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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK Indiana and Gubner Pence. We will fight your disgusting new Sharia Law.
I sell on eBay. I am now going to refuse to ship to Indiana and I will post the reason on my item description page. If just ONE potential customer gets the message it will be worth it.
I'm challenging others to do your part in your own way.
DUers: This is Hugh! Even George Takai has offered to lead a boycott of Indiana. Let's show the naïve (or stupid) Mike Pence that he has gone too far.
William769
(55,147 posts)Many National organizations are gearing up to boycott the NCAA will soon be making an announcement. Twitter is going viral over that asshole.
Thank you once again for your actions.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)Sorry, no shipping to Indiana due to a new law (as of 3/26/15) that allows legalized discrimination against non-Christian citizens by store owners and other business establishments. We believe in freedom and equality for all Americans and until this law is changed or repealed we cannot in good conscience be a party to any monetary transaction in Indiana.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)And if you can get it, post the law-book notation to the "LAW" - just as a footnote!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And ignore anyone who says it won't make a difference. Individuals have limited means at their disposal, and doing what you can do is preferable to complaining about what someone else is doing.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)Great idea!
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)The Neanderthals don't even realize their taxes will be raised to cover the loss of tax revenue.
Can't wait until a Christian is refused service from a restaurant, bakery, hair salon, or whatever based on any reason the owner cares to come up with. People here are upset. It will happen.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:24 AM - Edit history (1)
that have a racist history. I would not be surprised to see "Whites Only" signs pop up in stores. And it will be perfectly legal.
Delphinus
(11,831 posts)and agree that people are upset. Of course, I tend to hang out with those of like mind, but it's good to hear from all corners.
Cha
(297,323 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Just something to consider if you make a needed percentage of your income from your sales there.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)mostly for non-deliveries or customs holdups. I suppose I will find out if it's kosher to refuse to do business to certain states. I just may call them to get their take on it.
bearssoapbox
(1,408 posts)There is a jewelery, precious metal, gift store in Winchester, IN that me, my wife, brother and some friends have been a customer for years. In my case more than 15 years because they had good prices on Black Hills Gold. We also bought other gold and silver from them.
I called them today after a friend called me that was over there on Thur. afternoon. They were talking to the owner and he said that he supported it and thought pence would make a good president. My friend didn't say anything. He just put his items that he was going to buy on the counter, said that it's too bad he does and walked out. Knowing my friend he probably had a good amount of money he was going to spend as his wife's birthday is April 4 and he's no cheapskate and has a good job.
I called the store, the owner knows me by name and I just came out and asked him if supported the law and he said no. Then he denied that he had a conversation with my friend. I told him I couldn't stand liars and bigots and hung up.
I then called a flea market that we had started setting up in last year ad told them we would be pulling out until the law changed. They offered us a real good deal but I told them I won't spend another penny in that state until the law changes. They told me that 4 others had pulled out Thurs. also.
We were, or to be precise, my wife, is wanting to take a break for a few months then maybe start doing a few festivals that we haven't done for a few years. I'm hoping by then I'll be up and be able to help her. Those festivals are fun to do.
Maybe if enough small vendors around the state do this it'll make a difference. I know I'll be in contact with all that I know around the state to keep up what's going on.
Hit 'em where it hurts.
Chipper Chat
(9,680 posts)"That Indiana Convenience Store might not sell it to you if you look odd."
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Delphinus
(11,831 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)In 2013 alone, the state added $227.6 million to their coffers from ticket sales. Can't find the numbers for 2014, but it's been growing every year.
Very little goes toward education, which might help explain why folks here elect Repubs year after year. The biggest percentage goes to Build Indiana Fund, which mostly benefits pork barrel projects.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)contacting the state Convention and Visitors Bureau as well would be useful.
I had a visitors guide to the state and was looking at doing a photo taking tour of their covered bridges this year. The guide went into the recycle bag yesterday.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Tell them why.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Send the Convention and Visitors Bureau a picture of their visitors guide inside a trash can.
caraher
(6,278 posts)Please do contact the convention and visitors bureau, refuse to shop or travel here, etc. But a big fraction of the folks you would be cutting out are vehemently opposed to sharia law in this state, and this targets them individually.
