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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy White People Freak Out When They're Called Out About Race
http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-white-people-freak-out-when-theyre-called-out-about-raceI can only paste four paragraphs so here they are, but I encourage people to read the whole thing:
SAB: What causes white fragility to set in?
RD: For white people, their identities rest on the idea of racism as about good or bad people, about moral or immoral singular acts, and if were good, moral people we cant be racist we dont engage in those acts. This is one of the most effective adaptations of racism over timethat we can think of racism as only something that individuals either are or are not doing.
In large part, white fragilitythe defensiveness, the fear of conflictis rooted in this good/bad binary. If you call someone out, they think to themselves, What you just said was that I am a bad person, and that is intolerable to me. Its a deep challenge to the core of our identity as good, moral people.
The good/bad binary is also what leads to the very unhelpful phenomenon of un-friending on Facebook.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)...you should not be calling them on race.
Why is this such a hard concept?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)"As if theyre going to give me the one-sentence answer to arguably the most challenging social dynamic of our time. Like, hey, why did I knock myself out for 20 years studying, researching, and challenging this within myself and others? I should have just come to you! And the answer is so simple! Ive never heard that one before!"
Bryant
jen63
(813 posts)in our country are inherently racist?
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jen63
(813 posts)Affirmative Action programs would be attempts to correct institutional racism. But then, you knew that didn't you?
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nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)You did everything all by your oh-so-very-special self.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)How convenient for you...
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BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)when you're ordering
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)But I'll give it better than 50/50 it involved at least one of the following buzzwords: "personal responsibility," "black community," "thug culture," "grievance industry." You could practically play madlibs with some of these guys.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)which is an oldie but goody, and I posted just as it received its pizza.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's not about 'people being racist' (which is actually 'people doing things that are racially bigoted') but the notion that the every day status quo in which we all live in America is racist in so many ways, so by not actively challenging the status quo, we end up reinforcing racism in society, simply by participating in racially slanted systems and treating them as if they are simply 'normal' or 'the way things are'.
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)and welcome back! LOL
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BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)like many (obviously not all) of them do to others without hesitation.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And this is really the most irritating part of all. They just can't see their own hypocrisy.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)They will just plug their ears & jump up & down crying victim. It's a well played game here.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Yep, and the same players play it over and over and over again.
The whole article is fabulous but the end is simply magnificent:
I've often found that to be true as well.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)You know they're coming, hell some of bullshit already started in this thread.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the denials have already begun.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)of the OP, not the content.
Regardless, it is good to post what some find uncomfortable. I am surprised though,
I mean..when anyone is reading an OP, no one knows this..so you have the
autonomy, you have the privacy to read it through and be honest with yourself
and let it sink in and consider it all from another perspective. The OP can't talk
back to you.
Because of that I find the defensive remarks posted very telling.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)time & time again whenever a topic such as this comes up. We've come to expect their petty bullshit & deflection.
Maeve
(42,297 posts)My family has a story--the reason my ancestors moved to a non-slave state was they objected to seeing a slave beaten in public. Yeah, it's a point of pride, but also a point of privilege; they COULD move away, because they were white.
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LeftOfWest
(482 posts)thanks for this post.
They could move away, thank you.
Thank you.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)is what race dividers and baiters do best. :p
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Seems like all you do is complain about your fellow Dems being mean to white people.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And, the thing is, it feels good. Even though it contradicts our most basic principles and values. So we know it, but we can never admit it. It creates this kind of dangerous internal stew that gets enacted externally in our interactions with people of color, and is crazy-making for people of color. We have set the world up to preserve that internal sense of superiority and also resist challenges to it. All while denying that anything is going on and insisting that race is meaningless to us.
'Cause damn, if these two paragraphs do not sum up the repeated and expected wailing and gnashing from certain quarters of DU, then NOTHING EVER WILL.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)That is, reading the article and recognizing so much of what it was talking about had been in threads here at DU, is what made me think it would be worthwhile to post it here.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Spazito
(50,514 posts)Thanks for posting this, it is a must-read, imo. Bookmarking.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)What would your daily life be like if you could just simply give us feedback, have us receive it graciously, reflect on it and work to change the behavior? What would your life be like?
And this one man of color looked at me and said, It would be revolutionary.
Number23
(24,544 posts)If I thought it would do them the first bit of good, that these articles would inspire even the tiniest bit of self-reflection and compassion, I'd post them myself.
As it is, I'm currently very content in the knowledge that the fact that minorities and clued in whites will simply not SHUT THE FUCK UP about the myriad ways that racism in all of its forms affects the world and its inhabitants causes these people to writhe and wail in agony. It's a small thing but even small things can pack a nice impact.
Shes heard it so many times, in fact, that she came up with a term for it: "white fragility," which she defined in a 2011 journal article as a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include outward display of emotions such as anger, fear and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence and leaving the stress-inducing situation.
What? The HELL you say!! I never heard of such a thing!
Join the club, sister.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Good article.
