2 Police Officers Shot During Protest in Ferguson

[daredtowork]

Just heard on news.

This on USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/12/shots-fired-ferguson/70194012/

The police officers possibly from other jurisdictions.

Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-usa-missouri-shooting-protest-idUSKBN0M80CJ20150312

[TheMightyFavog]

1. This is not going to end well...

[Angleae]

9. I'm not sure it's going to end (ever).

[strawberries]

11. welcome to the 60s

Now we have two sets of truly pissed off groups of people
those who call Ferguson their home
and every single cop in this country

What will happen now, my guess, Ferguson will burn down and everyone will be dispersed.

In all honesty, I think the shooter was a plant

[Oktober]

17. Oh FFS....

[strawberries]

24. I don't know what

FSS means

[Oktober]

26. For Fuck's Sake....

[bravenak]

2. They said it came from away from the protestors.

May be a crime of opportunity. Vigilantes. Who knows. I'm checking twitter to see what the people there are saying.

[daredtowork]

3. The news says from a nearby apartment building.

Almost like an assassination attempt.

[bravenak]

4. I heard it was from up on the hill. Near Tiffin.

http://gawker.com/two-police-officers-shot-during-ferguson-protest-1690982814

They have some tweets there from folks on scene.

[applegrove]

5. Vibes that they are okay.

[yuiyoshida]

6. Here

[Tsiyu]

7. I was just thinking the other day, after reading some of the DOJ report,

that the people of Ferguson are very long-suffering people. To put up with what was in that report is just beyond what any community should have to bear. The courts and cops of Ferguson made it nearly impossible for any of the citizens to get ahead. The courts and cops of Ferguson treated the citizens of the town as merely ATMs they could abuse and exploit at will.


And yet, Mike Brown's death was the first murder of the year. ( I consider it murder, YMMV .)

I was thinking that the fact that Ferguson residents hadn't already been killing cops was a testament to their strength and character. What Ferguson PD and Court systems have done to that community is enough to drive anyone over the edge.

I worried that outsiders might read the report and become obsessed and outraged. Human beings - NORMAL human beings - have a visceral, immediate reaction to blatant injustice, exploitation and abuse - which the people of Ferguson have been enduring for some time.

Looks like somebody did just that. But their actions were cowardly and stupid.

I don't like the way some cops see no value in most human life, but I'll be damned if I'll be like that ( except when it comes to greedy sociopaths - they have zero value to me ) . I hope both cops are okay and that some healing can happen soon.

[Oktober]

19. A testament to character that they held off on murder for as long as they did...?

What the hell is wrong with you?

[pintobean]

21. +1

[Tsiyu]

50. Did you read the DOJ report?

Do you have any idea what these people have endured at the hands of cops for years and years and years?

Most any population is going to eventually have enough of evil police and court systems. When you shake down an entire town, sic dogs on kids, destroy people's hope and chances over and over and over, they WILL react.

Some will react violently. The people of Ferguson chose to live with their burden.

One older man still owes over a thousand dollars for a pasrking ticket he got in 2000. That's because if you can't pay your complete fine in Ferguson, they just keep arresting you and arresting you and arresting you. You lose your job, your home, just so a bunch of white people can make a whole lot of money.

Many of the citizens have been paying fines for years on the most petty shit. The fucking municipal judge just MADE UP shite to collect more and more $$$$$$$$$$$$ from people. Cops ROUTINELY violated the 1st and Fourth amendments when questioning or arresting people AND BRAGGED ABOUT IT!!!!


Funny how the white people think it's all good for WHITE citizens to aim guns at law enforcement over cows, but an entire populace should just eat the shit sandwich they've been served for YEARS and never make a peep.

Yes, they are remarkable for not losing it as a community. The cops there are lucky the people went along with the evil meted out on them every goddamned day by the EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVUL FPD.

You and pinto face may disagree. I give them credit for not losing their patience long before Mike Brown was murdered.

