If you can't get insurance for it, if you have to wait 72 hours, if you have to have 2 face to face

[cali]

doctor visits prior to having the procedure, if the nearest clinic is hundreds of miles away, if you have to listen to dangerous and upsetting lies, if you have to have not one but 2 ultrasounds, is abortion still a right?

No. It is not.

[Ilsa]

1. It's a right that is being violated.

The equivalent of poll taxes or passing a test just to vote, but much more expensive. Poor women are "disenfranchised."

[appalachiablue]

29. Agree, this is very similar to literacy tests & poll taxes ($ fees) designed to obstruct voting

especially among the poor and minorities. Young, poor and vulnerable women without resources, contacts and representation are increasingly subject to vicious and widespread mechanisms. It is de facto discrimination and the regulation of women. There has to be movement against these crimes and injustices. Education through a fair news media is needed but first the consolidated corporate system must be altered by enforcing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, restoring the Fairness Doctrine and instituting major changes in the FCC.

[Vinca]

2. Agreed. The right is really going overboard.

To not allow a woman to purchase private insurance coverage is beyond the pale. I'm bothered by the 20 week abortion ban, too. Few abortions are done after that point and when they are, it's usually because there is something horribly wrong with the fetus. In some cases the child will not be able to survive for a minute outside the womb. The right is mandating months of agony for a woman who is essentially carrying a corpse. If Democrats are ever in charge with an overwhelming majority again, they need to pass legislation that addresses everything: access, funding, privacy, science. States should not be able to run all abortion providers out.

[Orrex]

3. Imagine similar restrictions placed on gun purchases

72 hour wait for a shotgun,

bought in person at a store 100 miles distant,

after two face-to-face meetings for psych evals,

including two MRIs to confirm no organic brain defects.


Imagine the outrage!

[cali]

4. no kidding. that's actually an interesting comparison.

[enough]

5. Good point. (nt)

[melm00se]

6. you bring up an interesting point

I have always contended that the RKBA and pro-choice as well as the gun control and anti-abortion groups have a lot more in common when in comes to defending (or restricting) their rights than is apparent.

the RKBA and pro-choice sides want as few restrictions (and in some cases no restrictions) on the exercising of their rights and the other side wants anywhere from "reasonable" (not sure how to further define that) restrictions to an outright ban.

[TNNurse]

7. Absolutely

But ignorance is very strong in some. I swear some would still say if an escaped felon came into their house and shot all their loved ones they would defend that felon's right to have that gun.

But a woman does not have a right to make decisions about her body and life?? There is a mental disconnect and deficit in some and they are being encouraged in their illogical thinking.

[druidity33]

8. That needs to be a viral meme... nt.

[Orrex]

11. Here's another scenario:

Imagine a male Rep in the Ohio state legislature revealing that he'd bought a gun after being assaulted, only to be laughed at by female Reps. Those women would be run out of office before the day was through.

[metalbot]

13. To be fair, there's lots of people here who would love that. n/t

[Lochloosa]

16. You are correct. I'm one on them.

[bullwinkle428]

15. In Iowa, Republicans are trying to end the 72 hour waiting period for handguns!

[Orrex]

17. They need to do that, to protect "pre-born children." Or something.

[dsc]

18. A judge has already made that comparison

I can't remember which state but one federal judge already made this analogy in either MS or TX when striking down a set of restrictions.

[Orrex]

19. Wow--good to know! (nt)

[uponit7771]

26. +1

[yardwork]

9. This is a huge problem happening right now.

I saw your earlier OP about women's rights and I agree.

[cali]

10. thank you so much. n/t

[phantom power]

12. This. Exactly This.

[Enthusiast]

14. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[AllyCat]

20. I wasn't required to have even one ultrasound when I was pregnant

But had I asked to not be pregnant, I would have needed two. And all the other garbage you mentioned. That is not a right.

[MineralMan]

21. That's a de facto ban on abortion.

Far too many such situations out there.

[cali]

22. that it is. thanks.

[Wounded Bear]

23. K & R...

In the final analysis, women's rights are human rights. I'm a man, but I look on the crap the RW is doing around various issues, and even if I am not directly affected now, it is clear to me that I could easily be next in line.

