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G_j

(40,372 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 06:56 PM Mar 2015

Obama Administration Sides with Hunters over Protection of Gray Wolves

Last edited Sat Mar 7, 2015, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)

fuck!!!

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/obama-administration-sides-with-hunters-over-protection-of-gray-wolves-150303?news=855838


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FWS filed court documents with a Washington, DC-based court of appeals saying it opposed a federal judge’s decision to restore legal protection for gray wolves in the western Great Lakes region.

The Obama administration is joined by two states, Michigan and Wisconsin, which also objected to U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell’s ruling in December that said the states’ management plans for the wolves don’t do enough to protect the species. Howell’s ruling also applied to the management plan developed by Minnesota. The plans in all three states allow sports hunting; in Michigan and Wisconsin they also permit the trapping of wolves.

FWS spokeswoman Laury Parramore told the Associated Press: “The science clearly shows that wolves are recovered in the Great Lakes region, and we believe the Great Lakes states have clearly demonstrated their ability to effectively manage their wolf populations.”

But Howell believes more needs to be done for the animals.

The judge wrote that the Endangered Species Act (pdf) “offers the broadest possible protections for endangered species by design. This law reflects the commitment by the United States to act as a responsible steward of the Earth's wildlife, even when such stewardship is inconvenient or difficult for the localities where an endangered or threatened species resides.”

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We, the undersigned, are concerned with your plans to appeal a federal decision to restore endangered species protections for Michigan's grey wolves.

As you may know, Michigan's wolf population grew from only six in 1970 to a little over 600. Research shows that wolves play a crucial role in maintaining the ecosystem. Natural predators like wolves help control moose and other herbivores that demolish wildlife habitats. Remains of wolves' prey provide food for scavengers and enrich the soil, which combats climate change.

Michigan cannot afford to lose their wolves again due to overzealous hunting and trapping. We respectfully urge you to reconsider your plans to fight endangered protections for grey wolves. Thank you for taking the time to read and consider our petition.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/653/775/667/michigan-dont-fight-endangered-protections-for-grey-wolves/?




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Obama Administration Sides with Hunters over Protection of Gray Wolves (Original Post) G_j Mar 2015 OP
State and federal wildlife agencies (mostly funded by hunters) have successfully pipoman Mar 2015 #1
yea, like using dogs and traps G_j Mar 2015 #2
Thus wildlife management... pipoman Mar 2015 #3
right, those latte drinking environmentalists G_j Mar 2015 #4
Is it surprising that big business controls government agencies and policy? pipoman Mar 2015 #6
signed & kick hopemountain Mar 2015 #5
damn. nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #7
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. State and federal wildlife agencies (mostly funded by hunters) have successfully
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 07:55 PM
Mar 2015

Recovered many species through effective game management. This can be said about wolf projects as well as many other wildlife restoration projects. Wolves will be around forever, nobody wants them to be wiped out. The majority of wildlife restoration for the last 100 years has been funded by hunters and/or hunting advocacy groups..

G_j

(40,372 posts)
2. yea, like using dogs and traps
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:07 PM
Mar 2015

with no underunderstanding of how entire packs can be collasped by their ignorance. I've seen these goons smiling with their dead wolf trophies. Fuck them!

http://www.northalberta.com/uploads/image/wolf-hunts-north-alberta%20(7).JPG

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Thus wildlife management...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:19 PM
Mar 2015

Hunters pay for wildlife habitat in most states. In my state hundreds of thousands of acres are in natural habitat instead of cleared and farmed because of hunting. Our fish and game department is the only state office not receiving a cent of tax money while maintaining over one million acres of public grounds ranging from state parks and lakes to wilderness. The money from hunting and fishing licenses exclusively. The same money that paid for wild turkey restoration, waterfowl habitat restoration, treating chronic wasting in deer, treating the coyote mange epidemic, the list goes on and on. Most of those most outspoken about such things don't spend a single cent for wildlife, they just sit in their suburban wastelands caring as long as it doesn't cost them anything....

