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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 03:00 PM Mar 2015

Gov. Brownback ponders why people leave Kansas! The comments are better than the article.

Gov. Brownback really needs to get a grasp on how he has destroyed Kansas. In this article he ponders solutions for people leaving Kansas. Perhaps he needs to read "What Happened to Kansas." Like DUH!

The comments on the article are indicative of how people feel about his governorship.

http://cjonline.com/news/2015-03-08/brownback-standing-rural-incentives-program-after-lawmaker-skepticism

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Gov. Brownback ponders why people leave Kansas! The comments are better than the article. (Original Post) RKP5637 Mar 2015 OP
you'd think people would be flocking to his Randian Paradise Enrique Mar 2015 #1
And he wanted to be president of the US so he could implement his grand RKP5637 Mar 2015 #4
We left... onyourleft Mar 2015 #8
No reason to stay in a neo-theocratic cestpool where Dawson Leery Mar 2015 #2
the majority of voting Kansas residents fully approve of his policies. The destruction of Kansas is msongs Mar 2015 #3
In which case they deserve EXACTLY hifiguy Mar 2015 #25
I often wonder fredamae Mar 2015 #5
Let the States who voted them in collapse so they can be Exhibit A for how not to govern. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
We need more cult deprogrammers. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #10
Yup, kickstart or gofundme campaigns to help liberals relocate to blue states. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26
Maybe they will donco Mar 2015 #7
Here's an especially poignant comment... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #9
"arguably the main reasons" only because we have left that myth stand. ieoeja Mar 2015 #11
Yes, those would be the rules of Throwback: Tyranny, Incompetence, Draconian Law Enforcement Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #14
Should be a college course, that. Octafish Mar 2015 #22
Platinum or golden Wheat? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #23
Dorothy and Toto were the first undocumented immigrants from Kansas. They were ahead of the curve. kairos12 Mar 2015 #12
I really can't imagine well educated youth wanting to move forward in life staying in what RKP5637 Mar 2015 #15
In my nightmare I imagine Brownback pedaling by in the tornado saying "I'll get taxes and the kairos12 Mar 2015 #18
TOTO'S Desk turbinetree Mar 2015 #13
i think he is trying to make up for the shortfall- KrazyinKS Mar 2015 #16
'What's the Matter with Kansas?' WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #17
Is KS,,, Cryptoad Mar 2015 #19
The people of Kansas elected just what they wanted a failed state. Let the people now suffer. The rladdi Mar 2015 #20
"When will the GOP actually get thrown out of office for being so incompetent." My fear is many RKP5637 Mar 2015 #21
Same reason the rats leave sinking ships. hifiguy Mar 2015 #24
Many in Kansas are robots, they just vote, and that vote is republican, no brain function RKP5637 Mar 2015 #27
I read the Thomas Frank book several years ago hifiguy Mar 2015 #29
Bingo. When you wonder how these jackasses get elected calimary Mar 2015 #28
The comments are by people who can write Warpy Mar 2015 #30
I loved the comment about... 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #31
I have lived in this state for 22 years...... Logical Mar 2015 #32

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. you'd think people would be flocking to his Randian Paradise
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

such a waiting list to move to Kansas that only the cream of the cream would be allowed in. But instead...

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
4. And he wanted to be president of the US so he could implement his grand
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 03:49 PM
Mar 2015

ideas across the entire US.

msongs

(67,421 posts)
3. the majority of voting Kansas residents fully approve of his policies. The destruction of Kansas is
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 03:28 PM
Mar 2015

ok with them nt

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
25. In which case they deserve EXACTLY
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

what they are unquestionably going to get and then some. Insanity is doing the same damned thing over and over while expecting different results. Fuck 'em all.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Let the States who voted them in collapse so they can be Exhibit A for how not to govern.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:08 PM
Mar 2015

Then maybe the 65% of voters who did not vote will figure out that not voting is the prime reason for the insanity of the Cristofascists pining for Maria Law and believing that the Bible as both an economics and science text.

And that merely voting is the easy solution.

Vote. Vote or accept the insane Mullahs of America style of non governing caused by not doing so.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Yup, kickstart or gofundme campaigns to help liberals relocate to blue states.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
Mar 2015

Preferably 'light blue' states to darken them up, or to pink pockets in blue states to flip them blue.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
9. Here's an especially poignant comment...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 04:37 PM
Mar 2015

"Joe Hyde 03/09/15 - 08:32 am 50Repeal the 2012/13 tax laws
I suspect the 2012/13 tax laws are having an effect on not just resident workers but also prospective incoming W-2 workers, an effect that could be likened to a slow-acting poison.

