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Trevor Noahs History of Jewish and Fat Jokes Has People Up in ArmsOn Jewish people:
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Almost bumped a Jewish kid crossing the road. He didn't look b4 crossing but I still would hav felt so bad in my german car!
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Messi gets the ball and the real players try foul him, but Messi doesn't go down easy, just like jewish chicks. #ElClasico
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Behind every successful Rap Billionaire is a double as rich Jewish man. #BeatsByDreidel
On Women
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I like women that don't wear make up. For me they're like pizza- still great the next morning!
9:04 AM - 2 May 2010
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"Oh yeah the weekend. People are gonna get drunk & think that I'm sexy!" - fat chicks everywhere.
6:27 AM - 14 Oct 2011
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A hot white woman with ass is like a unicorn. Even if you do see one, you'll probably never get to ride it.
1:57 PM - 28 Nov 2011
On the LGBT community
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Looking at how successful all the Kardashian women are, I don't blame Bruce Jenner at all.
4:27 PM - 5 Feb 2015
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I'm watching Olympic women's hockey. It's like lesbian porn. Without the porn. #InLove
11:39 AM - 31 Jul 2012
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trevor-noahs-history-of-jewish-and-fat-jokes-has-everyone-up-in-arms/
on edit: fixed misplaced tweet.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lighten up. or they start calling us prude and such. you know, the man card. lol. stewart has always flavored this mentality to women, as he stands up for our rights, and is dead on in some areas. this one? not so much. him and colbert get chuckles talking about women like this. wink wink.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But there's a line between humor and just being mean.
The comedy circuit has always been a boys-club that's been not very welcoming to women.
If they're going to get someone offensive, get Sarah Silverman.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)then they get all fuzy of what is ok or not. then they get pissed when it affects them. when women do not simply laugh at the insult, degradation or humiliation and shame.
want to giggle with the boys.... understand it is giggle with the racists, just not to AA's face. my boys are really good about turning off the misogynist comedians cause they know i do not think it is funny. they are good about waiting for a time, when i do not have to be offended (they are being considerate towards me, a pat on their back), so they can enjoy their laugh.
really? what does that say?
i am seriously asking.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Don't know why, but stuff people know is wrong can make them laugh.
Joan Rivers was outrageously offensive, but she made people laugh because it rarely came from malice, but rather from shock value.
Same jokes from Rush Limbaugh, not funny unless a person shares the malice that Limbaugh has.
This guy seems like a multiracial SAE frat boy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Stewart looked mildly uncomfortable, but let the rant go on.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he use to not be so aware. he had gotten better. i do not know baout his tv show, but i have listened to his more recent stuff. he walks the line pretty well, not stepping over to sexism, disrespect, but funny
merrily
(45,251 posts)He said some good things leading it up to that but, at the end, I wanted to spit. I will not watch him because of that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)maybe my bad. i know at first he defended tosh. but, i thought he later moved forward on the issue.
merrily
(45,251 posts)but concluded with something like "and I get all that, but enough," meaning enough objections from women about rape jokes.
Maybe there was a later epiphany I missed because I refused to watch him after that?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)at our expense and telling us to laugh it off. like i have an obligation to him and his maleness....
merrily
(45,251 posts)Female comics joke about men and their relationships with men, so I can't fault male comics for doing the same. But, I've yet to hear a female comic joke about a man having a broom shoved up his butt as part of hazing sadism or being otherwise raped. If any did, I'd criticize them, too.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And always has been, hasn't it? I don't know about making fun of Jewish people, but that seems like it's on the rise to me.
I hope people would check into the back twitter feed of a white Jon Stewart replacement too. Sometimes people of color are held to a higher standard, but these tweets do seem in horrible taste and would be no matter who said them. My fear is that we never would have heard about it if the replacement had been a white man.