[Oktober]

52. It's amazing how far people will go to rationalize their poor morals...

Racism and tacit approval for murder and violence...

Quite a big step...

You seem to be suggesting that inability to pay fines should justify violence... among other thing...

Very disconcerting... tsk tsk..

[Tsiyu]

54. That's bullshit and you know it

Killing anyone is cowardly - cops or otherwise. But human nature is what it is. People will get fed up and do impulsive dumb things. The fact that the people of Ferguson DID NOT means that they are not the evil people that they have been portrayed as being. That was my point.

Funny how cop apologists don't have the same reverence for non-cop lives, though. I bet you don't get the vapors over Tamir RIce, do you? Only cop lives matter, and therein lies the problem.

It's not just fines these people endured, it's blatant exploitation and abuse, tasering, wrongful incarceration, and yes, DEATH.

You came here looking for someone to scapegoat: LOOK: Someone thinks killing cops is cool! LOOK EVERYBODY!!!! But I never justified killing ANYONE. Not the way cops continually justify taking the lives of 12-year-olds, 9-yr-olds and everyone older. THEY justifu death and violence as solutions. I do not.

Put words in someone else's mouth, eh? Or else take your agenda somewhere else.

[Oktober]

55. I don't have to put words in anyone's mouth....

Yours will do just fine...

[Tsiyu]

56. You're just not that clever, sorry

Nuance is a thing. Taking the time to discuss the sum total of an issue is a thing.

You want to point fingers, issue blame and feel all smugly self-righteous.

but you never answered ME, because you are such a sepcial snowflake, and so CORRECT, that you don't have to, right?

Do you believe that some cops have shown a total and complete disregard for human life? Does that bother you? Did you get upset about Tamir RIce, or do you think it's cool that cops pull up and kill 12-year-olds without provocation? Do you believe the violence used against Tamir Rice was justified? If so, YOU are a hypocrite.

All lives matter, and none of us should have to raise a weapon to anyone else. Those who shot at cops are cowardly or they have an agenda, just like you do.

[Oktober]

59. If you have to be nuanced...

... about your opposition to shooting the police, then maybe you should reexamine a few things about yourself.

Sounds like you have quite a few asterisks and qualifiers and 'Yes, buts...'.

[Oktober]

61. Are you suggesting that we should discuss the pros and cons of murder?

That's what you chose to go with to defend your position?

Really?

Okay then....

[MelungeonWoman]

27. Truth. n/t

[Tsiyu]

58. Thanks n/t

[leftynyc]

8. I just heard they were both

conscious but other than that, their conditions are not being talked about. I hope they're okay.

[strawberries]

12. I heard one got shot in

the shoulder, so he will be ok
the other got shot in the face, not sure how that one works

[Sherman A1]

13. ......

Two people were shot and this is your response?

[Oktober]

22. Self- delete won't save you...

You said it... You own it...

Katashi_itto (6,379 posts) We are supposed to be sympathetic?

This Dept systematically terrorized the people it was supposed to serve. Read the DOJ report. The Stasi had better community service.

Obviously this is to Katashi and not Sherman but response to deleted posts doesn't work.

[Sherman A1]

33. Precisely

Well Said!

And I completely understand the need to use my post for your response.

[stone space]

38. I guess I'll respond to this here.

Katashi_itto (6,379 posts) We are supposed to be sympathetic?

The answer is "yes".

[Chuuku Davis]

14. Wow

Just Wow!

[pintobean]

15. Neither cop is Ferguson pd.

Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2015, 08:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Not that it really matters, your comment is disgusting.

[SidDithers]

23. Similar comment from another thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026353055#post1

Sid

[pintobean]

25. Thank you.

Here I thought he self deleted out of a sense of decency. You saved me some embarrassment. I was about to comment on the copy/paste above.

[SidDithers]

30. Finish your sentence...nt

Sid

[cwydro]

31. Yeah,

I'd be interested in the next part of the sentence too.

[SidDithers]

35. They won't...

There are waffles to be made.

