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This post is from Reddit in this thread.
Years later, what have we really accomplished? A terrorist force is taking over Iraq, and even if the Kurds manage to get their own Kurdistan, the peshmerga are some seriously evil killers. They are on our side, so that's nice. They also beat prisoners to death without trial. Talk to someone who's worked with them, they'll fill you in.
We got ourselves into an unwinnable war, just like Vietnam. And for what reason? Why did my buddies die? Why did so many innocent Iraqis die at our hands? I did a lot of post blast investigations, and sifted through blown up people and buildings. We need better reasons to go into all out war. It destroys people in so many ways. The blown up kids haunt me, among other things. To think of the innocents who were lost, and ground to a pulp by the great U.S. war machine... it's pretty sad. We are really good at destroying enemies (from individuals to entire countries) and we can kill and demolish like crazy.
but why did we do it? Low and behold, for no real reasons at all. That's why I feel dumb. I believed in an empty and pointless cause. I feel used because I'm going through some pretty bad PTSD issues, and the VA has barely done anything. I get an appointment every 3 months, but had to reschedule one so it's been 5 months since I've seen a doc, and my family is suffering from my craziness (shit has gotten real more than once) I feel bad for them, and have considered leaving society for fear of what I might end up doing. And all the VA does is say that I can call the crisis hotline to talk to someone on the phone. Really? A phone call? No. I need a person. I'm haunted every day by something I did... I see those poor kids who were blown up by terrorists every day and night. And how am I repaid? I can't see a psych for my PTSD. I got drugs when I saw her once, but they made me nearly suicidal depressed, so I stopped taking them. That was 4 months ago. My knees, back, and hips are also screwed up, and I've yet to see a doc for any of that. I also do not receive compensation for any of these injuries. That's why I feel used.
GOP are war mongers, and they don't take care of the people who do the fighting for them. Hence, GOP = never voting for them again.
Sorry for the long response. I have more to say, and my elaboration may be full of holes, which I'm willing to fill in, if you care to point any out. I get emotional when I wright this stuff, so my bad if I come off as illogical. Again, I'll sort out whatever doesn't make sense.
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blm
(113,065 posts)power away from the Republicans.
Pretty much as I see it. The alternative is unspeakable.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... but Hillary is really not an acceptable alternative to me.
I may just write in Bernie Sanders.
blm
(113,065 posts)I live in a purple state where every vote matters.
I understand if you live in a solid blue state, but, some of us do not have that luxury.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)That way you can vote against the party that put him in his current situation.
Now your only problem is both parties voted to cut VA funding. Aw crap.
Well, maybe you can vote against the candidate that voted for the Iraq war, and started his current problems.
Aw crap.
blm
(113,065 posts)That leaves me out.
Statistically, more Republicans usually 100% of them are guilty of your claims. Far fear reside in the Dem party. My intention is to grow the numbers of progressive Dems within our party.
You, apparently, want to further the 'no difference' meme for 2016.
As a LONGTIME critic of HRC here at DU, I find your attempt to be more typical of deceptive, sophomoric libertarians than longtime progressives like me and Bernie Sanders.
Actions, including votes, have consequences.
The party's done plenty of actions. Why should they have no consequences?
How are you going to grow the number of "progressive Dems" when you keep voting for centrists? Why should centrists change their course when they get the best of both worlds - corporate money and your vote.
Heck, how are you going to grow the number when you buy into the "liberal = evil" crap that caused some of the party to switch to "progressive"?
blm
(113,065 posts)Your genius button tells you your 'idea' will work out great for this nation, eh?
DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)Write Bernie in if you want, but it is really a foolish idea. If you want the repubs to win, write him in. If you want the Dems to win, please re-think what you want to do. A write in will help the repubs. You will be hurting millions of Americans if you do it.
calimary
(81,322 posts)Glad you're here! It's sad but true what you point out here. We HAVE to unite behind ONE standard-bearer, as imperfect as (probably) she is. Seems to me from many years of observation - the worst Democrat is STILL far better and more desirable and supportable than even the best republi-CON.
REMEMBER: it's not just the candidate himself/herself. It's who they bring in with them!!!
