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William769

(55,147 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:33 PM Mar 2015

Time to #BoycottIndiana? Celebs Blow Up Social Media

Everyone from Tim Cook, to Ashton Kutcher, Miley Cyrus, Dustin Lance Black, and even Hillary Clinton, had something to say about Indiana's new 'license to discriminate' law.

From the moment after Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed Senate Bill 101 — the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act — during a private ceremony Thursday morning, LGBT people and our allies began blasting the new law, which allows businesses or individuals to deny service to anyone who allegedly offends their religious beliefs.

Out actor George Takei — who had condemned the bill before the governor signed it into law — was one of the first, calling for a boycott of Indiana with the hashtag #BoycottIndiana:





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Time to #BoycottIndiana? Celebs Blow Up Social Media (Original Post) William769 Mar 2015 OP
Indiana has always been a place for me to pass through... greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #1
They have made it a shit stain on America. William769 Mar 2015 #2
Making it more unpleasant a place than ever! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #4
The Stinks still there. William769 Mar 2015 #5
Haven't been through there in a few years, but it did stink. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #6
Thankfully I have not been there in 25 years. William769 Mar 2015 #7
Never been there, though I did attend a friend's wedding in W. Lafayette. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #8
As in the County? William769 Mar 2015 #9
No. The parents. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #10
LOL. William769 Mar 2015 #11
Put a damper on the proceedings, though! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #12
Wouldn't that have been a dust bowl? William769 Mar 2015 #13
It was a very short reception, thankfully. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #14
Well then all was good. William769 Mar 2015 #16
Dull wedding, though. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #17
Well I am a firm believer that a bottle of Wild Turkey can fix just about anything. William769 Mar 2015 #18
I just wanted a glass of wine. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #20
Sounds like the REAL stink is emanating from the state capitol. And the governor's mansion. calimary Mar 2015 #27
My dad grew up there Warpy Mar 2015 #51
Wondering. stage left Mar 2015 #3
Betty Bowers is a satirical character. hifiguy Mar 2015 #15
Whoops. She sure does have the crazy Republican female look down pat. stage left Mar 2015 #39
Please check her out, you may be surprised who's side she is on. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #19
Thanks. stage left Mar 2015 #41
You're welcome, I hope you enjoy her wit. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #50
Do they think this will protect them from the tornados mountain grammy Mar 2015 #21
Not everyone in Indiana supports the new law, though. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #22
Well, they do if they vote for assholes like pence. calimary Mar 2015 #28
I posted a link to an article about Indiana businesses that don't support the law. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #38
I'm noticing a lot of opposition to the law. calimary Mar 2015 #48
Or if they don't vote AGAINST him... Beartracks Mar 2015 #43
I, for one, am not righteous enough to go to Indiana world wide wally Mar 2015 #23
one more place to avoid. niyad Mar 2015 #24
rec nt Zorra Mar 2015 #25
I am still boycotting California due to Proposition 8. Actually I feel kelly1mm Mar 2015 #26
I know a gay couple living in Indianapolis. Have to ask them if they feel affected 7962 Mar 2015 #29
Bullshite on your "persecution", lady. Cha Mar 2015 #30
Indiana, a lovely place to visit, as a fly-over state. I knew some people from Indiana, RKP5637 Mar 2015 #31
There's some really pretty country around Evansville CanonRay Mar 2015 #36
Bloomington has a great university. pangaia Mar 2015 #37
P.S. Mahalo to all the celebs lighing up Twitter on this.. and Dan Savage makes an excellent point! Cha Mar 2015 #32
That is all fine, but again ... ananda Mar 2015 #33
If Jim Crow laws like this that target women are passed, rest assured that the response Zorra Mar 2015 #47
I assure you I have been fighting on both fronts. William769 Mar 2015 #55
The Bishops have openly endorsed the Betty Bowers position. Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #34
I like THE Curse Of Ham part. pangaia Mar 2015 #35
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #40
Please don't judge all the people tavernier Mar 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2015 #44
Ugh. phil89 Mar 2015 #52
Indiana Proud member of Fly-Over Nation for a reason anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #45
KnR sheshe2 Mar 2015 #46
I hope every thinking person or organization joins the boycott. raven mad Mar 2015 #49
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2015 #53
Plus, the KKK literally ran this state not so long ago elfin Mar 2015 #54
I live in Indiana Peaceplace80 Mar 2015 #56

