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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI believe Japan will be forced to vacate Tokyo due to Fukushima exposed spent fuel rods.
This will happen after the government recovers from their total collapse of leadership.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Shifting ten percent of a nation's population is tricky.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)murielm99
(30,765 posts)What am I missing?
Can you explain what and where this is? I must have missed something.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)sorcrow
(421 posts)Japan and the Soviets (at the time) never signed a peace agreement. I lived in Nemuro, Japan and on the rare clear day could see the Soviet Union from my window. Eat your heart out Sara Palin. I interpreted for a Swedish reporter who interviewed some of the folks who had lived on the islands and evacuated when the Soviets overran them around the time of the Japanese surrender.
From the reports, the Russians (oops, Soviets) were near starving. They ate potatoes raw from the field, and killed and ate the plow horses. Interesting history.
Regards,
Crow
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)MineralMan
(146,333 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This is the only sensible response to the OP in the entire thread.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)bighart
(1,565 posts)PufPuf23
(8,839 posts)From http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/303-211/10896-fate-of-japan-and-the-whole-world-depends-on-no-4-reactor
I asked top spent-fuel pools expert Mr. Robert Alvarez, former Senior Policy Adviser to the Secretary and Deputy Assistant Secretary for National Security and the Environment at the U.S. Department of Energy, for an explanation of the potential impact of the 11,421 rods.
I received an astounding response from Mr. Alvarez [updated 4/5/12]:
In recent times, more information about the spent fuel situation at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site has become known. It is my understanding that of the 1,532 spent fuel assemblies in reactor No. 304 assemblies are fresh and unirradiated. This then leaves 1,231 irradiated spent fuel rods in pool No. 4, which contain roughly 37 million curies (~1.4E+18 Becquerel) of long-lived radioactivity. The No. 4 pool is about 100 feet above ground, is structurally damaged and is exposed to the open elements. If an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire involving nearly 10 times the amount of Cs-137 released by the Chernobyl accident.
The infrastructure to safely remove this material was destroyed as it was at the other three reactors. Spent reactor fuel cannot be simply lifted into the air by a crane as if it were routine cargo. In order to prevent severe radiation exposures, fires and possible explosions, it must be transferred at all times in water and heavily shielded structures into dry casks.. As this has never been done before, the removal of the spent fuel from the pools at the damaged Fukushima-Dai-Ichi reactors will require a major and time-consuming re-construction effort and will be charting in unknown waters. Despite the enormous destruction cased at the Da-Ichi site, dry casks holding a smaller amount of spent fuel appear to be unscathed.
Based on U.S. Energy Department data, assuming a total of 11,138 spent fuel assemblies are being stored at the Dai-Ichi site, nearly all, which is in pools. They contain roughly 336 million curies (~1.2 E+19 Bq) of long-lived radioactivity. About 134 million curies is Cesium-137 - roughly 85 times the amount of Cs-137 released at the Chernobyl accident as estimated by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection (NCRP). The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants (~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel
CK_John
(10,005 posts)30,000 Marines from Okinawa with very little fanfare. Also no response from the government of Japan to the mad cow found in CA. They usually cut off imports, to me possible poison of hugh numbers vs 1 or 2 from mad cow is nothing to worry about.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Japan wont suspend U.S. beef imports even after the discovery of mad-cow disease in California, said an agriculture ministry official.
We are importing beef from the U.S. under rules agreed between the two nations, based on the assumption that mad-cow disease has not yet been eradicated, Minoru Yamamoto, director at the ministrys international animal health affairs office, said today by phone. We dont plan to halt imports because of the discovery in the U.S.
The first U.S. case of the brain-wasting disease in six years was found in a dairy cow before it entered the food chain and posed any threat to consumers, John Clifford, the U.S. Department of Agricultures chief veterinarian, told reporters yesterday in Washington. The cow was identified as part of routine testing for the disease, Clifford said.
