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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:19 AM Mar 2015

US Unemployment at Lowest Since 2008 - but Young People Still Can't Find Work

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/28961-us-unemployment-at-lowest-since-2008-but-young-people-still-cant-find-work

The US economy is booming. On Friday, the Commerce Department announced overall US unemployment had fallen to 5.5%. Yet the unemployment rate for young Americans rose to double digits last month. Unemployment rate for those aged 20-24 years old was 10% in February – up from 9.8% in January.

Even on this snowy day, dozens of people were milling around at The Door, discussing their studies and legal issues, job training and placement services. In this economy, they need all the help they can get.

The majority of people at The Door are African American. The recession has left them even further behind. In the last quarter of 2013, the unemployment rate for African Americans aged 16-19 was 29.6%. For those aged 20-24 it was 18.9%.

The overall unemployment rate can be misleading when it comes to youth unemployment. The headline number does not account for those who have given up looking for a job altogether because the opportunities are so few. Those who have given up are often referred to as “missing workers”. According to Alyssa Davis at the Economic Policy Institute, there are about 1 million young missing workers – under 25 years old – and if they were included, the unemployment rate for young Americans would be closer to 16.2%.

Over the past year the number of employed young Americans has gone up by almost 400,000, to 14.1 million.

Janeé Garrett, 24, is one of those who was able to find a job last year – thanks to The Door. It took her six months. The first four months she tried searching on her own.
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US Unemployment at Lowest Since 2008 - but Young People Still Can't Find Work (Original Post) eridani Mar 2015 OP
I have to keep saying this.. sendero Mar 2015 #1
don't forget us older folks... chillfactor Mar 2015 #2
+100 marym625 Mar 2015 #3
You took the words right out of my mouth. SmittynMo Mar 2015 #8
How strange - they can be paid less and replace some 50 or older treestar Mar 2015 #4
There is a large labor pool & not many people hiring JonLP24 Mar 2015 #11
employers want young but experienced Amishman Mar 2015 #12
And a lot of those jobs are less than full time. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #5
my son has to live with two other people and... steve2470 Mar 2015 #13
most of the jobs that used to be for young people (part time, min wage, no benefit) are Doctor_J Mar 2015 #6
"Thing have improved overall for the top 5% - TBF Mar 2015 #10
There are at least some jobs.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #7
Nobody wants to mention Sick_of_TP Mar 2015 #9
damn kids won't get off my lawn, neither! KG Mar 2015 #14
I know of two McDonald's around a similar time JonLP24 Mar 2015 #15
Reduce SocSec age to 50yr. CK_John Mar 2015 #16

sendero

(28,552 posts)
1. I have to keep saying this..
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 05:57 AM
Mar 2015

.... as long as interest rates are at zero the economy is on life support. It's really that simple, you can forget all of the other numbers because they are all cooked.

Of course, the zero interest rates are not a cause, they are the treatment. They are not working all that well but the Federal Reserve only has so many tricks.

Everyone seems convinced that they are about to raise rates. I'll believe it when I see it. They might raise .25 or even .5, but that still leaves interest rates in the basement.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
8. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:55 AM
Mar 2015

60 here. Unemployed for the past 2.5 years. Have witnessed age discrimination several times during interviews.

I have given up.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. How strange - they can be paid less and replace some 50 or older
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 06:33 AM
Mar 2015

according to most of what I've seen on DU.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. There is a large labor pool & not many people hiring
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:34 AM
Mar 2015

so certain things are used to weed out all these people narrow these selections, it various business to business person to person I just mean applications. I can think of several reasons when summarily dismiss someone older, probably unpredictable health issues may arise, also odds favor long term talent depending on what they're looking for. It is all about perceptions & this likely affects the younger population if it is "experience" they're looking for. Regarding younger population which I fit into, I know the long-term gaps aren't good or the limited stuff you can put on your resume. I had an easier job finding work before the military than after but it was so much easier to find a job online back in those days, now all seems dominated by get rich quick schemes, sales, or for-profit colleges ads.