William769

(55,147 posts)
2. They have made it a shit stain on America.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:45 PM
Mar 2015

Unfortunately, it seems other States are vying for the top sport on who can shit on the LGBT Community more.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
4. Making it more unpleasant a place than ever!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:50 PM
Mar 2015

I know many of them are gone, but I always associate the place with stinky refineries and steel mills.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
14. It was a very short reception, thankfully.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:05 PM
Mar 2015

The bride's sister and I ended up in the bar of the hotel where I was staying.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
27. Sounds like the REAL stink is emanating from the state capitol. And the governor's mansion.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:09 PM
Mar 2015

Love those religionistas and other "Christianists." If they can't persecute, they feel persecuted!

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
51. My dad grew up there
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:58 PM
Mar 2015

and I lived there briefly when I was a kid. My grandparents had a cross burned on the front lawn, mustn't have been much of a cross because it wasn't much of a lawn. Even when I was little, it all seemed to be closed in on itself. When I got older and lived elsewhere, I thought it was about 30 years behind the rest of the country.

When I was leaving Boston, living in Indiana again never crossed my mind. I even drove down through the Smokies and picked up I-40 outside Knoxville so I wouldn't have to drive through it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. Betty Bowers is a satirical character.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:05 PM
Mar 2015

And this could wind up being a cigar that explodes in the Goobernor's face big time. I do hope it proves to be so.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
21. Do they think this will protect them from the tornados
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:32 PM
Mar 2015

and other acts of god? What is it that drives people to make such nonsensical laws, especially people who profess to " free market" and no regulations?

calimary

(81,323 posts)
28. Well, they do if they vote for assholes like pence.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:18 PM
Mar 2015

I don't care what they SAY. It's how they VOTE (or if they give up and stay home, because there's no reason to vote, since both sides are the saaaaaaaame...).

REALLY??? You think both sides are REALLY the same? SERIOUSLY????

Would a Democrat have signed a law like this? Would a Democrat have even suggested a bill like this, much less moving to introduce a bill like this in the state legislature? 'Eh? Huh?

You Absolutely Positively Beyond-a-Doubt SURE that both sides are just all the same???? There's NO difference between them?????? They're ALL alike?????????????????????????????????



Just asking...

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
38. I posted a link to an article about Indiana businesses that don't support the law.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

Where did I say any of that?

calimary

(81,323 posts)
48. I'm noticing a lot of opposition to the law.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Mar 2015

My over-arching point, probably a little too ham-handedly presented (sorry about that, I feel maybe too strongly about this issue), was to pose general questions into the ether. Stuff for us all to think about. Not accusations. These are complex times filled with complex issues. One of my particular favorites at the moment is the one where the US and Iran are fighting on the same side against one enemy, ISIS. Okay, THERE'S a dilemma for you! And I think whatever side we might favor, we still have to ask these questions. Aloud. To ourselves. To each other. To others who might be listening in or otherwise lurking.

Meh, that stupid drumbeat again. It just seems to me that with these advance-level problems we need some very careful and considered thinking and questioning about it. We need to drill down into - "okay, what am I REALLY upset about, here?" Which I think is when you start exploring the whole idea of - how sacrosanct are religious rights? Whose religion, anyway? So are we saying religious rights trump civil rights and equal rights and economic rights and so forth? Then we're saying Judaism-centered or Buddhism-centered or Mormonism-centered or Islam-centered rights ALSO trump all those same civil rights and equal rights and economic rights and so forth, are we not? Try THAT ONE on, CONservatives! And hey, we Catholics aren't quite the same as the various kinds of Classification-Protestant Christians, so can we split hairs that far, then, too?