Why some white people freak out...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)someone posts #notallwhitepeople with the illusion of being edgy for using a year-old hashtag as snark. :lol:
I don't blame some white DUers for being slighted with these kind of articles cause it seems so broad, plus it never encourages a honest discussion on race; just people being defensive or snarky with each other. Then again, I don't think online discussions solve anything.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)of the article couldn't possibly ever apply to them. Which then short-circuits any possible introspection.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It doesn't come anywhere close to short-circuiting introspection for others.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)It is heartbreaking but I can not un-see the basic white bias of American culture.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And it's hard to take any piece seriously that uses Facebook un-friending as some sort of guide.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)on *their* privilege.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And for those who once were among the lower classes and no longer are, they probably think, "*I* made it, so why can't everyone else?" Which neglects the fact that, even if economically disadvantaged, they may still have had things many people don't - loving parents, a somewhat decent school system, high enough grades to earn scholarships, etc.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)talking about race, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference -- anything but wealth (the actual source of power) -- and freak out when people get off-message, because it threatens them.
Having people believe that "white people," "men," "straight people," etc. are the problem is so much more comfortable for them.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)talking points, have at it. But I won't be joining you.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)mattered in conferring advantages or disadvantages. If that's not what you meant, then I apologize.
I agree that social class is too often neglected in these discussions. But the solution is certainly not to downplay white, male, or heterosexual "privilege" - we have nothing to gain by denying simple reality.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)class against each other in the interest of the ruling class
divide and rule
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)refused a purchase of an expensive item?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/09/switzerland_apologizes_to_oprah_for_store_assistan_racism/
Money and wealth is irrelevant when it comes to white privilege once the perpetrator sees a black face. It is a centuries-old, institutionalized behavior, that continues to be passed on from generation to generation. In this case, a (in relative terms to the customer) "lower income sales clerk" in a high-end shop in Switzerland felt emboldened enough to deny a purchase to a black billionaire because the item was "too expensive". When the store finally apologized, the store's "excuse" was that the clerk "was Italian".
One of the top racism-denial excuses is that it isn't "race", it's "class". I say, that's bullshit.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/08/10/210574193/why-didnt-the-store-just-let-oprah-buy-the-38-000-handbag
Multi-millionaire actor/director Forest Whitaker was profiled because of his black face, was accused of shoplifting, and as is typical for black folks trying to shop, was monitored, followed, and finally harassed by being patted down as he tried to leave the store.
His "wealth" was irrelevant, but his black face wasn't. And thus class is "irrelevant" when it comes to being a member of a certain demographic.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)"We can't talk about racism until there are no more poor white people" defense.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Salute!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I realized how screwed up we are.
White Privaledge is something we all benefit from, whether we like it or not.
The only way not to benefit is to find a way to end it.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)And on point all the way through.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
You were on your way home when you died. It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me. And thats when you met me.
What what happened? You asked. Where am I?
You died, I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
There was a a truck and it was skidding
Yup, I said.
I I died?
Yup. But dont feel bad about it. Everyone dies, I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. What is this place? You asked. Is this the afterlife?
More or less, I said.
Are you god? You asked.
Yup, I replied. Im God.
My kids my wife, you said.
What about them?
Will they be all right?
Thats what I like to see, I said. You just died and your main concern is for your family. Thats good stuff right there.
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didnt look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
Dont worry, I said. Theyll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didnt have time to grow contempt for you. You wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If its any consolation, shell feel very guilty for feeling relieved.
Oh, you said. So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?
Neither, I said. Youll be reincarnated.
Ah, you said. So the Hindus were right,
All religions are right in their own way, I said. Walk with me.
You followed along as we strode through the void.
Where are we going?
Nowhere in particular, I said. Its just nice to walk while we talk.
So whats the point, then? You asked. When I get reborn, Ill just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life wont matter.
Not so! I said. You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just dont remember them right now. I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. Its like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if its hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, youve gained all the experiences it had.
Youve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you havent stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, youd start remembering everything. But theres no point to doing that between each life.
How many times have I been reincarnated, then?
Oh lots. Lots and lots. And into lots of different lives. I said. This time around, youll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.
Wait, what? You stammered. Youre sending me back in time?
Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.
Where you come from? You said.
Oh sure, I explained I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know youll want to know what its like there, but honestly you wouldnt understand.
Oh, you said, a little let down. But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.
Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you dont even know its happening.
So whats the point of it all?
Seriously? I asked. Seriously? Youre asking me for the meaning of life? Isnt that a little stereotypical?
Well its a reasonable question, you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.
You mean mankind? You want us to mature?
No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.
Just me? What about everyone else?
There is no one else, I said. In this universe, theres just you and me.
You stared blankly at me. But all the people on earth
All you. Different incarnations of you.
Wait. Im everyone!?
Now youre getting it, I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
Im every human being who ever lived?
Or who will ever live, yes.
Im Abraham Lincoln?
And youre John Wilkes Booth, too, I added.
Im Hitler? You said, appalled.
And youre the millions he killed.
Im Jesus?
And youre everyone who followed him.
You fell silent.
Every time you victimized someone, I said, you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness youve done, youve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.
You thought for a long time.
Why? You asked me. Why do all this?
Because someday, you will become like me. Because thats what you are. Youre one of my kind. Youre my child.
Whoa, you said, incredulous. You mean Im a god?
No. Not yet. Youre a fetus. Youre still growing. Once youve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.
So the whole universe, you said, its just
An egg. I answered. Now its time for you to move on to your next life.
And I sent you on your way.
by Andy Weir
January 30, 2010
http://imryanw.tumblr.com/post/362115206/the-egg-by-andy-weir