How about making this positive and outing bigots by announcing orders sent to Indiana will incur an additional $5 surcharge that will be donated to the Human Rights Campaign or some similar cause? That was the idiots who do support this law will be forced to take a pass and the people who oppose it can take a stand.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Takket
(21,577 posts)I'm writing a letter to GenCon customer service telling them I will not be attending until they move out of Indiana. I encourage each of my fellow DUers to do the same!
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Takket
(21,577 posts)GenCon has threatened to leave the state if the law was signed. I am writing them to let them know that I will not attend because of the law an encourage them that they are on the right track by threatening to move (but now they need to follow through!)
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)to let them know that I'm proud of them, but will be unable to attend until their contract expires and they move to a more tolerant state.
Edit: I'm not much of a convention-goer (lol) but I am a huge fan of tabletop gaming. I'll certainly support their business in the future if they do follow through. I admire this sort of courage greatly.
Takket
(21,577 posts)I used to play the star Trek customizable card game when I was younger. No time anymore (and no players locally anyway! lol) but every year a loyal group holds a world championship for the game. last year was Australia (a bit far for me lol) , this year was Gencon. not a long drive from the Detroit area where I live. I was going to make the trip and blow the dust off my cards to play, but not anymore. I won't spend a dime in Indiana.
I really hope that once the business community starts to feel the effect of a boycott that not only will this law be repealed, but hopefully it will spur political change in Indiana, which will help everyone!
AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)I wish I could leave, but can't for economic reasons. We are suffering under a Supermajority in the legislature, so they can pass pretty much anything with no debate. So if I wanted to buy something from you, you won't sell?
Dems in Red States fight for equality on a daily basis and are constantly faced with backlash. Do we deserve that kind of treatment? Are you casting us off as collateral damage?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)caraher
(6,278 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)but I am more appalled then torn.
It seems like yesterday I was standing in an early voting line at the Marion County City County Building waiting to vote. The line stretched across the front of the building (a block) on Market Street, and then down more than a block on Delaware down past Washington Street. 2008, momentum was changing in this state. The GOP congressional delegation flipped D and the state voted for a Democratic candidate for President for the first time since 1964.
What the heck happened here? How did we get to this place? You are correct about the super majorities - and they have grown.
And now they are more backward and bigoted.
In the space of a week - the legislature passes the freedom to ignore laws if you can claim a religious claim (as specious as it might be) law - and the governor signs it into law. The day/night he signs it into law - he admits to press that he can point to no situation in the state to warrant such a law - and then states this isn't about discrimination (then what the h* is it about?). Then we learn that there has been a growing AIDS epidemic in a county - which local officials had been screaming about to no effect, because the holy roller crowd had cast in iron that any program for needle exchanges (despite many scientific studies showing the effectiveness) should be banned, lest it seemed like condoning drug use. When the crisis finally crescendo-ed into the new - in a few days the Governor used Executive Power to allow such a program to be born. How many more people will fall to this epidemic before the time elapse from the Governor's action to the actual implementation of a program begins? How long will we ignore the underlying roots of the epidemic.
Thus I am torn. This is my state. I live and work in two of the more progressive communities within the state.
But our legislature has crossed a new line of reactionary actions - on the one hand supporting those who shriek that there is a danger of Muslim infiltration into legislative bodies (as if!) who will pass Sharia Law - and on the other hand actually pass theocratic laws that put religious doctrine over democracy. In the next moment - we learn of a growing health serious health risk within one of our communities, which has been hamstrung from addressing due to an earlier such law.
I would hate to harm the economy in the state, and even more in my two communities. However, this state has taken a dramatic, and extreme turn to the far reactionary religious right. If the only form of adrenaline shot to the heart (figuratively speaking - per dramatic wake up from a near comatic state) is from a national response ... so be it.
Given the super majorities in the legislature, and our governor's eye on pleasing the Tea Party with presidential aspirations - without such an adrenaline shot, I fear we are only going to have to live under numerous other extremist, ironically Sharia-like (but preference to fundamentalist Christian theology) laws in the coming year. Laws that will take years to twist through courts to be over turned, or negated by future legislative bodies.
I started this post with an enthusiastic hi! I remember you fondly. Sorry that I spent the rest of the post throwing my depressing view of our state's current state of affairs.
Peace,
salin
AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)Don't worry about depressing me - it is so nice to be remembered! You flatter me!
Everything you report is exactly as I remember it - really, what happened?
I will tell you this, and I think this happened in a lot of places. My Dem State Rep. was a very popular, local guy. Ran a real campaign, debated issues, knocked on doors. He beat another local guy. The guy he beat was in Daniels's camp. I can still see the way they behaved around here during the campaign - they were horrid!