G_j

(40,372 posts)
4. right, those latte drinking environmentalists
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:28 PM
Mar 2015

scientists/biologists just sit around and complain..


http://www.endangered.org/killing-wolves-a-hunter-led-war-against-science-and-willdife/

Killing Wolves: A Hunter-Led War Against Science and Wildlife

Posted by: Mitch Merry, Endangered Species Coalition

2014: Idaho Fish and Game recently hired a bounty hunter to try and eliminate two packs of wolves in the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness, one of the largest wilderness areas in the United States. Idaho hunters have organized wolf-killing competitions and killer co-ops to pay trappers to kill wolves. The state legislature and governor declared wolves a “disaster emergency” and have allocated $2 million to killing wolves. More recently the department conducted secretive aerial shootings of wolves from helicopters with no public knowledge or input and spent $30,000 to kill 23 wolves. Idaho Fish and Game is doing this and more in an ongoing effort to appease many ranchers and hunters to protect livestock and maintain artificially high and unhealthy numbers of elk for hunters to shoot at. One of the cornerstones of our “North American Model of Wildlife Conservation” — which hunters and hunting-based organizations love to tout and claim to support — is that wildlife, all wildlife, be managed based on good, sound science. That good, sound science shows that the return of wolves to much of the western United States has resulted in significant overall, long-term benefits to wildlife and the habitat that sustains them — including the species we love to hunt. (Check out: “How Wolves Change Rivers.”) Credit USFWS

Elk populations are increasing in most of the West. In Idaho, the fish and game department is expanding elk hunting to reduce elk populations while simultaneously killing wolves under the guise of protecting and boosting elk numbers. Where elk populations do appear on the decline there are plenty of factors to consider in addition to wolves: Changes in habitat; the previous existence of artificially high elk populations at levels beyond the viable carrying capacity of the land; lack of mature bulls and low bull-to-cow ratios in herds (often resulting from early season hunting and too much hunting pressure on bull elk) which influences the timing of the rut and breeding behavior, the timing of spring calving, and often results in increased vulnerability of elk calves to predation; influence of other predators including mountain lions, black bears and grizzlies; unanticipated impacts of various hunting regulations and hunting pressure, and changes in behavior and habitat use by elk in the presence of wolves. And more. Where I hunt, the growing presence of wolves has changed the behavior and habits of elk. Elk bunch up more for safety, and move around more to evade and avoid wolves. They are a lot more wary. I have adapted and adjusted to these changes and have no problem finding elk.This is part of the beauty and value of hunting within wilderness — to adjust, adapt and be part of the landscape; to be, as my friend David Petersen put its, part of the “bedrock workings of nature.” We render the wilds a diminished abstract when we alter it to suit our own needs and desires and, in the process, make it less healthy and whole. There are those who espouse the virtues of backcountry hunting and yet seem apathetic or supportive towards the destruction of backcountry integrity. Those who understand the wilds know how critically important predators are to the health of the land; to remain silent about the nonscientific, politically-based killing of wolves in the wildest of places is to be complacent towards the degradation of what we claim to cherish.Yet hunters, in general, hate and blame wolves for pretty near anything and everything including their own lack of skill, knowledge and effort in hunting elk. Science is shunned and ignored. David Allen, the executive director of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, a national hunter-based conservation organization, claims wolves are “decimating” elk herds and calls wolves the “worst ecological disaster since the decimation of bison” despite research funded by the organization that shows otherwise. Most of what many hunters claim to know and understand about wolves and wolf and elk interactions is based on myths, lies and half-truths; they rapidly and angrily dismiss logic, facts and science as coming from “anti-hunters,” “wolf-lovers” and “tree-huggers” from “back East.” Most hunter-based conservation organizations and state agencies avoid the topic for fear of being pegged “one of them.” Many actually help perpetuate the lies and half-truths to boost and maintain membership. Some try to come across as reasonable by stating that they think wolves should be managed just like other wildlife, such as elk.

