MSNBC video of McCaskill: Shooter NOT part of protest movement.

[blm]

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/mccaskill--shooter-not-part-of-protest-movement-413722179547

McCaskill had to correct Mika who intro'd the subject with the Bob McCulloch lie saying that the shooter was 'indeed' a protestor.

McCulloch achieved what he wanted - the press repeating HIS words, even after it was made known shortly after McCulloch spoke, that the shooter was NOT someone associated with the protest movement.

[Thinkingabout]

1. Why would the shooter be out in the streets shooting anyone?

He surely was not a safe gun owner if he is shooting and not aware where the bullets was going.
This shootings needs to stop, innocent people are getting killed and injured.

[NM_Birder]

4. Your point is that someone who shoots into a crowd of people,

isn't a "safe gun owner" ?

Douchebags shooting into crowds have zero understanding of any responsibility, let alone "safe firearm handling".
hopefully he has a long miserable life to suffer in prison.

[NM_Birder]

2. who cares if he was or wasn't in the protest.

this douche bag shoots into a crowd, ......and says "I wasn't shooting at the cops, I was shooting at someone else" as some kind of justification ? Justice will be him rotting in prison the rest of his life.

Pretty tame blm, I thought your thread would be "black youth has WHITE COPS get in the way of his attempt to shoot someone else, now being charged for shooting WHITE COPS when he actually meant to shoot someone else".

Who really cares if he was part of the protest or not ? He shot into a crowd of people. Even though he admitted to firing the gun, but "accidentally" shot the two WHITE cops,......... I will say " the accused shooter",.... personally I hope for the death penalty, that way he can rot by himself for 20 years before appeals run out. Let him think about all the other people he could have accidentally shot, instead of the two WHITE cops.

here is the question to REALLY ask yourself, if he was able to kill the people he was trying to shoot and didn't "accidentally" shoot the two WHITE cops,.....would anyone care ?

[trumad]

3. Death Penalty?

Maybe I missed it---did he kill someone?

[NM_Birder]

9. he shot into a crowd of innocent people . That's enough for me, he intended to kill someone

with a premeditated plan.

You see the difference being "well he didn't kill anyone". maybe he just needs a hug right ?

I don't, ........I see it as " you shot into a crowd of innocent people, you don't get second chances for that level of senseless brutality" Unlikely he will be charged with death penalty, so i will hope for a long miserable rotting existence in prison. I mean come on, how can they prosecute him for shooting two cops ?

[trumad]

17. SO you are advocating killing someone for not killing someone?

Wow!

[NM_Birder]

19. hard to believe ? try this,

For instance,
lets say person one sneaks up and shoots somebody in the head, blows his head in half and he dies instantly.
lets say person 2 sneaks up shoots some guy in the head, but he turns his head at the last second, and only has some of his brain blown away, and lives whats left of his and his families life as a vegetable.

YOU see two different crimes......... I don't

As I actually said, my personal hope is that YES.......i would prefer people who commit premeditated murder are put to death,.... I ALSO think people who commit premeditated murder but are not able to make the shot ARE ALSO PUT TO DEATH.

I also think ...... rape a child = bullet in the ear. Premeditated murder = bullet in the ear. rape an adult = bullet in the ear. Drunk fuckers that kill innocent people = choice, life in prison .......... -or- bullet in the ear...... offenders choice.

Useless, dangerous, violent animals that are unable to be around other animals without harming them are put down, people are JUST ANIMALS, some need to be put down, not hugged and allowed to keep harming innocents.

[trumad]

26. I've seen many like you on the intertubes...

Blood thirsty keyboard warriors more suited for the comment section of local fishraps.

I fully expect a tombstone from the admin in your very near future.

[NM_Birder]

30. who coulda guessed THAT would be your answer ?

Shocked,.......i am not.

You are the one that jumped in with a childish, ......snarky comment. then get all twisted up because you can't say anything to someone who doesn't crumble in the shadow of your greatness.

Alert on me now, .............with the way the jury system works around here its a 50/50 no matter what is said. that's probably the best you got anyway.

Cheers.
and maybe goodbye who knows, maybe you'll get lucky

[rogerashton]

37. NM_FORTHEBIRDS, your comments are offensive on two grounds.

1) No-one has apologized for the shooter on this thread. But you seem to want to cover for the racist liar, McCulloch.

