So, DU, Benghazi. Do you agree there is NOTHING, NOTHING at all to this story

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

other than what we know?

That NO email is going to shed any light on anything?

I will add that the whole thing stinks to high heaven as in CIA, but NOTHING at all that can remotely be thought of as a negative action or inaction by Obama or Hillary or anybody other than the CIA, right?

Do we ALL agree?

[leftofcool]

1. Never was anything to the Benghazi story but I am sure there are DUers who think so

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2. I sure hope they will be honest.

[misterhighwasted]

6. haahaaa..You don't even need the sarcasm thingy for that statement

They follow no laws & rules. Like that Constitution they keep referring to that none of the teabullys or GOP has ever really read.

[misterhighwasted]

3. Howdy Trey Doody will let it rest until he needs to pull a rabbit outta his hat to try to slow

..her campaign down.
This is so freakin typical of Kristol & the Teabilly Gop.

They will NOT beat Hillary Clinton fair & square, I expect to see voter suppression schemes to be ramped up as the year goes on.
Its all they got.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

4. That is the trophy, voter suppression, it will be overwhelming what they will do

[misterhighwasted]

16. I believe that the day she announces her candidacy Dowdy will make a stunning announcement

..and the Kristol, CLinton-hating machine will do this every time she appears in the National spotlight for the benefit of America.

Don't think they will give her one moment to shine without their bought n paid for media will be instructed to apply the full court press on the latest smear he will send them.

I think this is how they will treat Hillary's campaign the whole way through.

I hope the backlash at the polls in Nov 2016 is so great that Dowdy & his hacks are soundly reminded that this country still belongs to all American citizens.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. Benghazi is pure bull shit, but the response to emailgate sucked.

You don't need 2 phones for 2 email accounts. It took nearly a week for her team to come up with an excuse that makes no sense at all and it scares me.

I really am afraid that she is going to be a terrible candidate.

[misterhighwasted]

8. I'm not worried about her being a terrible candidate. Am more worried what the GOP Teaparty tahliban

will do to undermine her.
They are psychopaths after all.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. But she has only won one election and it was an easy one.

She ran a terrible campaign in '08 and her response to this very simple attack was unacceptable.

If she can't handle this then how will she handle the real attacks that the RW slime machine will manufacture for months on end once the campaign starts?

[misterhighwasted]

17. She is "handling" this last one quite well I'd say.

She has moved her announcement date up & is going forward regardless of the blatherings and false accusations of the GOP.
Hillsry has dealt with these same people as long as she's been in DC.
She knows who they are & how they play their sleazy game.

She will do the best she can do.
I wish her well.
She has an enormous following and an equally powerful team that also knows who the Rove, Kristol GOP people are. They have also dealt with them before.
However, she also has an huge fan base that will support her to the end.

[Capt. Obvious]

24. She won two elections

[Motown_Johnny]

26. I stand corrected. 2 elections for the same seat.

but my point is still valid, it would have been very hard for any reasonably competent (D) to have not won those elections.

[Capt. Obvious]

30. Not to mention the gobs of money she foolishly spent the second election

[misterhighwasted]

48. Meh..I doubt SHE spent it.

By the way how much does an election cost again?
Ya. It actually does cost gobs of money.

[Capt. Obvious]

64. Not as much as she spent on that election

$45 Million to squash a nobody.

Bill Clinton's reaction to that: "Spend forty-five million on a Senate race? Whew."

And yeah, SHE spent it. Her campaign spent it.

[misterhighwasted]

66. And so what? Your post is pure Hillary hate & makes no point at all

No point at all in the realm of Campaign Spending. Senate or Presidential races..I don't think Hillary sat there each night & & paid her campaign bills.
What hit statement you have made up.
You honestly hate her that much??

Off to the IGNORE List with ya then.
Have fun.

[Capt. Obvious]

68. No you hate Hillary

And you're hatred is most unbecoming. You should be banned from this community for your vile Hillary hatred. Go join a Hillary hatred board instead of mucking up this one.

Our next President laughs at your hatred.

[pnwmom]

11. Her "excuse" made perfect sense to me.

1. It's a pain carrying around two phones. (I could never get my husband to do that when work required him to have a phone.)