Salaried workers in Kansas are now compelled by law to shoulder virtually the entire tax burden to fund state operating expenses, while the owners of whatever businesses they work for...their bosses don't have to pay. I can't believe the fact is lost on wage workers, that our present taxation scheme duplicates the historical abuses of the British Empire. After all, the tax abuses and social caste system injuries that flowed from Imperial control were arguably the main reasons why American colonists fought the Revolutionary War.

My point being: What is the allure of Kansas if staying here, or moving here to seek jobs, locks W-2 workers into becoming wage slaves not just to their business owner but to the state government itself?"

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
11. "arguably the main reasons" only because we have left that myth stand.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

Prior to what we Americans call the French & Indian War, there was very little British military presence in North America. And that was confined to either ports or in forward positions facing the French. After the war the British military took up occupation of Canada which was to be expected. But they also spread throughout the British colonies and assumed policing duties.

In short, American colonies were now under a military occupation.

Thereafter ensued all manners of grievances as always occur during a lengthy military occupation. Illegal arrests. Too much force. Abuse of authority. Draconian punishments.

It is no coincidence that the Black Hole of Calcutta came into existence shortly after the American Revolutionary War.

This was coupled with the introduction of a strict constructionist administration in Britain. The White Pines law reserved all White Pines in North America for the British Navy. This law was enacted when the British thought North America was an island. When the true extent of the continent was known, the law fell into disuse. The new administration decided it had to be enforced even though it was unnecessary and burdensome on the colonists. For no reason other than “that’s what the law says”.

The Stamp Act provided the same function as Notary Public laws do today. And it had been in practice in the British Isles for a century. So why did it upset the colonists so much? In this instance the Stamp came in the form of an embossed paper rather than an ink pad. The seals for embossing the paper were secured at the manufactory, and a single corporation was allowed to produce this embossed paper. Extending the Stamp Act to the colonies meant the manufacturer had to double production while increasing their distribution system by a factor of 10,000 x. They could not accomplish this in the time allotted.

Obamacare ran into a similar problem. The ACA did leave time for everyone to prepare for it. But many corporations ignored it after being ensured by Republicans that the ACA would never be enacted. After Romney lost, these corporations found themselves without enough time. Obama took pity on their foolish belief in the GOP and delayed enforcement of parts of the ACA. This is what the administration of King George III should have done about the Stamp Act, and was asked to do. But, again, “that’s what the law says”. So it was enforced with disastrous results.

To protect their sugar growers, Britain enacted an unaffordable export duty on French sugar. To protect the domestic liquor industry, France did not allow their sugar growers in the Caribbean to produce rum. British sugar growers found rum to be far more profitable than the raw product. And as Britain had no law preventing it, that is exactly what they did. With British raw sugar in short supply, the export duty on French sugar was ignored. With cheap French sugar in abundant supply, North America imported it in great quantities. Then came King George III who enforced the duty because, “that’s what the law says”.

When colonists did oppose a tax, it was usually the reason, not the actual tax they opposed. The reason was the Crown’s attempt to make the colonists pay for the military occupation of the colonies! So Massachusetts boycotted the Tea. The Crown, to protect the British East Indies Tea Company, not because they wanted the tax, told the Massachusetts Bay Colony Corporation that it must purchase the tea. Then dispose of it as it saw fit. The Colony took the Crown to court and won. Which would have been the end of it had some idiots not come up with the brilliant idea that “the Colony can not be made to pay for the tea if the tea no longer exists” and decided to steal and destroy the tea. The exact same judge who ruled in favor of the Colony previously, ruled in favor of the Tea Company afterwards because the Colony could be held responsible for the safekeeping of the Tea Company’s ship while in its harbor.

It wasn’t the tax. It was almost never the tax. It was the incompetence. And heavy handed law enforcement. In fact, if you read the list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence, the three categories into which each item could be grouped has Tyranny, Incompetence and Draconian Law Enforcement as the top 3 categories.

Tax is mentioned once.