2) Your contempt for the law and for legal limits on the death penalty fits you better for the People's Army than for DU. The bullet in the ear, summary execution, is their method, I believe.

[NM_Birder]

47. Sorry, were you talking to me ?

bullet to the ear is a bit of a graphic description and of course not realistic, sorry if it gave you nightmares.
I'm perfectly fine with electrocution, gas chamber or lethal injection.

I have no contempt for the law, I obey and encourage others to obey the law. this one is going to have you spitting on your keyboard,..... I am pro-police. They are not the enemy, for every incident that is posted about a corrupt and unacceptable officer, there are hundreds of thousands of incidents of police doing thier job and helping to community.

Just like firearm enthusiasts, the 99.5% of the 90 million of us are not gun nut wack jobs.

[atreides1]

56. At what point...

...would you question the law?

I'm just curious, because there are many in history who followed the law, encouraged others to obey the law...and that type of tunnel vision has resulted in millions of people dying!


I'm not pro-police, I'm pro-law enforcement...and at times the two are not the same. You said it yourself, there are times when the police do their job and help the community...if it's their job, why should they expect to be rewarded for it, or recognized for something they are expected to do?

If they go above the call of duty, then by all means reward them, recognize them, have their fellow officers laud their accomplishments, give them the earned title of hero...but in the same light, when they do something wrong, corrupt, and in violation of the law, then punish them, in accordance with the laws they are sworn to enforce.

And if fellow officers lie to protect the corruption in their midst,then just like the getaway car driver...they are aiding in obstruction and should also be punished within the full extent of the law!

[blm]

60. and that's your reason for attacking anyone who thinks it was wrong

for McCulloch to lie to the press when he stated the shooter was one of the protestors?

Ooops….I forgot…You DON'T care. You've said so repeatedly on every post you made trying to convince us that you don't care what lie the press is repeating. Evidently you DO care to protect the lie and the liar and want us to ignore the press reporting the lie as fact.

LOLOL - You do know this is DU, don't you? We don't particularly dig the corporate media protecting the lies of authoritarians like McCulloch.

[NM_Birder]

63. Sorry blm, this is good-bye.

As much as I've enjoyed you, this isn't going anywhere. You have not mentioned the attempted murder once, and we both know why.
that particular 20 year old kid that shot into the crowd of protesters does not further you agenda driven blindness to the whole story. So you ignore it, for the good of the protest news profile. that tells me everything I already knew about you agenda.

Luckily he accidentally only shot two cops, so none of it matters. However, you and I both know that had it been a "different" 20 year old kid that shot into that crowd you would load your pants up in a planck time n-second. you know it, and I know it.

This discussion is over for me. But look up "planck time", it will give you an idea how fast I think you would be outraged by a drive by shooting into a crowd........... by a different kind of 20 year old.

[blm]

67. LOL - of course you do…because you don't know me…at all.

Someone who builds strawmen arguments because he can't comprehend simple statements of disagreement from others, couldn't possibly know the posters he is responding to with his straw man arguments.

You really don't understand the difference between those of us who are pro-law enforcement/pro-police, and people like you who are just pro-police no matter what, do you?

[pintobean]

65. McCulloch didn't lie. The shooter was a protester.

You've gone from splitting hairs (not part of the protest movement) to complete denial. The guy was at the protests multiple times, He was there earlier on the night of the shooting. Any time protester crowd size is estimated, everyone there is counted, not just "the protest movement".

The protest movement has no control over who shows up or what they do, but trying to define the word differently for different situations is bullshit.

[blm]

66. yet protestors are claiming that Williams was not one of them...

including Williams.

[pintobean]

68. A protest organizer claimed Williams said that

after visiting him in jail. If you were to apply a smell test, would that pass it?

[blm]

71. McCulloch has given us reason to question his motives in stating

that the shooter was a protestor without adding the words occasional or someone who HAD protested at some point but was not part of the protest movement.

Why do you suppose it was important to McCulloch to say definitively that the shooter was a protestor?

Your standard for my posts which carry no actual weight in the debate are certainly higher than that which you have for McCulloch who is actually wielding the authority here. Your preference is to accept what McCulloch says and question those who question the accuracy of statements.