Anyway, Daniels made sure that our guy was redistricted out of a job. Poof! Our local Dem's district was gone.
Gerrymandering at its finest.
Depressing.
Great to discuss issues with you, I hope to be around more often!
salin
(48,955 posts)And it sure has had a lasting impact. Dramatically balanced for the GOP - and apparently for the tea party wing of the party.
Agreed, very depressing.
On a personal note - I agree - it is very nice to cross paths, and discuss issues with you!
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)I'll be keeping my gambling in Illinois now.
Wella
(1,827 posts)Hyperbole much?
Trillo
(9,154 posts)Pretty sure that what folks today mean by "sharia law" is "religious law." "Sharia law" does not necessarily mean must have an execution.
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting.
Adherence to Islamic law has served as one of the distinguishing characteristics of the Muslim faith historically, and through the centuries Muslims have devoted much scholarly time and effort on its elaboration.[6] Interpretations of sharia (fiqh) vary between Islamic sects and respective schools of jurisprudence, yet in its strictest and most historically coherent definition, sharia is considered the infallible law of God.[7]
Sharia Law is a significant source of legislation in various Muslim countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Brunei, United Arab Emirates and Qatar. In those countries, harsh physical punishments such as flogging and stoning are said to be legally acceptable according to Sharia. There are two primary sources of sharia law: the precepts set forth in the Quranic verses (ayat), and the example set by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah.[8] Where it has official status, sharia is interpreted by Islamic judges (qadis) with varying responsibilities for the religious leaders (imams). For questions not directly addressed in the primary sources, the application of sharia is extended through consensus of the religious scholars (ulama) thought to embody the consensus of the Muslim Community (ijma). Islamic jurisprudence will also sometimes incorporate analogies from the Quran and Sunnah through qiyas, though many scholars also prefer reasoning ('aql) to analogy.[7][8]
The introduction of Sharia is a longstanding goal for Islamist movements globally, including in Western countries, but attempts to impose sharia have been accompanied by controversy,[9] violence,[10] and even warfare.[11] Most countries do not recognize sharia; however, some countries in Asia, Africa and Europe recognize sharia and use it as the basis for divorce, inheritance and other personal affairs of their Islamic population.[12] In Britain, the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal makes use of sharia family law to settle disputes, and this limited adoption of sharia is controversial.[13]
The concept of crime, judicial process, justice and punishment embodied in sharia is different from that of secular law.[14] The differences between sharia and secular laws have led to an ongoing controversy as to whether sharia is compatible with secular forms of government, the human right "freedom of thought," and in general "women's rights."[15][16][17]
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salin
(48,955 posts)The ease of misapplication in wake of the Hobby Lobby SC ruling indicates a sense by some organizations that this is now the rule of law.
An absurd application - but a real intended application (the test of how future courts rule) will indicate whether we are moving towards a form of Sharia - not the "execution" form referred to by Wella - but in the form that religion trumps secular law (including the Constitution) was when a Catholic Diocese in Milwaukee, being sued for an extreme situation regarding charges against sexual molestation by priests of minors - involving the Diocese liability regarding how the concerns/charges were treated in ways that allowed for future cases to occur - requested a dismissal of the charges under "religious freedom" as indicated in the Hobby Lobby case.
Here is the challenge to watch. Under basic logic - to claim religious freedom per the Hobby Lobby ruling (to my understanding) the Diocese would have to claim that it is part of their religious doctrine - ascribed to by their parishioners - that priests have sexual access to minors - and thus that those actions were protected under religious freedom to exercise their religion. Of course, I know no Catholics (including many family members) who have ever indicated that this is part of their explicit doctrine.
Yet if we have crossed a rubicron to a new dimension - where all (Christian) churches are superior in doctrine and rights to civil rights as explicated in the Constitution, we will have indeed crossed into our own version of Sharia. And at least one extremely far right outlier recently proposed a state propisition in California to mandate executions for gays, and to require vigilante forces to enforce those executions if authorities (local, state) don't enforce within one year. Today this seems absurd. However, it indicates that while there is part of the population that would like religious beliefs to trump secular law (which would have been very fringe 15 years ago), that there is a (presumably small - hopefully) fringe already emerging that would like to legislate executions based on religious (fundamentalist) beliefs over civil law.
Thank you Trillo.