Sid

[cwydro]

37. Lol.

I'm afraid I don't get the waffle reference, but I agree we'll never see the second part of the sentence.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. In this thread, that one attacks me and evades all questions as he defends Pope Frank...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024318763

[cali]

32. ugh. your comments in this thread truly suck. and endorsing and advocating violence

is against DU rules.

[TacoD]

43. I remember similar comments when the 2 NYPD cops were killed in December

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025988939#post11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025989175#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025995218#post8

[Bobbie Jo]

45. That one

Has made a number of bizarre comments.

[leftynyc]

16. Frankly

I think you should be ashamed of your post. You know nothing about these cops who were shot - not even if they were Ferguson cops and this is your response?

[Sherman A1]

36. Agreed

and eloquently stated. I will be interested in finding out more as the story develops and from which department(s) the officers were from as I am sure that my city deployed officers to Ferguson as we border Ferguson to the North.

The good news (if there is any to be had) is that they are both at a superb medical facility and will receive excellent care.

[grossproffit]

18. Disgusting.

[romanic]

20. *cringe*

And you thought this opinion of yours was acceptable?

[Cyrano]

29. Who benefits most from this act?

After the scathing DOJ report, the white establishment in Ferguson (and far too many other areas of the country) look bad.

You've got to wonder who would benefit most from the shooting of two police officers. To my way of thinking, it seems that the black community in Ferguson has started to gain some momentum in fixing, and perhaps ending an intolerable situation. Who, in that community would want to give the police and the bigots a chance to point fingers and say "See, We told you so." White vigilantes, on the other hand would have plenty of reason to have done something like this.

We may never know who did it. But you've got to wonder.

[pintobean]

34. The conspiracy theorists?

[Octafish]

40. Because we know that the US Government never engages in breaking the law.

Cass Sunstein told us so and then he told us to forget prosecuting Bush and Cheney.

Government Nanny Censoring "Conspiracy Theories" Is Also Responsible for Letting Bush Era Torture and Spying Conspiracies Go Unpunished

Washingtons Blog, Oct. 7, 2010

EXCERPT...

Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, (Sunstein) argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.

SOURCE w links n details: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/10/main-obama-adviser-blocking-prosecution.html?m=1

Other than that and wars without end for profits without cease, you're right. Just CT.

[pintobean]

42. That term must be magnetic.

[ileus]

41. White agitators I knew it!!!

[Skidmore]

46. That was the discussion over breakfast in our house when we first heard the news this morning.

Why now? Who gains by trying to keep the community in turmoil? It does not make sense for these shootings to occur now.

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. And the protestors, knowing that CT chuckleheads will inevitably go this route,

figured that they might as well open fire, because they will be well-defended by a chorus of "You have to ask..."

So, who benefits, indeed.

[Matrosov]

48. Something interesting

It's said the muzzle flashes were over 100 yards away. That's not a range at which the average person can accurately hit targets with a handgun.

Unless the shooter was firing randomly and just got lucky with hitting two police officers, it is much more likely that a rifle was used. It sounded like a semiautomatic one at that.

A redneck with an AR or AK wanting to cause trouble for the African American community in Ferguson is not out of the question.

[Travis_0004]

57. It was a handgun round that was used

I dont think hitting a man sized target at 100 yards is too difficult, especially if the officers were grouped together

Also there are rifles that use handgun rounds (they are called carbines (or a pistol caliper carbine to be more accurate.), so its still possible a 'rifle' was used

[tenderfoot]

51. The right benefits.

as most acts of violence do.

[bigtree]

39. a protestor's perspective

From a 'family' feeling at Ferguson PD last night, to near calamity - A protestor's perspective

(could use a kick or two, and a read, as well)

[pintobean]

49. Local TV reports both have been treated and released.

They still have a long way to go though. The Webster Groves cop still has a bullet lodged in his skull.

[B2G]

53. Guy's a walking evidence locker

I was shocked they were both released so soon...