I think these attitudes are pretty common in comedy, sadly. It seems like being offensive is seen as edgy and cool sometimes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)funny while we are insulted, humiliated, shamed and degraded.
does that make sense to you? cause it does not make sense to me.
we have to see these jokes thru a mans eye. cannot see it thru a womans eye, cause then it is simply an insult. mans eye? oh, what a hoot.
the whole world must be seen and hear and acted upon from a white, hetero, mans view.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)South Africa. Mum went to jail for it. With that knowledge, we can assume that he has an utterly ignorant and hateful point of view toward Jews and that he would be a strong supporter of discrimination of all kinds, don't you think?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The whole "I'm Jewish so I can tell any Jew jokes I like" died when Seinfeld lampooned it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and that I don't know that anyone would have looked into this if he were white. I'm not sure why I got this reply. I do think the tweets are offensive regardless of who said them. I'm a woman and if I wrote something anti-woman, it would be offensive even though I'm a woman. I don't know how likely it is that Comedy Central will find a comedian who has never written anything offensive as that's seen as edgy and therefore good in comedy.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I had no idea.
that's how he dealt with things...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/31/trevor-noahs-apartheid-comedy-and-how-it-made-him-jon-stewarts-unlikely-successor/
Thanks for the background.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)George Carlin has said worse. I recall him saying he loved watching natural disasters and always hoped they got worse. He liked watching them cause human misery as payback for what we do to nature. Keep in mind this was within a year of the Indonesian tsunami and Katrina.
still_one
(92,422 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The job of good comedy includes making people uncomfortable. Always has, always will.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)LGBT people are acceptable, the idea that those same folks turn on a comic is a hypocrisy beyond all description.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)appalling.
The bigger problem is that they're not funny--there's not much there in those tweets but hostility towards the people being described.
dembotoz
(16,844 posts)he has been "edgy"
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He's a comedian.
Efilroft Sul
(3,582 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Or in general?
I had never heard of this person until yesterday, but Salon did a story on his comedy bits and I thought he was pretty funny. His timing isn't that fluid but he was funny i thought.
Bryant
leveymg
(36,418 posts)1) there are funny jokes, 2) there are bigoted jokes, and 3) there are funny, bigoted jokes. #2, alone, won't make it in the Big Leagues.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Here's the primer from Salon. There are several clips.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)"Either we have unlimited rights, or no rights at all. Personally I lean toward unlimited rights, I feel for instance I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and disagree with other stuff he says. after all. he is coming from it as a man. as a white man. as a white hetero man. as a white hetero man of the generation past with lots of "isms... and all of us just learning and accepting, you know, thinking.
he is not all right.
i also bought his book and gave it to oldest. because there is a lof of funny in it. and i said to him.... carlin is not a god and does get some stuff wrong, being a white hetero male.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Also,
Here he is talking about rape- "You can joke about anything"
George Carlin About Rape
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the tip i did. so his lily white male ego would not be stroked to the extent of not being able to hear his privilege and entitlement, they live.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Control of Words Control of Thought
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)du men continue give me these snippets to validate something, .... and i have watched them repeatedly.
and it changes nothing i say. further, i continue to reinforce this white hetero man is not right on, with all things. a lot of stuff, yes. but he is just a man of his times viewing from mans eyes.....
snooper2
(30,151 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)My 16-year-old son really, really, REALLY wanted Tina Fey to be chosen.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the other from park and rec would be good too.
and cool to your son. my 17 yr old son felt so, also.
ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)She's absolutely great and i think the venue would be perfect for her, because she could stretch out a bit and do a little longer commentary on certain things each day.
Your son has very good taste in comedians.
Marr
(20,317 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't care one bit if I influence you. I was asking if you ever consider the idea that your personal opinions, while valid, may not be 'The Truth', and that others may disagree with those opinions without being wrong.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Dieudonné M'bala M'bala agrees wholeheartedly, I would think...
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)and UC Davis, which she defends by claiming them jokes?? Why does she get final say on what is tasteless and unacceptable?