Besides, I have women in my life who's freedoms and rights are important to me. There aren't many religious people in my life anymore, as in friends and acquaintances. I tend to respond to some of their beliefs with the derisve scorn I think they deserve.

[calimary]

34. Indeed. I'm sure you've run across this:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

That's what popped into my mind reading the point you made in your post - "even if I am not directly affected now, it is clear to me that I could easily be next in line."

Yeah, in THIS climate, in this day and age, you could be. Seriously.

[Wounded Bear]

38. All of us could be...

eventually. Because they are essentially bullies, and won't stop until everyone is under their thumb.

Most Republican supporters, especially the wannabe libertarians and the fundamentalists don't know fuck-all about the freedoms they so vociferously try to pawn off on the rest of us.

[OregonBlue]

24. I'm way past baby-making days but if I were young and not ready to have children I would

make sure I had every kind of emergency contraception know to man at all times. Because I don't need them I don't know if they are expensive but it only makes sense to have them in case you need them. True it doesn't address the way women's rights are being violated all over the country but it should give peace of mind.

[jeff47]

25. Doesn't really work that way.

First, they aren't cheap.

Second, they expire. So you'd have to keep buying them every year.

Third, they only work during a particular window in a woman's cycle. And different ones work in different parts of that cycle.

Fourth, they are prescription only, so you'd have to go to a doctor to get them. And the side effects are significant enough that it's not a good idea to move them to over-the-counter.

[OregonBlue]

28. Thanks. Good to know except the prescription part. I know that here in Oregon there are several

morning after, emergency contraceptives that can be bought over the counter. Still, it's so much better than having to have an abortion.

[uppityperson]

32. Many are over the counter, no prescription needed. Also there are combinations of OC's that work...

OC's, birth control pills, are prescription. There are combinations of common ones that do what Plan B (tm) does. Plan B and other trademarked Emergency Contraceptives are available over the counter but are more expensive.

Many years ago, the OB doc I worked for had a list similar to the one on this website. I had friends who kept a package around for just in case preparation. I can not prescribe nor endorse any of this, not within the scope of practice of my license. I can, however, share information from what I have experienced personally and professionally.

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/dose.html

In the U.S., progestin-only EC is available on the shelf without age restrictions to women and men. Look for Plan B One-Step, Take Action, Next Choice One-Dose, My Way or other generics in the family planning aisle.

There are nearly two dozen brands of pills that can be used for emergency contraception in the United States today. Several products are specifically approved and marketed here as emergency contraceptive pills:

[niyad]

27. you are absolutely correct. I am sick of hearing how roe guarantees our rights, the states

cannot interfere, yada yada, ignoring the violent, hate-filled, fear-driven war being waged on women every single day.

[blkmusclmachine]

30. The GOP keeps adding hoops. More and more hoops. They want to control your sex life, reproduction,

and body.

The GOP wants to get between you and your husband, you and your doctor, you and your minister, you and your god, etc, etc.

[Dragonfli]

31. Effectively it is obviously not a right, whether it is a right in theory matters little to those

being affected by reality.

Our politicians (that make lots of promises to get elected) need to ensure rights that people supposedly have, but in fact do not appear to.

Why are we hearing nothing on the federal level about these abuses of rights? Why is the federal government not stepping in with the national guard if necessary to ensure them?

Keep going Cali, you have been absolutely correct in all your OPs on the subject. Help is needed on the federal level, this shit is going to cause deaths as sure as it did before such "rights" were supposedly fought for and received. Hell, there have most likely already been deaths due to this shit that simply are not being reported in the MSM.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

33. barring access WILL kill innocents. Actual Women.

Not "Potential Persons"


Fine, businesses don't care? Social media can hardly make a peep? Women's organizations can't make a noise loud enough to be heard?

I can't worry about that this second. I've got things going on, and adding a rage induced aneurysm isn't goingvto make anyone care about what's happening to women.

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. kick

[riderinthestorm]

36. Big K&R!!!! 100% spot on nt

[MaggieD]

37. Nailed it!