2. If she had two accounts, we'd still have to trust her to pick which one to use for any given email. So we either trust her to decide if one is work-related before she sends it, or afterwards. In either case, she's the one who decides.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. You can access thousands of email accounts on one phone

You don't need to carry two. It makes no sense.

[pnwmom]

15. You couldn't in 2009. But it doesn't matter whether it was one device or two.

She would still be the one deciding whether to use her personal account or her .gov account for any particular email.

[Motown_Johnny]

28. Yes you could. That is like saying 1 phone per web page.

I agree with your second point, which is why the mistake of saying you would need 2 phones is such a horrible mistake. It never had to be said.

[pnwmom]

29. There was a WA Post story explaining that in 2009 the government's

phone didn't allow for two email accounts. So whatever was theoretically possible is really beside the point.

[Motown_Johnny]

35. You need to read that whole story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/10/why-couldnt-hillary-clinton-have-two-email-accounts-on-one-phone/

^Snip^


Obama's former speechwriter Jon Favreau indicated on Twitter that two devices was the norm. "You couldn't [have two accounts on one phone] with WH accounts (and I guess State too) until maybe 2011-12," he tweeted, later adding that "eventually there was an app for your iPhone that allowed you to access your WH emails," and that "you couldn't access Gmail on any WH computers either." Senior administration officials having two phones is still common to this day.

Others offer a different story. BuzzFeed's Evan McMorris-Santoro reported that when he was transportation secretary, Ray LaHood had both government and personal e-mail on one BlackBerry device. Emily Miller, a journalist who was an appointee in the State Department under President George W. Bush, indicated the same, tweeting that "we had both unclassified State email and personal email on the same Blackberry" when she was in the administration.



Update: A document provided to The Post from Clinton staff indicates that none of the e-mail sent to Clinton's personal account was classified. "Classified information was viewed in hard copy by the Secretary while in the office," it says. "While on travel, the Department had rigorous protocols for her and traveling staff to receive and transmit information of all types."

[pnwmom]

41. I did. And I'm not taking the word of a Bushie. n/t

[JaneyVee]

31. Not in 2009 you couldn't. Govt didn't implement that feature until 2011-2012.

[Motown_Johnny]

36. Please see my post #35 n/t

[misterhighwasted]

18. And that's just the jist of this whole false accusations the GOP has drummed up.

Who can ever know what is in ANY of their private emails?
Especially when dealing with organizing the Iran Letter, or BIB's visit.
Seriously doubt all that was put out on .gov emails for the world to someday find out what a bunch of dirty backstabbing hacks they are.
There is no more to the email story than what we already have.

[TheKentuckian]

55. I've got no patience for it being an inconvenience to carry two phones.

The lamest excuse ever. My dog ate my homework is infinitely better that weak ass shit.

I carried a personal, a Nextel, AND a 2 way a lot and no ticker tape parades or key to the city were to be forthcoming for my massive sacrifice and I didn't make anywhere near that pay grade either.

Your husband assumably either was willing to forego personal privacy and was granted permission to use it for personal business or went without a phone for himself and I'm fine with it either way but it has little bearing here.

As for two, stop personalizing the issue and talking about trust the idea is to limit the use of "trust" which is why I believe there should be penalties with teeth for not choosing appropriately and huge rewards and immunity for those that can prove it.

The test isn't if I trust Sherrod Brown or Bernie Sanders, it is if I trust Dick Cheney or Mitch McConnell which I fucking don't yet I don't wish to say an official can have no privacy so as a consequence it is beyond critical to be very aggressive about independent oversight and transparency all the time while accepting the compromise that we will police what we can police, accept some violations will happen and some will never be discovered just like every law, and continue to refine safeguards.

This is the typical anti - oversight, self or no regulation boilerplate logic the right rolls out every time that is more truthiness than truth because people of course do get caught all the time that could have hidden shit and slipped, often absence provides almost as useful hints and evidence as the smoking gun, and if nothing else at all lines on the road encourage people to drive straight.

Before this broke I find it impossible to believe this would require so much discussion and explaining. It is pure bullshit, all the don't give a fuck about/think is pointless/don't really "get"/actually oppose transparency in government records and correspondence were not to be found EVER.