But wolves are not elk; being a top predator they have altogether different, and self-regulating, reproductive and survival behaviors and strategies. “Other” wildlife, such as elk, are managed based on science — based on what we know about behavior, ecology, breeding behavior, habitat use and selection and other factors. Wolves are being managed purely based on politics driven by ignorance and hate. Many hunters and others in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho long advocated for the delisting of wolves from the Endangered Species Act and turning management over to the states. It happened. And now these states — particularly Idaho — are doing what they can to kill as many wolves as possible, science be damned. Idaho is proving over and over that their state cannot handle the scientific, sustainable management of wolves. No public agency should have the power to decide such things as Idaho Fish and Game is doing with so little public accountability and oversight. They are acting on behalf of a small, but politically-influential segment of our population based on pure politics, lies, myths, misconceptions and half truths about wolves and ignoring what we do know about wolf biology, ecology, behavior and interactions with and impacts to elk.

As an avid and passionate hunter in Montana (who has killed and eaten 26 elk over the years) I am absolutely disgusted that no hunter-based conservation organization — most of which claim to support and defend sound, science-based management of wildlife — are speaking out against this slaughter which is a clear violation of the North American model of wildlife management these organizations claim to uphold. At best, many hunters and hunting-based organizations are remaining silent for fear of being ostracized; at worst, most hunters and hunting organizations are supporting this. More and more I feel like an anti-hunter who hunts. It’s embarrassing, appalling and outrageous. Even groups I support and respect, including Backcountry Hunters & Anglers, the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and National Wildlife Federation are ignoring and avoiding this clear violation of science-based wildlife management and our North American Model of Wildlife Conservation they claim to uphold and defend — I can only assume as to not upset their membership base. As Aldo Leopold so aptly put it more than 50 years ago: “The sportsman has no leaders to tell him what is wrong. The sporting press no longer represents sport; it has turned billboard for the gadgeteer. Wildlife administrators are too busy producing something to shoot at to worry much about the cultural value of the shooting.” I am growing increasingly disgusted and angry towards my so-called fellow hunters, and most hunter-based organizations, for continually talking “Aldo Leopold” and the “North American Model” out of one side of their mouths while ignoring or even supporting this sort of political, nonscientific “management” of a critical keystone, umbrella wildlife species that plays a critical role in shaping, maintaining and influencing healthy wildlife and wildlife habitat for all species — including the species we love to hunt and the habitat that sustains them. This is one of the flaws of our current and mostly good system of wildlife management in which states generally have full authority over managing their wildlife. State fish and game departments, such as Idaho Fish and Game, are overseen and controlled by state politicians and game commissioners (who are often ranchers and hunters) appointed by politicians — and the hunting and ranching industries have more influence over state decisions than others. Aldo Leopold, widely considered the “father” of modern wildlife management, warned against such things more than 50 years ago. A recent report about the flaws of the North American Model summed it up this way: “The scientists also express concern that the interests of recreational hunters sometimes conflict with conservation principles. For example, they say, wildlife management conducted in the interest of hunters can lead to an overabundance of animals that people like to hunt, such as deer, and the extermination of predators that also provide a vital balance to the ecosystem.” It needs to change. More than half a century ago Leopold wrote: “I personally believed, at least in 1914 when predator control began, that there could not be too much horned game, and that the extirpation of predators was a reasonable price to pay for better big game hunting. Some of us have learned since the tragic error of such a view, and acknowledged our mistake.” We still haven’t caught up to Leopold. If we hunters truly believe in sound, science-based wildlife management, the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation, and the ideas and principles preached and promoted by the likes of Aldo Leopold, then it is time to speak up.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
6. Is it surprising that big business controls government agencies and policy?
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 09:38 PM
Mar 2015

As with nearly every other public interest, the interests of rank and file are secondary to those of special interests...no shock there, there are plenty of other examples more insidious than this....nobody likes it..

By far most rank and file hunters are huge conservationists whether it is based in greed, or because wilderness is what causes them to go out into the woods for days at a time in all sorts of adverse weather conditions. Marginalizing the vast resources responsible for the recovery of virtually every game species from dramatic lows leading up to and following the depression is simplistic and not historically accurate..

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
5. signed & kick
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 08:33 PM
Mar 2015

that photo of the hunters with a stack of wolves is disgusting. imagining their karma coming back on them is the only justice they will ever see. i curse them.

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