Everyone's sense of smell is different. McCulloch smells like roses to some - he smells like a diseased rat to others.

We all think the 20yo shooter is a complete asshat who acted like a dumb punk when he shot into the crowd. We can carry two thoughts at the same time - no one is making an excuse for the dumb punk, but McCulloch isn't St. Gabriel blowing his horn - he's lied before to the press on camera.

[pintobean]

72. You can go to the video

of his press conference. He didn't use the words you wanted him to use.
That doesn't make him a liar.

Scroll down to the second video at the link. His remarks were in response to a question that was posed by a reporter at about the 6:23 mark.


http://fox2now.com/2015/03/15/st-louis-county-police-suspected-shooter-of-two-police-officers-in-custody/

Six and a half minutes in and in response to a question is what you characterize as "important to McCulloch to say definitively".

[rogerashton]

69. Oh, it's very clear what you are!

And I stand by my denunciation of you, only to stress that you are not worthy of my contempt -- but you have it nevertheless, redoubled and in the senior suite.

[trumad]

39. OK tough guy

Now go clean the cheetos off your fingers and set the table for your Mom.

[NM_Birder]

46. My god your wit is impressive............

to somebody i suppose.

[L0oniX]

32. Epic alert fail.

[ieoeja]

35. Start a sub-thread emphasing that the shooter is a "black youth" and the victims "WHITE".

Then double-down by calling the shooter an "ANIMAL". And DU fails to see the blatant racism in that? Does he have to just come right out and call the shooter a "nigger" before DUers see the obvious?

WTF?

[bettyellen]

42. Can't wait to see the jury results on this!

[L0oniX]

31. Jury 6-1 leave it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. We are in punishment fetish La La Land now

Rob a store with a gun? 50 years! 100 years! No parole! Ever!! Twelve years old? Try as adult!!! 60 years!!!! Sociopaths! They CAN'T be rehabilitated. Might as well shoot them!

Death penalty for everyone! Torture them to death! Throw them into rape pits! Castrate them! Kill everybody!!!

We're living in a very sad time. The worst of us are the loudest.

[NM_Birder]

48. you calm now ?

I never said rape pits, torture, castrate and kill everybody.

BUT.... yes, you murder someone ? death. you take someone life with a rape ? death. yes that is my opinion.

Rapists and murders are not able to be "rehabilitated" A rabid dog is put to death, you think you can rehabilitate a rabid person ?
or is rape "accidental", " Oppsie I raped that person, .....my bad I murdered them, ....."teach me to be a member of society, and society can take the risk that i won't rape and murder again".. that's not my thinking. rapists and murderers need to be dead, over, and move on.

[ieoeja]

14. He shot "WHITE cops".

You will notice the poster wasn't concerned about him shooting "White cops". The problem is that he shot "WHITE cops". A point made several times in that one post.

You might want to search past posts before being dragged into a conversation with that poster.

[NM_Birder]

20. he knows what and why I said what I did. but thanks.

[blm]

11. McCulloch made sure to claim he was a protestor and press is repeating it -

Perhaps you should judge those with microphones and camera time instead of targeting me for calling them on the discrepancy.

But…I doubt you would do that.

Your claim about what YOU think a thread by me would entail is absurd and indicative of your narrow-minded views. Just because someone is aware that RW extremists have been increasingly targeting law enforcement in recent years and posts about it as a possibility in a the shooting of law enforcement has convinced you of what you expect from me, eh Birdie?

Try a dash of discernment.

[NM_Birder]

13. Like I said. read it again. "who cares if he was part of the protest"

The douchebag shooting into the crowd is the issue, not the protest.

the point should NOT. BE. THE. PROTEST.
the point is the attempted murder, but....I will say that given the young man in question, I totally understand why anything BUT the dickhead shooting into a crowd of people is what concerns you. I may be wrong, your story doens mention race in anyway, except for the white cop that shot Mike Brown.

The shooter is black, but are the cops WHITE ? I guess I'm just assuming they are. Do you know for sure ? Perhaps you could read my post again and see if you understand what i said.

[blm]

15. McCulloch made the point. Mika repeated it. Who cares? They did.

I am calling it out as bad press practice.

