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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:18 PM Mar 2015

Honduras Is Sold as a Libertarian Paradise -- I Went, and Discovered a Capitalist Nightmare

Honduras Is Sold as a Libertarian Paradise -- I Went, and Discovered a Capitalist Nightmare

A glimpse into a society run for the benefit of a handful of the rich and global conglomerates.
By Edwin Lyngar / Salon

Last month, I spent my final vacation night in Honduras in San Pedro Sula, considered the most dangerous city outside of the war-torn Middle East. ...

... There’s a lot of American cowboy culture in Honduras, but along with silly hats, Honduras has also taken one of our other worst ideas—libertarian politics. By the time I’d made it to San Pedro Sula, I’d seen much of the countryside and culture.  It’s a wonderful place, filled with music, great coffee, fabulous cigars and generous people, but it’s also a libertarian experiment coming apart.

People better than I have analyzed the specific political moves that have created this modern day libertarian dystopia.  Mike LaSusa recently wrote a detailed analysis of such, laying out how the bad ideas of libertarian politics have been pursued as government policy.

In America, libertarian ideas are attractive to mostly young, white men with high ideals and no life experience that live off of the previous generation’s investments and sacrifice.  I know this because as a young, white idiot, I subscribed to this system of discredited ideas:  Selfishness is good, government is bad. Take what you want, when you want and however you can.  Poor people deserve what they get, and the smartest, hardworking people always win.  So get yours before someone else does.  I read the books by Charles Murray and have an autographed copy of Ron Paul’s “The Revolution.” The thread that links all the disparate books and ideas is that they fail in practice.  Eliminate all taxes, privatize everything, load a country up with guns and oppose all public expenditures, you end up with Honduras.

In Honduras, the police ride around in pickup trucks with machine guns, ... For individual protection there’s an army of private, armed security guards who are found in front of not only banks, but also restaurants, ATM machines, grocery stores and at any building that holds anything of value whatsoever. ... The country has a handful of really rich people, a small group of middle-class, some security guards who seem to be getting by and a massive group of people who are starving to death and living in slums.  You can see the evidence of previous decades of infrastructure investment in roads and bridges, but it’s all in slow-motion decay.

The greatest examples of libertarianism in action are the hundreds of men, women and children standing alongside the roads all over Honduras.  The government won’t fix the roads, so these desperate entrepreneurs fill in potholes with shovels of dirt or debris.  They then stand next to the filled-in pothole soliciting tips from grateful motorists.  That is the wet dream of libertarian private sector innovation.

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Honduras Is Sold as a Libertarian Paradise -- I Went, and Discovered a Capitalist Nightmare (Original Post) Panich52 Mar 2015 OP
Hillary's work Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #1
Thanks for the link, bvar22 Mar 2015 #3
Yup. As in the ME, HRC stood on the shoulders of giants. nt delrem Mar 2015 #9
I lived there for a year in 1981. THe situation already existed, it's just that it's gotten worse SharonAnn Mar 2015 #11
Swing..... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #14
Thanks for the description and warning of the Honduran Libertarian Paradise gone wrong. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #2
Welcome to America, 2100 A.D. bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #4
^^ This!^^ Marie Marie Mar 2015 #6
2050 at the latest Doctor_J Mar 2015 #10
Given what the right wing is doing at the state local levels all over the place, bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #15
"Libertaian Paradise" is an oxymoron Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #5
It's a paradise for the people at the top. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #13
Coming to a neighborhood near you! Check your state legislature. freshwest Mar 2015 #7
Excellent review, I've often made similar analogies between slums of India and US conservatives whereisjustice Mar 2015 #8
I've read of worse... Archae Mar 2015 #12
Honduras has been a long term, rolling, bipartisan crime against humanity TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #16

SharonAnn

(13,776 posts)
11. I lived there for a year in 1981. THe situation already existed, it's just that it's gotten worse
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
Mar 2015

A country with so much potential but it was still living the government/society of the United Fruit Company (and others) and it has only gotten worse since them.

I won't be surprised if there's a violent revolution there, not that I think it would result in a paradise. It's just that the poverty is unbelievable and the sheer numbers of the people in abject poverty is appalling.

The rich and the military have only strengthened their previously strong hold on anything and everything of value in the country.

The existing constitution was written by the military before they ostensibly left power. And, supposedly, it can never be changed. And in whose favor was the constitution written? You've got it! It was written to protect the military and the very wealthy and to create a democracy that has little power or ability to function as a government.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
2. Thanks for the description and warning of the Honduran Libertarian Paradise gone wrong.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:45 PM
Mar 2015

A nightmare as written. So much for Libertarian free market selfishness, privatization, I've got mine, to heck with you Millionaire Police State dystopia in a naturally beautiful Central American country. Next up Somalia?

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
15. Given what the right wing is doing at the state local levels all over the place,
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:18 AM
Mar 2015

you may very well be correct.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
5. "Libertaian Paradise" is an oxymoron
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:07 PM
Mar 2015

Trickle down economics is a fantasy, and so is the idea that capitalists will make rational decisions for the benefit of all unless the government regulation makes them.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
8. Excellent review, I've often made similar analogies between slums of India and US conservatives
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

People need to see the end result of the unfettered free market by traveling to these hell holes first hand. But maybe they don't. I'm afraid the US has already started an irreversible course to the same destination. I say that because unfounded conservative thinking has poisoned both Democratic and Republican Parties.

Archae

(46,335 posts)
12. I've read of worse...
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:57 PM
Mar 2015

There's a place called "Galt Gulch Chile," in Chile, (naturally,) where Ayn Rand's philosophy was supposed to take root.

Instead it's awash in grifters, con artists and other corruption.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
16. Honduras has been a long term, rolling, bipartisan crime against humanity
Mon Mar 16, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

It is also a clear example of the plan of the interventionist elements at the top levels of government and the template for the neoliberal agenda for all people.

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