BTW she also thinks Obama is being mean to Netanyahu.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Bonx
(2,075 posts)I won't be offended by the new one I'm not watching.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)gallows humor. If you can't tell the difference, then you shouldn't listen to jokes and other humorous ruminations. Go watch some episodes of "Absolutely Fabulous" where everything and everyone gets insulted and it's very funny. All sacred cows are gored.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)That would be something. Of course there is always something known as a straw man.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)fat jewish lesbian cows are we? I guess you don't know what a straw man argument is.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't understand people who take offense at comedians. I really don't.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Wonder why they didn't choose him.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)High & drunk not even a giggle....
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But I've enjoyed a lot of comics that other people took great and public offense at, and I'd never expect one to censor themselves. In my humble opinion, comics engage in the most underappreciated, mentally challenging, potentially soul crushing art form we've got. For a person to expect comics not to offend their sensibilities is one of the most arrogant things I can imagine.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Funny how DU can have hundreds of threads decrying misogyny and anti-Jew bias, but when the holy Daily Show hires an active practitioner of all those, all is forgiven.
Because it's The Daily Show.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)thing that Trevor Noah has ever done. His whole work can be summed down to these tweets and that's all that really matters.
And you are comfortable with that?
Bryant
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Smelling it will suffice.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Where your snap judgements based on limited exposure can tell you everything you need to know about a person. I guess I'm more spineless than you - but I like to know somebody before I condemn them.
Bryant
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)You got me there.
Meanwhile let me hazard a guess how openminded you'd be if this guy was hired for his own Fox News program.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I don't watch the Daily Show either. Catch the clips sometimes on DU or at Salon.
Bryant
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Would a person making those statements receive the same indulgence if they were a rap artist or talk show host or CEO? Somehow I doubt it.
I suspect the reason offered would be that comedians are not to be taken seriously. However, if speech is only protected so long as it is not serious then we have found ourselves in a place where speech is not protected at all.
Marr
(20,317 posts)A lot of talk show hosts and rappers DO make offensive remarks in their acts.
It's not that comics shouldn't be taken seriously, per se-- it's that they are entertainers. Can you even imagine standing in front of a crowd and entertaining them with literally nothing but your own words? Can you imagine doing that without offending some of their sensibilities?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Glen Beck, Joe Scar et al from your mind? Most CEOs are offensive to their underlings, especially the women, or have you never worked closely under one? It would help if they were funny instead of just insulting.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)whatever medium they have at their disposal. My post asked if only comedians should be indulged with permission to do so.
alp227
(32,060 posts)Guess what? Comedians influence people's minds. I don't want comedians who make bigotry hip.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)alp227
(32,060 posts)Think about it. If I arranged a job interview with you, and you showed up in your pajamas, would I have the best impression of you? No, even if you were a National Honor Society student in high school and have never committed a crime in your life.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Trevor Noah didn't highlight these tweets as examples of his comedy. That's not his resume.
This is more like - you are about to interview someone when one of the other interviewees (or your secretary or someone just hanging around) says "Look here's some dumb and racist things this guy has said over the last 5 years." You might ask him about them in the interview, but you wouldn't then assume "Well I guess since he's said a few terrible things, everything he's said is terrible."
Bryant
alp227
(32,060 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)from the daily show? Or am I misreading you?
Bryant
alp227
(32,060 posts)Either apologize for his hateful words or justify them. He shouldn't run away from his own words like a coward.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Or has he run away from his words?
Has he been asked about them and refused to answer?
Bryant
alp227
(32,060 posts)Look. Whatever you post on an open social media account is your face. Whether a celebrity like Noah or an average stiff like us. In the era of social media, those who want to sabotage another's employment prospects now have an easier way to dig up dirt, unlike in the past when it depended on whether an employer would buy into hearsay/gossip.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Thank goodness there are no shortage of high horses for us to get up on.
Bryant
alp227
(32,060 posts)Specifically: if you post things publicly online under your full name, do you open yourself to be associated with such words?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)And not just things said publicly under your own name. As spying tools in the private sector get better and more focused anything you do online will end up as fair game.