McCaskill did, and I'm glad she did.

Your ramblings are absurd.

[NM_Birder]

18. Who cares ? ....... you do.

Your point is to be sure the Furgeson protest is not lumped in to the shooting. Not that this dickhead shot INTO A CROWD OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Your agenda is all that matters, not anyone or anything BUT your agenda........... you know it, and I know it.
No info on the race of the cops ? guess I'll look into it and let you know what I find out.

I wonder how someone is that unlucky of a shot, to accidentally shoot two police officers in a crowd of people, from a moving car without hitting anyone BUT the two cops ? fucking weird huh ?

what REALLY matters to you is what some bag of doorknobs on a lame cable news show said about him being part of the protest.

I honestly thought that with your post count, and with your intense target fixated motivation for your cause, you would at least TRY to support your real belief. Guess not.

here is where you pretend to not understand what I'm talking about. Christ, maybe you don't, I may have thought you a laser of motivation, when if fact your style is more floodlight.
take care blm.

[LanternWaste]

21. A lot of half-wits like to pretend that concern of A equates to a dismissal of B

"Your point is to be sure the Furgeson protest is not lumped in to the shooting. Not that this..."

A lot of half-witted, sub-literate idiots and bumpkins like to pretend that concern of A equates to a dismissal of B, and I can certainly understand why-- it's simplistic thinking for simplistic minds.

[NM_Birder]

25. "sub illiterate idiots and bumpkins"

That actually made me laugh, thanks.

Maybe you are "the one" to give blm his courage.

[blm]

36. Perhaps someone can 'give' you comprehension skills

since you seem to be running a bit short these days and have resorted to misinterpreting what is written.

[NM_Birder]

49. still nothing huh ?

[frylock]

29. i FUCKING care..

they're associating this guy to the protest to paint ALL protesters as thugs and potential cop killers.

[NM_Birder]

33. here's there differences between you and I.

All the outlets have a few common threads, other than the three points below,....who the fuck cares what Mika thinks.
1 he is in custody
2 he is 20 years old and black, but really what the fuck does it matter what his race is.
3 he claimed to have shot into the crowd, but at someone other than the cops.

i don't get all twisted up by a 24 hours news cycle opinion baloney-fest, designed around the sole purpose of getting you to continue to watch the show, not unlike jersey shore, except with a bigger budget.

the facts are all that matter, people are wasting thier lives arguing bullshit opinions of people being paid MILLIONS to create an opinion that will get you to watch.

be sure and tune in later, you may have missed someones opinion that will piss you off. people who matter, heard the part where he admitted to the shooting, from a car, AT the crowd. People who can't believe the facts are not worth getting upset over, but..... HEY TUNE IN QUICK, you're about to miss someone else's paid for opinion.

[frylock]

40. i don't watch any of those shit shows..

don't know why you would have the impression that I do. I do, however, care about accuracy in reporting.

[NM_Birder]

50. I can't believe you were able to miss the point,.......... but I guess you did

The news IS a shit show. There are Republican news and Liberal news channels,....EACH only reporting the one side of a story they want YOU to acknowledge as the "facts" and spread HALF the information like a virus. When did facts have a political affiliation ? Or are you of the mind that Liberal news is the whole story ? Just like Conservative people think Fox is "the whole story". And the ignorance wheel goes round and round.

The blind ridicule all, for not bowing to the single sided version of whichever "news" channel allegiance is pledged to.
The shit show, was a comparison to the joke that has become "news". Do you always have this difficulty in understanding or are you being clever ?

[frylock]

70. can you point to anyone in this thread that understands whatever point it is..

that you're trying to make? anyone?

[joeybee12]

41. You are so wrong it's maddening...

By lying and saying the shooter was part of the protest, McCullough is spreading the bigger lie that the protestors are all violent...what about this don't you get or don't want to get?

[pintobean]

43. Do you know that he wasn't part of the protests?

[joeybee12]

44. Apparently others do...and the guy said he wasn't...all evidence points to that...and even by trying

to satisfy someone like you, the best one can say is it's unclear he was part of the protest, but you appear to be delighted to take McCullough's lies as truth.