I remember this type I took a temporary job for landscaping at a mobile home complex, I was advised the last guy was let go because he was apparently slacking. I get there, I was 18 at-the-time so she was a very old woman, assumed by mentioning that I appeared young, strong that I should be able to tackle the weed problem unlike the guy before me who has probably in his 40s. Too old was her explanation, a couple of hours into it a couple hours into it one of her employees comes up & says it doesn't matter what I want do, fuck off, go grab a sandwich, whatever no matter what I do she isn't going to keep you. He said the person before me worked his ass off, did a damn good job given the state of their weed problem but I kept at it. These weeds were like 6 feet fall, some areas where like a weed forest, hacked those sections away, loaded it dumped it went back. By 11 am she cruised by, dismissed me on the spot said I didn't eliminate enough of weeds in that time afraid. I certainly didn't take breaks but her employee had a lot of examples regarding her demands for impossible like if there is 1 vacancy she makes a big deal as to why there isn't 100% or ordered to fill it but it isn't that easy.

Though that wasn't what I really meant when it hiring reaches the face-to-face phase than it is all about the personalities & appearances as well as well saying things they want to hear presented in all the right ways or stuff that doesn't matter in whether they can actually do job. I have failed at interviews which is something I know can't do over jobs I know I could do because I've done them before, (passed the job task test which granted me the interview, plus I did the same job before with not a single letter QC gave back to me.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
12. employers want young but experienced
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:12 AM
Mar 2015

They don't want to be a person's first full time job or their last.

It will only get better for recent grads and the silver haired crowd when employers can no longer fill almost all openings by cherry picking those in the middle.

I have about eight years experience in my field, and I get headhunters seeking me out on LinkedIn. My fiancee has almost the same education and background, but her only experience is a few internships. She can't even get an interview for posted openings.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
5. And a lot of those jobs are less than full time.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:08 AM
Mar 2015

They're starting to pay $10/hr here but it's still not a living wage. Rents are pushing $1000 per bedroom so a $400/wk gross paycheck says you spend 75% of your pay just for a place to sleep.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. most of the jobs that used to be for young people (part time, min wage, no benefit) are
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:28 AM
Mar 2015

now taken by adults who are expected to raise a family on those terms. Things have improved overall but still really suck for most people

TBF

(32,071 posts)
10. "Thing have improved overall for the top 5% -
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 08:21 AM
Mar 2015

at best". Everyone else is scrambling to make ends meet.

There, fixed it for you

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. There are at least some jobs....
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:43 AM
Mar 2015

My company has been trying to hire machinists throughout the recession. Wh manage to pick one up now and again, but we can't seem to get any junior machinists that are worth a damn. Our shop is small, so we can't support an apprentice program, but if we expand, we will probably set one up.

The local CC has a program, but their good students tend to get snapped up, and their other students have worked out well.

Sick_of_TP

(21 posts)
9. Nobody wants to mention
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 07:55 AM
Mar 2015

Kids don't have the same spunk kids had long ago. Have you ever been to Dunkin or McD for a coffee or something? The oldest person behind the counter runs to the counter to help you. The youngest kids can't see you like you are invisible!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. I know of two McDonald's around a similar time
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:23 AM
Mar 2015

That openly made jokes or critiques about consumers walking in, how many hand burgers they sell is meaningless in how it affects their pay. This was one of those 2 McDonald's around the same time but new faces constantly replace the ones that were there -- http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/mesa/valley-family-claims-razor-blade-found-in-daughters-mcdonalds-happy-meal

I'm not sure how much if it is older younger person issue. As a cab driver a lot of more difficult customers were older people. I dropped a fare off in Apache Junction, turn the dispatch computer on fare pops up right away. I had difficulty navigating around the construction to get inside the senior community which residential home style places only have a few entrances but it would be impossible for me to be on time when the medical voucher pickup time was called since the fare which actually was actually accepted an hour after that. I tried to explain how it all works but she was just "I come from a different time" "where being on time meant something" Apache Junction is a bad place to look for fares so unlikely it was sitting an zone with no taxi cabs around (there is usually a page or 2 of open fares you can "chase" but it is ends up taking longer than it appeared) I just happened to have a medical voucher take me there drop him off, turn it off, boom it hit up. She even inquired if I was a teenager when you have to be at-least 23 for the company.