Japan restricts U.S. beef imports to cattle 20 months old or younger as older animals are at higher risk of having the disease. The regulation was put in place before Japan resumed purchases in 2005 of American beef, which had been banned after of the first discovery of the disease in the U.S. in 2003.
more at link....
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Sounds like a responce to me.
And...
Transfer of US Troops Out of Japan Hardly a Withdrawal
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/04/27/transfer-of-us-troops-out-of-japan-hardly-a-withdrawal/
The U.S. and Japan have come to an agreement on the relocation of about 9,000 U.S. Marines that will leave their bases in Okinawa, with about 5,000 transferred to Guam and the rest spread among other locations in the region.
US military bases in Japan, Wiki
Contrary to the narrative in the media, the closure of five bases and transfer of 9,000 troops off the Japanese island of Okinawa is not anything like a withdrawal or a drastic pullout. There will still be 9 bases and 17,000 marines remaining on the island and over 30,000 U.S. troops in Japan overall.
Up to 85% of the Okinawan population wants U.S. troops out. Not only do they not want to be occupied by a foreign military, but theyre fed up with the outrageous behavior of the American Marines. Between 1972 and 2009, there were 5,634 criminal offenses committed by US servicemen, including 25 murders, 385 burglaries, 25 arsons, 127 rapes, 306 assaults and 2,827 thefts.
The newly announced plan is part of an agreement from 2006, when the U.S. and Japan agreed to transfer 8,000 U.S. Marines from Okinawa to the island of Guam and to relocate the Futenma Air Station to another part of Okinawa. The plan stalled for years due to resistance from Okinawans who would not agree to the new location of the airbase.
more at link...
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as the author points out, "hardly a withdrawal"
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)your post is based solely on your opinion.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)based upon no evidence. Other than what you feel.
that is called creative speculation.
flamingdem
(39,330 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)the situation continues to unfold. Of course massive evac's will occur if reactor 4 melts through, but until it does, it's anyones guess as to how things turn out.
I'm not pointing out the ever changing events in Japan, I'm pointing out the OP's speculation as being part of creative speculation.
It's merely the OP's opinion based upon no concrete information. Aka speculation.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)like saying Mitt has a 50% chance of winning in Nov.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)should I post it again?
17K are staying on the island.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Google or Novell?
Javaman
(62,534 posts)instead of being an adult.
bye, we are done.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)that could very well spread if not already.
why the attitude? aren't you at all worried, and if you aren't, maybe you should be.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)I'm just pointing out that the OP is posting something based solely on their feelings.
That's called spectulation.
And to infer that Tokyo will be evac'd, then that falls into creative spectulation because, no one knows what will happen.
my reply has zero to do with the on going events in Japan. It has to do with the OP opinion.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)yes, the argument is supportable with some explanation --but the OP doesn't do that and not just with this prediction, but with nearly all of their predictions over the years. it's become a running joke almost.
some people have kindly offered some explanation why it might happen, none of those are the OP!
anyway, that's where the "attitude" is coming from.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)over 100,000 square miles, so it may be that it could happen. Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl. so who knows, and don't count on the PTB to tell us everything.
And Japan is not a large land mass.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Surely there is something that can be done. Surely we have some kindof technology to respond to this!
Bake
zappaman
(20,606 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)But there wasn't one, like usual.
How much thinking goes into these predictions? Also if a lot of thought goes into them why does so little writing/effort go into your OP telling us about your predictions?
Are we suposed to take your predictions on faith?
CK_John
(10,005 posts)is your problem?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)to me a 2 + 2 = 4 situation.
Nuclear plant is too radioactive even for robots let alone people, when hundreds maybe thousands of fuel rods hanging from a ceiling water fill container, which will probably fall with the next tremor and cause the worse radiation spill mankind has ever known.
That is info you need and should worry about
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)are you expecting everyone to give you several paragraphs of refutation in response to your two sentence prediction?
to think you accuse me of wasting your time.