[pintobean]

45. When he said he wasn't, he also said

that he just fired into the air. Would you believe that shots fired into the air traveled 120 yards horizontally and passed through a human head and chest in a horizontal path?
Meanwhile, investigators got tips, interviewed witnesses, and watched multiple videos.

Yeah, I'm going with the pros. That doesn't reflect on any other protesters in any way.

[JustAnotherGen]

51. Not trying to step into the disagreement with Pinto - I'll let you two have at that one

But I'm of the mindset -

He admitted to the crime.

The crime he admitted to was that he was shooting at other people in the crowd - not the police officers.


Unless someone steps forward and states he asked them to move aside so he could aim at LEO - I'm taking his word for it because he owned up to what he did - and only what he did.

And it's a smart move and one I'm sure his Defense Attorney will run with. Everyone - is entitled to a good solid defense. And to do whatever it takes to get out of doing time for a crime they have been charged with.

I learned that at DU in July 2013.

[NM_Birder]

52. You need to slow down and read with comprehension.

I said WHO CARES if he was part of the protest or not. The dude shot two cops, fired into a crowd, tried. to. kill. people. And all most here are concerned with is "was he affiliated with the protest". oh oh oh oh my goodness how will his attempted MURDER of innocent people affect the visual display of a protest ? oh my oh my oh my, how will the news report this to the detriment of the protest. But hey, he did say he was shooting at someone else, from the car, into the crowd. Just lucky he only hit two cops.

here's one you probably didn't know from the "news" of one angle. The night the protests were REALLY volatile, there was a kid MURDERED and thrown in a car, right on the streets where the protests were going on. Bet you didn't know that. Big Al didn't care either. that murder was a black kid, killed by a black kid...... so it didn't further the agenda so fuck it who cares. The true human empathy for the innocent is a joke,..... this has become all about the agenda now that everybody understands mike Brown was not gunned down in cold blood. His pointless death is being used, without any concern about WHY this happend.

Save your self righteous "what don't you get" baloney, ....the violent protesters, ......you remember the ones shooting, looting, and vandalizing ? you do remember that happened right ? those agitators have moved on to the next cause like fucking nomad leeches, nobody has accused the protesters FROM Ferguson of being violent, and rational people know that in a town with ONE cop shooting (michael brown) violence is not the norm.

[blm]

55. We answered you - McCulloch and press cares. We are answering the incorrect

aspects of their reporting. And, apparently you DO care….ALOT…because look at all the energy you're spending in attacking anyone who doesn't accept McCulloch's spin being repeated in the press, the claim that the shooter was a protestor, as fact.

Perhaps you should use some of that energy you have into actually READING and COMPREHENDING what has been written in our posts instead of continuing to argue with the straw man you built on this thread.

[NM_Birder]

59. remember he shot into THE CROWD OF PROTESTORS, the protestors you care so much about ?

naw, no need. nobody cares about the protestors, just the agenda of a protest.

Who the fuck cares if he was in the protest, attempted MURDER is the story. - my opinion.
attempted MURDER into crowd doesn't matter, only the appearance of the protest matters - your opinion.


i get you, I just don't agree with it. Fuck McCulloch, and every other news bullshitter spewing out agenda driven opinion that is lapped up by those desperate to feel informed.

[blm]

61. Horsepoo - We want him jailed accordingly. No one is excusing his stupidity here.

No one is excusing that he shot into a crowd and could have easily hit someone lethally.

We just don't think the authority involved should have lied and stated that the shooter was one of the protestors when he was not. We don't think press should repeat the lie after it was known that the shooter was NOT a protestor.

Now - which part of that simple statement is so impossible for your brain to comprehend?

[JustAnotherGen]

64. post by brooklynite - Attorney: Ferguson shooting suspect didn't target officers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141041570

Article in brooklynites link: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/attorney-ferguson-shooting-suspect-didn-t-target-officers/article_ee51e2bd-7a9b-53a5-9d3c-74d51eaf7444.html

*snip*

Williams also told investigators he was not targeting law enforcement and had been aiming instead at someone with whom he had a dispute, authorities said. But that assertion was met with skepticism by St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch.