Nobody was claiming they think officials should be the ones maintaining their records or be the ones to decide which are to be turned over, or set up their own domains and equipment for official business.
Never ever and all it says now as any and all talk about transparency was bullshit, just a cudgel to beat up the opposition rather than a legitimate issue.
What else is just campaign doubletalk and gamesmanship? What isn't more importantly? Or is it you think there can be two sets of rules and end up with even one of any use?

Admit less than optimal handling, focus on doing better, say you are sorry, explain a vision for better standards, and call it a day instead of circling ridiculous wagons and making entitled and shiftless sounding excuses.

In a fucked up world it would be a small thing and an opportunity to show some growth if some weren't intent on making it like infinitely nothing or less by pretending to all of the sudden to not get any of this and in many cases now making the opposing arguments.

[onecaliberal]

37. The emails were turned over 2 years ago the republicans including Issa

Has already gone through them. No there, there.

[Motown_Johnny]

38. Agreed, so why make up the 2 phone thing? n/t

[onecaliberal]

61. I don't know. Epic stupid. We all know better.

I think most of us have 2 boxes on our device.

[pnwmom]

7. Yes. This is nothing but a witch-hunt.n/t

[stevenleser]

9. Everyone knows how I feel about it and how I have felt from the beginning. It's B.S. and obviously

so.

[misterhighwasted]

20. All we needed to know, was who printed the first story and that William Kristol's name was attached.

Kristol has been driving the Clinton hate machine since the 90's.

Surprised Ann Coulter & her bff KellyAnn Fitzpatrick haven't been on air spouting their CLinton hate also.
Those old snakes all hang together.

[Thinkingabout]

33. Heard Bill Kristol on Morning Joe the next saying "Run Elizabeth Warren".

The GOP does not have any hope today in beating Hillary so they go the swift boat routine. I speak for myself, I am still behind Hillary, her record and experience says volumes. No, she does not go to TP meetings and say dumb things, sorry, Republicans get a grip, she will not have a GOP campaign.

[misterhighwasted]

42. Kristol said the Run E Warren meme the other day too. But he said it with a sneer. Such a douche

You are correct though. They Got Nothing.

[Thinkingabout]

43. He would like for the DNC to throw in the towel so a GOP could win.

[misterhighwasted]

46. Oh Yes. They will be huddled in their hidey hole think tank from here to election day..

..scheming up anything that demeans Hillary Clinton and whisking it off on their super secret private email server to their beltway media cohorts to run 24/7.
Same crap they did with Bill Clinton
same people, same method, same reason.

I did hear that Hillary has assembled the best team out there, and the finest scandal lawyers in the business.
They are all well aware of what will come from the usual sleaze of Bill Kristol & the GOP.
Been there, Done that before.

Best Luck to Mrs Clinton.

[pkdu]

57. KAF was on tweetie last night

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Benghazi was pumped up by Republian Flatulance and the expression of Issa's wet dream.

There is nothing to it.

[Thinkingabout]

34. Good one

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. Yes.

Next.

[GoneFishin]

19. Agreed. Smear job based on no substance.

[Takket]

21. The is something to the story....

The GOP made an austerity cut to international embassy security and the ambassador is dead because of it.

[Jim Lane]

63. Absolutely the GOP's budget cuts are the story.

I don't know if it's absolutely clear-cut that, with full security funding, the attack would have been thwarted. We can never completely ensure the safety of our diplomats in volatile regions. What is clear is that the media should be looking at that issue.

[Comrade Grumpy]

22. I think there's more to the Benghazi story, but not like the Republicans do.

I'd like to know just what the CIA was up to there. And who it was playing around with.

[NuclearDem]

45. For once, we agree on something.

[Capt. Obvious]

23. There are DUers who believe those emails talk about her

purposely murdering Chris Stevens.

No links. Just going to throw that out there before anyone else does.

[TwilightGardener]

25. Nope. There is more to Benghazi, but not to the attack on Stevens.

I think Petraeus and Co. were up to some hinky shit there. It's what prevents the GOP from fully running with a more penetrating investigation, instead of surface political shit-slinging.

