Dem record on economy is good enough to boast about relative to Republican Great Depresssion

[uponit7771]

...created by conservative econ ideals like trickle down and deregulation

The overt FUD meme on DU now isn't about Hillary, even though it's prominent these same voices said similar things about Obama in 2008... just different subjects, ... there's even a thread on it... it's like FUD is just is repeating whatever they said 6 or 7 years ago and replacing Obama with Hillary...

That's expected....

What's NOT expected is for a SECOND DEM PRESIDENT the DNC and the left is falling for the "Economic Sky Is Falling and it's dems fault" meme

a SECOND time

The FUD meme on the economy is dangerous because they're trying, and due to dem silence and not CONSTANTLY tooting their own horns, and succeeding to a degree in convincing democrats that because the economy is not 100% fixed for the middle class (relative to the downturn) ... then it isn't worth talking about or.. that's it's worse than what Obama inherited

That's the same trap FUD got Gores staff to stay quiet on in 2001, "Bush will do the same thing his father did to the economy" should've been the theme of the Gore admin.. it wasn't because Gore et al bought into the "economy sucks" meme vs looking at the before and after facts and touting them to high heaven...

Bottom line:

A republican broke Americas economy for the middle class

A Democrat is repairING the economy for the middle class slowly but surely and imperfectly.

AND HELL NO, the parties are NOT the same on this issues.... Neither is perfect but adult life isn't full of perfect choices...

FUD will dwell on the imperfect... and be silent about what's been fixed and what's working now...


DEMS SHOULD NOT FALL INTO THIS TRAP!!!


Your take?

tia

[think]

1. Obama does deserve credit for keeping America afloat after the GOP almost sank the ship

And it is too bad other Dems did not make this part of their 2014 campaign. Instead many distanced themselves from Obama and LOST.

Cheers...

[RobertSF]

3. Who do you mean when you say "America?"

Obama certainly kept the bankers afloat. He kept Wall Street afloat, but Main Street is still flooded. And his push to pass the TPP isn't going to help. It will destroy 10 times more jobs than NAFTA did.

[think]

4. America in general. After what Bush did it could be a whole lot worse. Agree it isn't finished

and more should have been done for the American people rather than banks.

But given the state of American politics it is surprising he accomplished what he did.

America is pretty dysfunctional politically.

As for the TPP I agree. I'm no fan of it and hope it never passes in it's current form.

[uponit7771]

6. So your overall view is Obama's policies made NOTHING better? tia

[RobertSF]

2. I'm sorry but I can't agree

Bottom line:
A republican broke Americas economy for the middle class
A Democrat is repairING the economy for the middle class slowly but surely and imperfectly.

This view assumes that we are still a republican democracy with two parties with opposing views contending for power. This view ignores that we are a plutocracy and that the two parties are simply part of a front designed to give the illusion of democracy.

A Republican president didn't break the economy. The plutocracy broke the economy while both parties either looked the other way or actively helped.

And a Democratic president is not repairing the economy for the middle class. In fact, economic inequality has increased under President Obama. I'm not saying that's his fault because, just like I don't blame Bush, I know that what's behind it all is the plutocracy.

Over the past 40 years, adjusted for inflation, the middle class has lost ground while the working class has slipped into poverty. The class of great wealth, however, has gotten far more richer. This could only be possible with the collusion of both parties.

In fairness to both parties, they have no choice. To win national office, politicians need millions of dollars in campaign donations, and those can only come from the wealthy. Yet the wealthy aren't going to pay to see their own fortunes crumble while the middle class prospers and the working class enters the middle class. So the only way politicians can get donations is by pledging on bended knee to protect the interests of their Funding Fathers.

This TED talk by Lawrence Lessig is very illuminating.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim

[uponit7771]

8. I don't believe that the two parties are that similar in essence or intent, dems aren'tr trying to..

...take away peoples voting rights

[kentuck]

5. I think a good question for Republicans would be?

"What will you do differently from George W Bush?"

[uponit7771]

7. Yeap, without this question people will forget

[Orsino]

9. We might want to minimize some of the Dem complicity...

...in the legislation that led to the Great Recession.

But, goddammit, Dems have repeatedly proven to be significantly better stewards of this unsustainable system, and we should run on that.

[uponit7771]

10. Even in the Great DEPRESSION dems were complicit that doesn't mean they stayed that way and

... that's ONE of the deliminators FUD doesn't want to talk about.

Yeap, 100% better and conservatives know it

[Jamaal510]

11. If I could piggyback on this point:

Neither is perfect but adult life isn't full of perfect choices...

None of the political parties are perfect, not even the 3rd parties (seeing as how they are all man-made). One of the things that I learned about politics the past few years is that there will very rarely be a candidate running for office who I will agree with 100% of the time (regardless of party), whether it's their policies, their tactics, or both.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, if two people 100% agree on everything 100% of the time then somethings wrong...