Let's not forget the lesson jeb bush himself is teaching us at this very moment: Let's not forget the lineup of foreign policy advisors he's recruited, featuring THREE other fellow PNACers (not counting himself), up to and including the one and only paul "Iraqi oil will pay for it ALL!!! Won't cost the taxpayers ONE CENT!!!" wolfowitz. Say what you will about Hillary Clinton (and there's no denying she is not a perfect candidate) but she is NOT apt to recruit from the PNAC for foreign policy expertise. Especially when she's had some pretty substantial hands-on experience in foreign policy all by herself.
And besides - she's also not apt to pick Supreme Court justices who will rule against the people time and time again. Just remember what jebbie's dim-bulb asshole war criminal brother stuck us with (the idiot john roberts and the duplicitous asshole samuel alito). Believe me, jeb won't be far behind on THAT score, either. I DREAD the names he'd come up with for the Supreme Court - most dreadfully and frighteningly a possible successor to our Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)I'm going to be silent for now on any policy stuff and just say that. I hope the VA comes through and you get what you need. My thoughts and prayers are with you and with all of our children and grandchildren who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan (and other places we never hear about).
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I apologize - I didn't mean to give the impression that I am a vet or that the above was my post. It was intended to relay a story from someone who posted on Reddit. It touched me, as I know that it touched you, and so I wanted to share it here.
Again, my apologies for giving the impression that the OP was mine.
Thank you and be well.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Stargazer99
(2,585 posts)but I can see this poster has it nailed on the head....I have long felt this way...demonstrated against going to war in Iraq...for that I was photographed in the demonstration I assume by the US government.
The GOP crowd does not have it,s children come home wounded and mentally shredded...you see the foot soldier is a voluntary position..designed for the desperate lower classes trying to make a living as decently paid employment (if decent paid civilian employment was available the well to do would not have the cannon fodder).
When they come home shattered the GOP supports the troops with their mouth not their money. No wonder they feel used!
I heard one Republican woman state after one of our troops complained about conditions "that he knew what he was getting into, did't he?" It amazes me the anti-abortion group who claim to honor life is associated with the GOP....life has value only when it is a zygote or fetus?
When I heard the Republican nomine in the last presidential round state that his sons were serving the country by being involved in his campaign....I almost threw up.yet there are people who believe the snow job from Romney.
My daughter died from lack of medical care in this country. Another poster's son died because the insurance company denied his care. This happens because too many people are blinded by power and wealth in this country....and it is sick...they don't care until it happens to them, I personally wonder what this country uses for brains.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)may I respectfully suggest that you consider joining Veterans For Peace,
or the Iraq Veterans Against the War. For me, being active in VFP is a good way
to partially atone for the crimes in which I was complicit in Vietnam. For many of us,
resisting war is a way to help us deal with PTSD issues.
When I was getting pretty down one time, a wise old vet told me the idea was
to make the war mongers feel bad instead - seriously, it helps my mental state a lot to be
a huge pain in the ass for them.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I apologize - I didn't mean to give the impression that I am a vet or that the above was my post. It was intended to relay a story from someone who posted on Reddit. It touched me, as I know that it touched you, and so I wanted to share it here.
Again, my apologies for giving the impression that the OP was mine.
Thank you and be well.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)More money for Haliburton, KBR, and Blackwater/Xe/Academi.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)allowed the Bush cartel to loot the Treasury.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)I was one of millions that patriotically installed a yellow "support the troops" ribbon and it was on my car for at least three years. What more could a military volunteer possibly want from all of us? And now they have no appreciation for our generous support what so ever.
And the question was raised above; What good was this war and who benefited? I've asked the question on DU and other places before and have never gotten a concise cogent well informed answer. All I can engender is cynical guesses. Which is a gage for just how fucked up the invasion was; no average American can articulate any good that came of it. And if they try it is nothing more than their own personal guesses.
I thought the people that brought us the war, all coming of age or living through the entire Viet Nam era, would certainly not have wanted to carbon copy the entire sad legacy of Viet Nam, another war where nobody knows why we did it and who benefited.
And now we average citizens are expected to make out of our own pocket charitable donations to provide health care for all those Veterans broken by the Iraq invasion? Isn't that entirely the responsibility of the government that sent them in the first place?
But America has learned it's lesson, as 62% of us support an invasion to take care of them dirty ISIS bastards. We as a nation have learned nothing and our capacity for appreciation of the lessons of very recent history are worse than an Alzheimer's patient.
-90% Jimmy