[2naSalit]

40. DING DING DING!!!

That's more likely the truth of it.

And Betrayus' pat on the wrist over his tryst with what's-her-name the mistress (incidentally, how is it that she's disappeared entirely?) and then giving her classified info and how is it he was "placed" as CIA director when he was ousted from him command in Iraq/Afghanistan..?

He sure got off easy on all of those issues which would have imprisoned a lesser individual for life.

[misterhighwasted]

44. There you Go. That's the real scandal in this story. Hillary is their scapegoat.

Typical sleeze from the Reich Wing.

[leveymg]

27. Libya, Iraq and Syria never really existed. Just lines in the sand drawn in Whitehall. Nothing

there at all.

[jberryhill]

32. "Do we ALL agree?"

Now that's a funny question right there.

[Rex]

39. SO SAY WE ALL!

Shhh...you want to get pushed out of an airlock? Just go along with it or the bunny rabbit gets it!

[AtomicKitten]

50. PUT THE BUNNY BACK IN THE BOX!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

51. You dont agree? Then tell us what you think.

I just assumed everyone here knew it was bullshit, maybe not

[jberryhill]

54. If you assumed it, then why ask

My comment was directed at the proposition that all members of an Internet discussion forum regularly engage in universal agreement on anything.

[TheKentuckian]

47. I don't even know what the people that pushed it were/are saying the problem is

The thing doesn't rise to vapor that I've ever processed.

Usually there is a lie or some weird twisting or an accusation or an exaggeration but as far as I've ever gathered this one consists of yelling BENGHAZI! like you would say YATZEE! and stating that you want to know exactly what happened, who knew it, and when while wondering if there has been a cover up.

I guess I'm missing something that would raise this one up to the level of nothing.

At least with birth certificates and Foster murders I know what the fuck is being talked about even if it is insane, stupid, or both.

[tracks29]

49. There is nothing to the story.

I suspect this is yet another thread trying to paint anyone looking for an option to Hillary as part of the same crowd that believes Benghazi was the worst scandal in American history.

As a Bernie Sanders supporter, I'm here to say there is nothing to it and anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot. "Benghazi!!!" has become a national joke along the lines of "Thanks, Obama" as well it should be.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

53. No, the point is Trey and co will use the email non scandal to IMPLY Hillary deleted emails

about Benghazi, if they havent already alleged it.

[sendero]

52. Once in possession of the facts....

... I was and am sure that Benghazi is nothing.

The email thing, I'm not so sure.

[bvar22]

56. Benghazi was a backwater embassy/consulate that was really a front for the CIA.

They were trying to collect "intelligence" and eliminate AlQueda (Black Flag) Radical Muslim leadership that we put in power by "removing" Qaddafi,
and not doing very well.

..just my .02 after observing US "Intelligence" operations in the Middle East for over 50 years.

[amandabeech]

62. We are in agreement there.

No other western country or NGO had any kind of office there, not even the Red Crescent. It was a CIA front all the way.

Why we are still trying to remove scummy Assad from his cobbled together country I'll never know. We should have learned our lesson in knocking off Saddam and Qaddafi--sometimes it takes a total creep to keep things from totally falling apart and landing in the hands of even worse creeps like ISIS. Our Middle East policy is so totally FUBAR and always has been.

[Blue Owl]

58. Turd mining at its finest

n/t

[tularetom]

59. It is possible, you know, to believe Benghazi was bullshit at the same time you doubt

Clinton's response to the email/server/phone questions.

And you can be sure, the questions will not stop until she does a better job of deflecting or answering them.

She might take a lesson from President Obama, who has had to deal with much worse, without ever losing his dignity or good humor.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

60. Bill Kristol is behind the email non scandal, it is bullshit

[Deertoil]

65. President Obama denounced the video to U.N.

Without excusing, in fact condemning, the spontaneous attacks by villagers after YouTube video was released. The only story here is that this is OLD news.

[Orsino]

67. Yes and no.

Benghazi in itself was a bullshit "scandal," but American foreign policy is too malignant for nothing dirty to have made it into the SecState's correspondence. Depending on how much Clinton relied on e-mail for getting things done, there could be a lot of hints and gaffes that could shed light on actual Bad Things.