I get to drop off while the whole time she is giving me shit for being "late" & insulting my youth, when I drop her off she tells what time she'll need to be picked up from the appointment and asked if this was an early enough advanced warning for me showing she really had no clue how it worked (she was a medical voucher those fares are only done through the radar zone dispatch system) whenever I'm taken toward Apache Junction, the first thing I do is start driving west.

Sunday is a notoriously slow day, it isn't profitable to even take it unless it is a free lease (if you worked Mon-Sat) so I often caught what I call "freeway fares" I happen to drive into open fares that sit so 5 minutes after I caught one I was at the location, called once -- knocked, called again anger. She accused me of being 5 hours late, I mentioned I got here 5 minutes after I received the fare which pissed her off more she was late to her job & that she was going to report me to my supervisor hung up. Though she wasn't an older voice from what I can tell, it was odd how often cab drivers were accused of not picking up fares they don't want to pick up or taking their sweet team to arrive at one when it isn't like a hourly job. Time is very critical, I learned mistakes cost a lot of money. I accidentally touched 24th street instead of avenue, I thought it was an unusually long trip for a fare until I closely examined and realized my error. Over an hour spent for a $6 voucher.

I do remember I accidentally a very similar named street on my GPS and I was driving back roads looking for Fry's, realized my error but was experienced at this point but having a lot of personal bizarre problems, stuff I couldn't script. Make it back, she was very polite in greeting but I know she was waiting a very long time with groceries. Load up, explained the error she said now that you mention I was too happy about that but never made an issue of it. I never liked angry customers but they angry over a legitimate error (usually it is the system, not the driver) Arrived, do the unloading I'm unsure of the specific issue but it wasn't a typical "I don't have enough or I'll pay you the rest if you write down your number which 0 followed through on that one" but I think he had a bill too large he needed to break but I felt bad about how inept I didn't feel I earned the $5 but mentioned how long it took that I charged it as free but what was so unusual is he came back with quarters to cover the flag drop fee. A lot of people don't realize how much the driver is ripped off in addition to themselves, if you no show a fare before it is no show for you (if a customer calls & cancels a fare then if dispatch is on top of things cancels the fares but usually they change their mind or get their friend to give a ride without telling anyone but still take the $2.45 hit. I can't count how many times my motives were questioned, especially when the credit receipt printer malfunctioned which was often but needs their signature or even a copy is good enough to get me paid but without it but the company requires a hard copy to pay the driver. It shows up, the cut a break for first timers or mentioning the well known paranoia that usually follows an urgent request to hard copy their credit card right after they swiped & paid. One mentioned, who was already very suspicious mentioned an authorization number or something like that which was exactly what I had to write down on the slips.

A airport run, same issue but after the hesistation & paranoia his wife says screw him we have a plane to catch but I'm like begging how important it is that he does this because I really need that $45 fare. So glad I don't do that anymore, it was like gambling. Either you were lucky or you weren't & without a couple of decent cash/credit fares you had to work to cover the lease + flag drop fees + gas + $3 wash + whatever else not to mention the assholes, fare evaders, the "regulars" which all have ripped me off, the half-payers, etc the older population always paid though typically AHCCS paid for the fair .90 a mile but only a .50 flag drop fee or those City of Scottsdale coupon things which encouraged me to stay away from Scottsdale during the day time.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
16. Reduce SocSec age to 50yr.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 09:27 AM
Mar 2015

Raising the minimum wage is not the answer although needed, when productivity is not producing enough jobs for the adult population.

Technology is replacing workers faster than the population coming of age, thus we need to provide a safety net at an earlier age.

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