And then people can go, select your worst moments, ignore everything else you've done or said, and you are that person.
Those are going to be the rules; and if you don't like them, well, keep your head down. Don't take risks. Don't put yourself out there. Stay small; because the moment you are anything more than small, someone will come along to knock you down to size.
It's going to be great.
Bryant
alp227
(32,060 posts)And are you really equating bigoted jokes with "tak(ing) risks"? Please. Do you really want to equivocate serious, high-minded political dissent with bigoted dehumanization of those at the bottom of the social ladder?
Why can't people take responsibility for their own words instead of blaming greater society for the way they're perceived? Too often, the issue about free speech is framed as blaming society for "poutrage" that ruins people's lives for exercising free speech rather than the speaker rightfully getting flak for being an ass.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I also note that few of the people upset about these tweets are interested in them in the context of his work; that's my issue. It's as if these are the only jokes he's ever told. This is the only part about this man's life that matters.
Bryant
arcane1
(38,613 posts)would be arranging a job interview, and before you arrive, someone calls the interviewer and tells them everything they don't like about you.
Trevor didn't come out and say "Please look at my most offensive tweets" did he? And some of the ones in the OP have to really be stretched to make them bigoted in any way.
alp227
(32,060 posts)That's far from a situation where a prospective employer hears from a disgruntled ex-associate all sorts of unsubstantiated gossip about me. Noah posted these off color remarks to a public twitter account, so he needs to own his words, otherwise he's a coward without integrity.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Good lord...
Marr
(20,317 posts)LOTS of talk could be said to 'lead to concentration camps', if that's how you'd classify those tweets.
alp227
(32,060 posts)The "free speech" card belongs to the right wing Internet warriors whining on Facebook about A&E suspending the Duck Dynasty star for anti-gay remarks.
My philosophy on comedy? If a joke relies on dehumanizing an entire class of disadvantaged people - whether people of color, rape victims, or those with disabilities - it's hate speech, not comedy. This may sound harsh, but it's true: dehumanization is a stage of genocide.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I'm sure they'd be very grateful for your guidance.
alp227
(32,060 posts)How do you think "Two and a Half Men" was in production for so long with its cheap sex jokes?
Creative, REAL "boundary pushing" comedians break new ground instead of refining old bigotries used by the worst violators of human rights.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)laugh. lighten up.
no
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)People are expecting a little more than just a comedian to take the reigns of TDS.
RandiFan1290
(6,245 posts)Great job, Trevor!
So happy to see the trolls whining about this just after hearing Limbaugh's whining
War Horse
(931 posts)Go on YouTube and watch his participation in UK shows. Stephen Fry seems to like him. I've never gotten the adulation. He's a decent if repetetive comedian, yet a charming guy. I'm not his greatest fan, but the attacks on him here seem unwarranted, IMHO.
I suggest folks at least give him a chance.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,590 posts)seems like maybe he's not the guy after all?
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)the first joke was offensive so that is one and fat white women are the punch line of most comedians, I just don't care as a fat white woman. I don't know who Messi is, so I guess I can't get offended by what I don't understand. as for women being hard to get - is that an insult?
maybe I need to get a bit more into the day, I might still be in my morning everything is good mood.
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alp227
(32,060 posts)Huh? Huh? HUH? HUH? HUH? HUH? HUH? You know what the irony of "comedy has no limits" is? If "everything" were funny, comedy wouldn't be creative. Any joke that dehumanizes an entire class/group of people is not funny. It's incitement of hatred. Period.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)odd that, isnt it?
alp227
(32,060 posts)Sadly, even DU buys into "being politically incorrect".
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)of the land." - Kumail Nanjiani
This from a set of tweets on Trevor Noah's offensive tweets by other comedians.
