easier than going from 3% for nuclear power plants to the 20% needed for nuclear research reactors. Only enough of the very hard to make primo 20% uranium left for the Tehran facility and the other facility being decommissioned and reconstructed under international supervision as a second research facility, much more modern. The Tehran facility will be removed, eventually. All will be heavily inspected.

Iranians are good scientists but even they can not make nuclear weapons grade 90% enriched uranium by waving a magic wand, rubbing a magic lamp or taking a magic Persian carpet ride to Ayatollahs R Us Enriched Uranium Emporium. This is not like enriching whole wheat flalfels.

Uranium enrichment requires mining for uranium - or purchase - processing, transportation, etc. etc. and it takes advanced engineering and knowledge....and it takes time...a lot of time...time which has been precisely calculated by nuclear experts, of which I am not one, and they know how many centrifuges make exactly how much over how much time...and they all know the current centrifuge count...so the experts from six nations with nuclear expertise, all involved in the development of the nuclear programs of Iran in the first place, say clearly and unanimously at least one year of time is required for Iran if they completely disown the Great Deal to produce enough fissionable weapons grade material for ONE small nuclear bomb...Hiroshima size.

So even if some crazy regime takes over the country, from the last crazy regime, and tears up the Great Deal....one year to be any nuclear menace.

And have you seen the spontaneous celebrations by Iranians, the Iranian people? Who is going to deny them, the people of this young and advanced and civilized Persian nation, that there will not be rejoining with the international community, or having once joined, to go back to the ways of the Ayatollahs?

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Tehran Nuclear Research Centre - Made in America





The Tehran Nuclear Research Center is a complex of several laboratories, including the Tehran Research Reactor (TRR). The TRR produces radioisotopes for medical and research purposes. The United States supplied Iran with the 5-megawatt light-water reactor in 1967; it was fueled with highly enriched uranium (around 90 percent). In 1987, Argentina concluded a deal with Iran to change the core of the reactor so it could operate on low-enriched uranium (20 percent).

http://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program

In total there are only 9 physical sites in Iran related to nuclear power or weapons...they are all well know and now will have a permanent UN inspection regime.

It is no brainer...an absolute no-brainer....a Great Deal....I just hope the hardliners and dunces that pass for adults do not scuttle it. The idiots and charlatans and corrupt politicians and fear mongers opposing this deal need to put their dunce caps on and sit quietly in the coroner until the adults have completed this important adult business of which they are ignorant.

That goes double for the extremist religious dunce children in America.

http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/mar/16/iran-nuke-program-2-abcs-sites

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017256558

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What crazy, rotten, no good for nothing country sold nuclear technology to Iran in the first place? (Original Post) Fred Sanders Apr 2015 OP
To quote Nixon: "He may be an SOB but he's our SOB" He did get some libdem4life Apr 2015 #1
"You can have your nuclear candy as long as you also wear this leash". Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #2
It always comes back to bite them in their well-endowed behinds... Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #3
Yes, while the Shah was in power, he BlueMTexpat Apr 2015 #4
I think you mean "What crazy, rotten ndfn Administration sold those nukes"? whathehell Apr 2015 #5
Halliburton helped Oilwellian Apr 2015 #6
US, of course. Nictuku Apr 2015 #7
Our policies in the Middle East are completely self-serving ronnie624 Apr 2015 #8
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
1. To quote Nixon: "He may be an SOB but he's our SOB" He did get some
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

flack for that, but then he had a unique way of speaking his mind.

Problems arise when they are No Longer our SOB. Then, we just find another willing bribee, and there are aplenty, bomb and occupy (not so much any more), or do what our new President did...negotiate with them. What a concept.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. "You can have your nuclear candy as long as you also wear this leash".
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015

As is often the hidden truth it is past Western greed at the heart of another international problem involving war and peace.

Nuclear chickens coming home to roost.

Meanwhile the profiteers made out like bandits and their crime is lost in the mist of time and a lazy media.

No wonder the cons hate history.

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
4. Yes, while the Shah was in power, he
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:38 PM
Apr 2015

literally had carte blanche for any weapons or other systems, in addition to his nuclear program. In fact, the Shah received "dibs" on some highly technological weapons systems even before Israel did. See, e.g., AWACS: https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal77-1202923

Following the storming of the US Embassy in Tehran in November 1979, however, the AWACs sale to Iran was cancelled and ultimately, Saudi Arabia was the beneficiary. http://www.merip.org/mer/mer155/saudi-arabia-reagan-doctrine

But these sales/proposed sales all took place in the years when Iran was not a so-called pariah state.

What to me is the height of egregious hypocrisy - if not outright illegality - was the sale of nuclear technology to Iran by Halliburton and others, championed by the very same people who now want us to make war on Iran. http://riseuptimes.org/2012/09/12/dick-cheneys-halliburton-sold-nuclear-technology-to-iran/

Isn't it yet time to put prison sentences back on the table? Or at least universal shunning and overt stigmatism for these traitorous criminals? So long as they keep getting away with murder, they will never stop.

whathehell

(29,094 posts)
5. I think you mean "What crazy, rotten ndfn Administration sold those nukes"?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

Otherwise we might have to start calling the UK
nasty names for imperialism, opiating China, Oliver Cromwell and all the other shitty things your country has done over time, and I don't think you'd much like that.






























Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
6. Halliburton helped
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 04:33 PM
Apr 2015

Halliburton created offshore entities to circumvent the U.S. ban on doing business in Iran, and part of what passed through this loophole was nuclear enabling technology. All of the profit ended up in a Cayman Islands shell company so there's no U.S. tax burden. If we ever go to war against a nuclear armed Iran, Halliburton gets paid again supporting our military in the conflict.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
8. Our policies in the Middle East are completely self-serving
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

and have nothing to do with terrorism or humanitarianism. They are about controlling energy and markets for the sake of profit and power. This sort of duplicity is not surprising in the least.

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