*snip*

But Ferguson activist Derrick Robinson said Sunday that Williams told him during a jail visit that he had been robbed earlier on the day of the shooting and returned to the protest zone to retaliate. On Monday, Robinson referred inquiries to Christmas

And then this - Mr. Christmas being Williams' attorney:

Christmas said his client was not a regular participant in demonstrations outside the police station, echoing statements by protest leaders who said they did not recognize Williams as one of their own.

“That little strip has become the hang-out spot,” Christmas said, noting that the area has attracted people besides demonstrators.

If it were me? I would want him (Christmas) for my defense attorney. McCulloch would be stupid to try and get this guy prosecuted for first degree attempted murder of the two police officers when Williams actually admitted to the crime - but not the one McCulloch is trying to press charges for in the press. I bet the guys who robbed Williams never come forward -because then that's an arrest for them too.

[blm]

57. He's dug in to having the argument he wants with the straw man he built

on this thread.

Doesn't even notice that he is the one proving he cares ALOT about defending McCulloch's smear. Shhhh…..he thinks we don't notice how much he cares when he's screaming how much he doesn't care….repeatedly.

[joeybee12]

62. You're right...

And that's why it's maddening...

[NM_Birder]

24. LOL that was a great laugh thanks !

I don't know how else to say this. I. DON'T . CARE. WHAT. CABLE . NEWS. REPORTS. i like engaging real people that don't have script writers for profit.

Jesus Christ, did you just try and imply that this 20 year old kid is some sort of a right wing extremist ?
You not only can't support your true beliefs, you pull that comedic nugget out of nowhere ? seriously, you should do stand up, if you were able to type that without laughing out load.

I know you are apprehensive to engage me in your true racial beliefs, you haven't gotten anyone to give you the support you need to be sure you're not wrong. Inspiring, .......truly.

i don't expect anything from you, I had hoped you would have the courage to support your own beliefs, but you can't, not until someone tells you that what you think is defendible. You know exactly what I'm saying, or at least i would hope you can understand.

thought you had the mustard to be honest about your agenda. I read you wrong, your agenda is not as important to you, as it is a means to try and be popular. Otherwise you wouldn't be so coy, you would be BOLD when confronted about it.

Just so you know, that black kid shot two cops in a crowd of people, from a moving car, and hit nobody BUT the cops. some freaky lucky shit huh ? maybe you're right, he looks a little like a right wing cop hating bastard.

[blm]

53. You really are lacking in comprehension skills, Birdie. Nowhere

was it even implied that this 20yo was a RW extremist.

But, you're spending your energy to stay dug in to making the argument with the straw man you built instead of reading and comprehending the words actually contained in that post.

[NM_Birder]

54. Jesus christ dude,

read your own thread for gods sake !

[blm]

58. Yes - read it, Birdie. And try engaging the braincells charged with COMPREHENDING

what is written.

[DesMoinesDem]

5. But is he a rightwing extremist? Probably.

[pintobean]

7. Huh?

You've got to be kidding.

[NM_Birder]

10. Guess who didn't read, but just wants to be part of racist "outrage"

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. Yup. A 20 year old African-American Right Wing Extremist.

I hear there are lots of them around.

[pintobean]

6. There are a lot of protestors who are not

"part of protest movement." It was a clarification, not a correction. The peaceful protestors don't want this guy associated with them. That's certainly understandable.

[Octafish]

8. Two different agendas.

Ms. McCaskill wants to express the truth.

Corporate McPravda wants to expand the Big Police State.

[hunter]

12. I'll bet that shooter was some kind of Christian... They're all rotten.

[NM_Birder]

16. Nah,

He's just a misunderstood, community involved family loving youth, ......with terrible drive by aim. He "accidentally" shot two cops in a crowd of people, from a moving car, when he innocently meant to have shot someone else.

Shit, that can happen to anyone right ?

[cwydro]

23. What kind of an idiot

tries to shoot someone in front of a police station?

[NM_Birder]

27. the same kind of idiot that shoots into a crowd,

hits two cops, and explains that "well I didn't MEAN to hit the cops, I was shooting at someone else".


That kind of idiot.

[cwydro]

28. Lol.

Indeed.

[immoderate]

38. I see those as signs of some mental deficiency.

I would avoid prejudging the situation. Before his apprehension, many DUers were proclaiming the perp had to be a master sharpshooter to make the shot at that range.

--imm