Bryant
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)"Why can't the Daily Show just hire a post-gendered vegan humanities professor who has never told a joke in its life"
"Trevor Noah can't host a comedy show for telling fat jokes but Mike Pence can govern like a nazi. America : Still Working Out the Kinks"
"By the way, that hitting a Jew with a german car joke would crush at every Passover seder I've ever been to"
Good stuff, thanks for posting that link
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)How humiliating.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Almost bumped a Jewish kid crossing the road. He didn't look b4 crossing but I still would hav felt so bad in my german car!
This makes fun of Germans, not Jews.
I like women that don't wear make up. For me they're like pizza- still great the next morning!
That is an insult? Reads more like a compliment to natural women to me.
A hot white woman with ass is like a unicorn. Even if you do see one, you'll probably never get to ride it.
This has exactly "what" to do with the LGBT community?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)I put that one in the wrong spot when I copied...my bad.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Reminds me of that Tosh guy.
Ugh.
PCIntern
(25,592 posts)Trevor Noah takes his girlfriend home and asks her, "Hey Baby, how about a goodnight fuck?
She replies: "Okay...goodnight, fuck."
Mike Nelson
(9,968 posts)...especially if these un-funny "jokes" keep turning up...
Retrograde
(10,159 posts)like TPP, income disparity, voting rights, climate change, heath care, etc. instead of the host of a show on the Comedy Network (the same network, btw, that airs Tosh.0 and any number of shows some people find offensive).
Not having seen the posts in context, I can't comment.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Sarah Silverman or Dave Chappelle as host. People would be having cerebral hemorrhages already.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Chris Rock is a comedian who has built his career on addressing controversial topics in his material, which is why he will never perform at a college ever again.
Speaking to New York Magazine, Rock gave his thoughts on Bill Maher's appointment as the winter commencement speaker at UC - Berkeley and the student body's immediate protest. Rock said college's are just too conservative for his jokes to be effective.
"Not in their political views - not like they're voting Republican - but in their social views and their willingness not to offend anybody," Rock told the magazine. "Kids raised on a culture of 'We're not going to keep score in the game because we don't want anybody to lose.' Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can't say 'the black kid over there.' No, it's 'the guy with the red shoes.' You can't even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive."
Maher's appointment was answered with a student-led protest because of jokes he told about the Muslim religion. He responded on his show by echoing similar sentiments to what Rock gave in his interview.
http://www.universityherald.com/articles/13470/20141202/chris-rock-will-not-tour-at-colleges-anymore-because-they-dont-want-to-offend-anyone.htm#ixzz3VzpvPl7i
Given some of the replies in this thread I can see his point.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Although in his case the joke that causes certain groups to complain isn't even his, it's just a stupid picture of him circulating on facebook and tumbler with someone else's joke underneath. The joke is also attributed to several British comedians in the same way.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Comb through everything we've ever said, highlight the worst bits, then pretend they're representstive of the whole person.
We're a bored people.
He's a comedian. Sometimes he lays some eggs. They all do.
merrily
(45,251 posts)No, I am not. Good.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)And I understand how comedians should not be held to the same standards as others when practicing their craft.
How's that for riding the fence?? I think I may just tear my sack if I sit on it any harder.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Gee, I wonder what's throwing people off the scent...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Is this the same DU that was almost unanimous in its support of Charlie Hebdo a couple of months ago?
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)You can dig into practically anyone's past and find something they did or said that's offensive/controversial. It's impossible to live life with a spotless record. I couldn't care less what he wrote on his Twitter account five years ago.
Behind the Aegis
(53,991 posts)Someone wrote in another thread, tweets aren't really the "stage" for comedy. The problem with the tweets and sometimes even DU, is the set up may or may not be missing and there is where the intent lies. His follow-up tweet about the "rich Jews" though demonstrates he at least harbors some anti-Semitic issues. His being 1/4 Jewish is irrelevant.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)expect people to point the finger and laugh right back atcha.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)if any of it were actually funny
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)enough to interview politicians and other high-level figures the way Jon did? Time will tell.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)if he's telling really horrible "jokes" that are basically bigoted slams and thinking they are funny