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I found this friends and enemies chart. It does come in handy (Original Post) LiberalArkie Mar 2015 OP
Excellent chart. Raine1967 Mar 2015 #1
by this chart PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #2
And NOT Saudi. Saudi is the regional evil empire, no contest. And allied with.....Israel. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #4
definitely not Saudi. n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #5
Dictatorial and oppressive U.A.E. was the world's fourth largest arms buyer last year....not on the chart. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
I've heard Saudi Arabia funds ISIS lark Mar 2015 #15
ISIS was giving them bad press. alfredo Mar 2015 #22
Not sure this is right re: the US and Turkey. Other than that it looks good at first glance. stevenleser Mar 2015 #3
Turkey is one of those on again off again things LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #7
Ally in name only. They lean pro-ISIS, and if they can't be counted on against ISIS, geek tragedy Mar 2015 #12
Not pro-ISIS, anti Kurd ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2015 #16
Turkey is a full NATO member. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #18
Turkey belongs in the friend set. dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #19
K&R! Thank you for posting. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #8
we fund the country that is essentially committing slow genocide magical thyme Mar 2015 #9
We fund the PA. former9thward Mar 2015 #14
More and more of the west bank is being confiscated by Israel dolphinsandtuna Mar 2015 #20
If Gaza is being bulldozed Hamas is doing it. former9thward Mar 2015 #21
Not to nit, but friendship is not symmetrical erronis Mar 2015 #10
19 Saudis with box cutters do not seem friendly irisblue Mar 2015 #11
I think curtain Corporations and Industries should be listed also. nt Snotcicles Mar 2015 #13
That's pretty interesting. calimary Mar 2015 #17
The ISIS-ISIS nexus should have a yellow face. raging moderate Mar 2015 #23

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. And NOT Saudi. Saudi is the regional evil empire, no contest. And allied with.....Israel.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 12:56 PM
Mar 2015

Why not just withdraw the American Emoire from the whole region and let them sort it out?

Why does America think it has to meddle in everything? Because of it's excellent track record of results?!

Because for some reason it's citizens still manage to tremble in slack-jawed fear as their trillion dollar a year military is not enough to protect them and give cover to folks in lands half a wolrd away armed with pick up trucks, blac flags, total religious madness.....and an Internet connection?

Get over it America, the world is sick and tired of your pretend fear and victimhood.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Dictatorial and oppressive U.A.E. was the world's fourth largest arms buyer last year....not on the chart.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:03 PM
Mar 2015

It is not Islam that is to blame for the violence, it is the bloodthirsty and/or power lusting dictators and cults and gangs that rule the region.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. Not sure this is right re: the US and Turkey. Other than that it looks good at first glance.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 12:54 PM
Mar 2015

And shows how complicated that region is.

Turkey is a member of NATO, has US bases and is a US friend.

LiberalArkie

(15,729 posts)
7. Turkey is one of those on again off again things
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:05 PM
Mar 2015

Kind of like white racist parents having a daughter who marries a black man. It is just complicated.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Ally in name only. They lean pro-ISIS, and if they can't be counted on against ISIS,
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:59 PM
Mar 2015

they really can't be counted on for anything.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
16. Not pro-ISIS, anti Kurd
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

And ISIS is putting a lot of pressure on the Kurds.

I would fault the chart for saying that Iran and al-Qae'ida's relationship is "complicated". That might have been true ten years ago, but these days, it's pretty obvious that they're enemies. The U.S. and Iran's relationship is now "Complicated" instead of being pure enemies.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
18. Turkey is a full NATO member.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 03:02 PM
Mar 2015

Twelve countries were part of the founding of NATO: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom, and the United States. In 1952, Greece and Turkey became members of the Alliance.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
19. Turkey belongs in the friend set.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015

The Gulf states are mostly crazy and we shouldn't have anything to do with them.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. we fund the country that is essentially committing slow genocide
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:52 PM
Mar 2015

against the Palestinian people. Rhetoric aside, I think we pretty squarely stand as enemies to the Palestinian authority.

Until we stop enabling Israel, yellow doesn't cut it. Actions speak louder than words.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
14. We fund the PA.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 02:12 PM
Mar 2015

So I don't see how we "squarely stand as enemies to the Palestinian authority." And there is no "slow genocide" going on. The West Bank, governed by the PA and jointly policed by Israel and the PA, is doing well and is prosperous. The basket case in the area is Gaza which is governed by a terrorist group, Hamas, which murdered its way to power, and is completely controlled by them.

 

dolphinsandtuna

(231 posts)
20. More and more of the west bank is being confiscated by Israel
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 03:31 PM
Mar 2015

More and more of Gaza is being bulldozed.

Israel's policy has been genocide ever since it started. Sometimes their leaders admit it, sometimes not, but anyone paying attention knows it.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
21. If Gaza is being bulldozed Hamas is doing it.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 03:38 PM
Mar 2015

Israel is not in Gaza. Israel has always offered land swaps in the West Bank. Always rejected by the Palestinians who want no two state deal. They want one state and that one without Jews.

erronis

(15,355 posts)
10. Not to nit, but friendship is not symmetrical
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:53 PM
Mar 2015

Just because lots of countries are shown "liking" (god how I hate that facefook word) the U.S., it doesn't mean that the U.S. actually "likes" those countries. Sometimes some country loves another because of its foreign aid but hates it because of its meddling in internal corruption.

And I guess that "friendship" is all based on which entities in which countries. The "intelligence" agencies in many countries actively take out foreigns from friendlies and sometimes even nationals.

And of course, this all shifts hour by hour. One negative speech about some foreign operation might put you in the cross-hairs of an unfriendly.

calimary

(81,511 posts)
17. That's pretty interesting.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 03:00 PM
Mar 2015

Useful too. Simplifies things in some ways. Always helps to see things laid out like that. Sometimes helps you make more sense of things.

raging moderate

(4,311 posts)
23. The ISIS-ISIS nexus should have a yellow face.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 11:45 PM
Mar 2015

Since the ISIS leadership has been killing people who come to join and then want to leave, their relationship with themselves seems pretty complicated to me.

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