I'm really glad to see businesses inside and outside Indiana reacting to this as I hope they do. ESPECIALLY the home-town ones. That way we can exert pressure from the inside as well as the outside. Sometimes the locals speak louder and more pointedly anyway. We need every one of them we can get. There has to be a big fat stop sign gouged into the ground in front of them. And I say this as a Catholic. Conflicted but still a Catholic. I don't think ANY religion trumps this. NO religion should trump this. Because whose religion gets that privilege? Who's to judge?

SHEESH - does it always have to boil down to a bunch of unruly spoiled toddlers fighting over a single large cookie? Criminy. If everybody wants some, then they all have to share, dammit! They all have to make room. They all have to be okay with not having the whole thing to themselves when all the other kids in the room probably want the exact same thing! There's just no other option here. Everybody has to share. Take some, and leave enough for everybody else to have some too.

I think the under-theme and under-message here, if you will, is rigidity. Insisting on this kind of entitlement - of "I don't have to do such and such because my religion says I don't have to," thereby imposing YOUR distinct and specialized view on everybody else who has to deal with you - is the REAL meanie here. THAT is what has to go, seems to me. If we can't flat-out get rid of it in one fell swoop, then it has to be pushed back against, has to be resisted, has to be chipped away and steadily weakened and otherwise compromised. (Think termites.)

Maybe political and social and economic erosion is what gets this job done. I'm glad there are Indiana businesses thinking with more objective heads.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, you have to look at who's legislating this stuff, who's introducing it in the legislature, who's supporting it there and pushing it toward the governor's desk, who the governor is, and how they got into those jobs to begin with. They don't just stroll on in. They win elections, in one way or other, by getting the biggest vote counts. So it's the voters. It's the voters. Those who are really in the statistical minority in large parts of the country, but who get out and vote on Election Day without fail (if they haven't already early-voted), always wind up shouting really loudly.

And they REALLY wanna win this next time. They've lost twice. They don't like that. Their dearest dream was to make President Barack Obama a one-termer. They failed. They don't like facing and admitting that they failed. Besides, THEY want all the power. And judging from the bombast we're hearing already, they want back in - BADLY, so they can do what they weren't able to do for the last six years, which is to tear down everything President Obama built, and in effect, completely negate and nullify his Presidency. They'd bulldoze his eventual Presidential Library and try to excise every mention of his name if they could. Kinda like the nutcases in the Middle East who tried to wipe the land free of false idols, including a priceless, irreplaceable historic Buddha statue rendered into the side of a mountain. ERASE his very EXISTENCE! As one teabagger lamented - "I want Obama GONE."

On our side, on the other hand, some of us find it awfully easy to throw in the towel and just go home and stay there. We get discouraged a lot quicker and more deeply than they do. Stop and think for a moment what the irrational "right" did after the Supreme Court handed down its Roe v Wade decision. Did they allow themselves to become inconsolable and just throw up their hands and stay home? Any "it's no use" types there? Well, maybe a tiny few, but the rest of 'em armed up and got militant and in-yer-face and started acting out a LOT and thundering across the airwaves and throwing loud nasty temper tantrums in public wherever and whenever they could. AND THEY NEVER TOOK "NO" FOR AN ANSWER. They never gave up. If one way was shut down for them, they came back around the side or from behind somewhere, or tried to chip a hole in the roof, or smuggle themselves in, disguised as a waiter or something. ANY loophole. ANY crack in the wall. Find it! And find it they have. Many of 'em, including candidates for office and for judicial appointments have talked all nice and such about how Roe v Wade is "settled law" but not for a minute did they mean it. I'm surprised nobody sat with one arm hidden behind their backs so you couldn't see their fingers crossed, through the years that I've watched coverage of this stuff.

I wish WE did that.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
43. Or if they don't vote AGAINST him...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:27 PM
Mar 2015

Remember -- NOT voting doesn't keep someone out of office. Only VOTING can do that.