Tax can be “arguably the main reason”. But it’s a weak argument. “Taxation without Representation” just sounds better and fits on a bumper sticker.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
14. Yes, those would be the rules of Throwback: Tyranny, Incompetence, Draconian Law Enforcement
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

and Taxation without representation.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
15. I really can't imagine well educated youth wanting to move forward in life staying in what
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

Kansas has now become. There are far too many alternatives in life to put up with that crap in Kansas.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
18. In my nightmare I imagine Brownback pedaling by in the tornado saying "I'll get taxes and the
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:45 PM
Mar 2015

little health care you can afford too." While spewing teabags out of his bike basket.

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
16. i think he is trying to make up for the shortfall-
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:40 PM
Mar 2015

by redoing the way farm property is taxed, which would raise their taxes. I am sure that will go over like a turd in the punchbowl. Forgive me I don't know the details, I did not have the stomach to finish the article in our local newspaper. Just last week he is going to redo funding school districts with block grants, which would lower funding for the poorer districts while the richer districts are still sitting pretty. Well, we know who is buttering his bread.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
19. Is KS,,,
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:46 PM
Mar 2015

one of those Freedom to Work States.... Freedom to Work for Free,,,, They use to call it slavery,,,,,,,,

rladdi

(581 posts)
20. The people of Kansas elected just what they wanted a failed state. Let the people now suffer. The
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:49 PM
Mar 2015

sad issue is that a few other Republican governors are following in Gov. Brownback ways. Undermining the budget and creating a failed state. Just this past week in Arizona for the new budget, the GOP stole several billion from education and transferred it to private prisons. Guess they think prisons are more important then education. To me education keeps people out of prison. The serious matter is that to build several new prisons, they will have to fill them up. Who are they using to put in those thousands of prison cells? Private prisons is a failure and AZ found that out in previous years. When will the GOP actually get thrown out of office for being so incompetent.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
21. "When will the GOP actually get thrown out of office for being so incompetent." My fear is many
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:21 PM
Mar 2015

American voters are woefully naive and continuously propagandized to vote in their own worst interest. Someone in some thread, for example, was telling me in unenlightened parts of Kansas they are told all of their woes are Obama's fault and gov. Brownback is forced to make the decisions he does because of Obama ... and apparently they believe the propaganda.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Same reason the rats leave sinking ships.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:56 PM
Mar 2015

But if that many people hate him, how did he get re-elected?

There must be plenty of dolts who voted for the shitheel.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
27. Many in Kansas are robots, they just vote, and that vote is republican, no brain function
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:23 PM
Mar 2015

involved, it's just a knee-jerk reflex.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
29. I read the Thomas Frank book several years ago
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:27 PM
Mar 2015

and what you say is true. A 'puke could tell Kansans that he would start processing them into soylent green the day after his inauguration and the nincompoops would still vote for him.

Maybe when such gross stupidity has consequences some people will wake up. Probably not, though.

calimary

(81,350 posts)
28. Bingo. When you wonder how these jackasses get elected
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

then you HAVE TO look at the voters. And figure out what they're being force-fed and from where and from whom.

AND you have to look VERY hard and very sternly at the voters who felt like staying home on Election Day and conceding defeat before even trying to put up a fight. Or insisting on the perfect, turning their noses up at the merely good, and then winding up getting saddled with the horrifying.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
30. The comments are by people who can write
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

The people who elected him are largely the ones who forgot how to write as soon as they left school. Fortunately, they're also the people feeling the worst of his bad policies. The problem is that talk radio is telling them that Drawback isn't the reason for school consolidation, rutted roads that are no longer being graded, and slashes in other services, it's those mean old Dems in the lege who refuse to reduce welfare payments to one Cadillac per recipient.

Koch Industries is still headquartered in Wichita. Those old bastards aren't going to give up on their fascist experiment in Kansas as long as there are enough fools who get all their information from AM radio to keep it going.

3catwoman3

(24,013 posts)
31. I loved the comment about...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:45 PM
Mar 2015

...Brownback "selling polished turds." A turd with any other finish is still a turd, and Brownback has a truckload and enough voters bought them.

Caveat emptor.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
32. I have lived in this state for 22 years......
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

this state is full of idiots.

In 2008 the polled voters said the state was going in the wrong direction and the GOP controlled everything!!! So what did they do, they voted in more GOP idiots.

I love my neighborhood and our school district.

But they are trying to ruin the schools also now.

I ask people why they vote GOP and they don't have a real answer. Just like "lower taxes". But no details.

Most voters are totally uninformed.

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