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kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
26. I am still boycotting California due to Proposition 8. Actually I feel
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:05 PM
Mar 2015

even worse about Prop 8 in CA as that was VOTERS voting for discrimination. I will never forgive them for that. Just like it will not change my mind about IN if/when this law gets overturned, I will not forgive CA.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
30. Bullshite on your "persecution", lady.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:21 PM
Mar 2015

Mahalo William!

#BoycottIndiana Oh Yeah.. our pleasure to boycott that Orwellian nightmare Mike Pence's Indiana!

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
31. Indiana, a lovely place to visit, as a fly-over state. I knew some people from Indiana,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:22 PM
Mar 2015

they couldn't wait to escape when they turned 18. I was only there once on a business trip, couldn't wait to get the F out and return to sanity. I know some good people live there, but it's pathetic what has happened to the state and how the damn fools running the state are working so hard to totally sink Indiana.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. Bloomington has a great university.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:53 PM
Mar 2015

And Indianapolis has a really nice minor league ball park.
But the only food in the town is dead cows and it is expensive.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
32. P.S. Mahalo to all the celebs lighing up Twitter on this.. and Dan Savage makes an excellent point!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:24 PM
Mar 2015
Dan Savage ✔ @fakedansavage
Follow
Shitty governor makes shitty state even shittier by signing shitty legislation
. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-signs-gay-marriage-religious-freedom-bill … #SB101
6:52 AM - 26 Mar 2015 Arizona, USA, United States 245 Retweets 253 favorites

ananda

(28,866 posts)
33. That is all fine, but again ...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:28 PM
Mar 2015

... what about the War on Women and all
the red state bills that harm and discriminate
against women?

What don't WE merit this response??!!!

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
47. If Jim Crow laws like this that target women are passed, rest assured that the response
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:54 PM
Mar 2015

would be a hundredfold greater than this.

Imagine this scenario:

"I'm sorry, little missy, but my religion doesn't allow us to seat women in our restaurant. Now get the f**k out of here right now or we call the sheriff and have your feminist ass thrown in jail."

This is exactly what LGBT are facing in Indiana right now.

William769

(55,147 posts)
55. I assure you I have been fighting on both fronts.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:14 PM
Mar 2015

All you have to do is read my posts.

I am not a woman but I am part of the LGBT community.

And I will say this I do not appreciate your post under the circumstances.

Have a nice day.

tavernier

(12,393 posts)
42. Please don't judge all the people
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:14 PM
Mar 2015

in this state by the morons.

I have many family and friends here of both parties who support equal rights. I think they need praise and support to overcome the teebagger idiots. Lets not throw out the baby with the bath water!!

Response to William769 (Original post)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
53. K&R
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:18 PM
Mar 2015

[center]

♫ ♪ Not Goin' Back To Indiana ♪ ♫

Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin'back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun

I spread my wings for greener pastures
Cause Indiana's a disaster
I got the blues and that is why I sing
I just want to do my thing

Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana here I shun
Not goin' back to Indiana
Cause that is where gays are shunned

''Okay Tito you got it!'' {Guitar Solo}

Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun

Hollywood you got a lot of pretty things
I see lots of movie stars with diamond rings
But Indiana's where they do you wrong
That's why I gotta sing this song

Not goin' back to Indiana
Back to where the gays are shunned
Not goin' back to Indiana
Indiana you're no fun[/center]

elfin

(6,262 posts)
54. Plus, the KKK literally ran this state not so long ago
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015

near entire control over state government, especially prior to WWII. The '20's were very nasty.

Echoes today of that terrible past, just as Wisconsin can't seem to shake vestiges of McCartyism.

"Nativist" streak like the living dead in too many places in Midwest.

Peaceplace80

(38 posts)
56. I live in Indiana
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:24 PM
Mar 2015

There are many people here that don't agree with this! We live in South Bend and I am very proud to see business owners take a stand by placing stickers and signs in their windows. Not everyone that lives here are bigots, and they are trying to do what that can to change this. Please don't judge an entire state and the people that live here. And I did vote and it wasn't for Pence.

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