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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn 200 years, no foreign leader has ever addressed Congress to denounce the President's policies,
much less while sensitive negotiations are ongoing, and the leader is in the midst of a re-election battle.That's what will be happening tomorrow, and that's why all the Democratic members of Congress should be boycotting this media event.
http://www.ktvn.com/story/28241222/foreign-talks-to-congress-often-a-yawn-but-not-netanyahus
WASHINGTON (AP) - Given anywhere else, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech Tuesday wouldn't cause such a fuss.
But a foreign leader denouncing U.S. policy from within the grand hall of American democracy upends nearly two centuries of tradition.
A joint meeting of Congress, gathering senators and representatives together in the House chamber, is a ceremony typically bestowed on one or two friendly foreign leaders per year. It looks a lot like a presidential State of the Union address. The speaker embodies his or her nation; the audience of lawmakers represents all Americans.
Unity and shared purpose are the standard themes. Standing ovations are a given.
"It establishes there is a strong bond between the two nations," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. "In that context, a speech that provokes controversy at home or abroad is problematic."
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This Congress has set all kinds of records for futility and ineptitude. They absolutely hate Obama and will do everything in their power to undermine him, including colluding with foreign governments to undermine the President.
What do you call it when an American citizen colludes with a foreign government to undermine the United States?
There's a word for it....
George II
(67,782 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and you may be right about the republicans but this shows it's not hurting Bibi at all - in fact, his numbers have increased with Democrats and Republicans:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/netanyahu-favorability-speech
And according to a Gallup poll released Monday, 45 percent of Americans view Netanyahu favorably, up from 35 percent in 2012.
Sixty percent of Republicans said they view Netanyahu favorably, while only 31 percent of Democrats do. But Netanyahu's favorability has still improved among Democrats, despite their opposition to his speech this week.
Netanyahu's favorability has gone up 6 points with Democrats and 10 points with Republicans since 2012.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)It won't register one bit with the american public because republicans are doing it and democrats are fecklessly cowering in a corner, scared of their shadows over it.
If a DEMOCRATIC congress did this shit to a republican president it would be the most treasonous thing ever committed in the history of the entire universe.
Even greater than the current most treasonous thing that has ever occurred - a president getting a blowjob.
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Republicans whether they be terrorists or politically treasonous live by different rules than us folks.
After this, "It's O.K. if you're a Republican." could probably be upgraded to "Anything's O.K. if you're a Republican." (AOKIYAR).
randys1
(16,286 posts)kimbutgar
(21,148 posts)Boneher and Bibi are traitors. And I hope Bibi gets soundly beaten by the opposition as blowback to this stunt. Haters eventually get called out.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Not a disaster, though. Please, something good for Obama, like maybe the US military will "get" Jihadi John.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a definition, no - it is not treason which is aiding and abetting an enemy of the US.
albino65
(484 posts)Apparently they really don't get it.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)that they are afraid of offending a part of their constituencies.
albino65
(484 posts)From speaking to a number of friends, they are still offending their constituencies. We may not be rich, but we can be vocal.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Only Republicans are, as far as Boner et al are concerned.
and THEIR focus is on ignoring the President, as well as all Dem. voters.
There can be no other possible translation of what the Congressional Repubs are doing.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He just may become a decent Speaker. Doesn't look like he is capable of doing his job. Inviting Netanyahu was an in your face jab. From what Netanyahu was saying today he seems to be lowering his attack but we know his history. Not sure about his opponent but it would not sadden me to see Netanyahu lose his election.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)This should be illegal.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)how Israel is doomed Nation. I guess the Republican Christian don't beleive Jesus meant what he said..........
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Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Jesus was antisemitic ?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death
-Revelation 21:11
The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
-Revelation 21-8
If you're going to "throw the Bible" at folks at least throw it at the right ones.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)not the book of Revelations which most scholars do not agree as to whom wrote it. but most agree it was somebody named John but not the Apostle John. It is not even included in all Christian Bibles for that very reason. On the other Hand,,, what is contributed to being words of Jesus in the Book of Matthew is has been crossed referenced and cited by other ancient writings. Chapter 10 covers most what I said --not to throw up to anybody but these self proclaim Christians Republicans whose hypocrisy is too great not to point out!
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The U.S. Constitution didn't go in to effect until the first Wednesday in March, 1789.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)whopis01
(3,514 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)And as such it is open for debate.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)atreides1
(16,079 posts)He's a politician who has been put into a leadership position, while it is true that Boehner is a politician...there is still much debate on the subject of him being a leader!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I will send it to any member of the House who yells out "You lie!" during Netanyahu's address.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)The GOTP is welcoming Netanyahu almost to the point of kissing his ass in public -- and that may be coming.
Don't they understand he represents a nation with universal government-paid healthcare that also pays for abortions?
I'm confused.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)of Oligarchs and Sociopaths .
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)to understand anything other than:
"if Obama for it, I'm agin it"
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)i've never seen anything like the way this President has been treated. from joe wilson yelling 'you lie' at the President
to this intrusion into the administrations' foreign policy.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)Obama is an African-American.
No other words needed
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)The same thing KKK robes are made of.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)malaise
(268,998 posts)plain and simple
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That the head of a political party that incited race-riots against tel Aviv's African community and regularly endorses and funds attacks on Arabs might maybe be bigoted against a black guy named Baack Obama?
That's just crazy talk.
<cough>
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is that millions of Americans will now question our subservience to the Israeli lobby and will pay more attention to what actually goes on in that country. I hope "the special relationship" is severely damaged as a result of this affront to American sovereignty and that the political bootlickers who attend this national embarrassment are made to pay for it.
AwakeAtLast
(14,125 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)In 200 years, no one has ever yelled out "You lie!" to the President of the United States during a speech given before a Joint Session of Congress... Yet it happened with this President.
And I know that on DU, there are those who think that "other Democratic Presidents" faced similar disrespectful crap, but by golly, nowhere near what this man and his family have faced 24/7/365 over the past 6 years.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Yet her confirmation hearing is also dripping in the racist mess fueled with attacks on her as if she was literally Eric Holder incarnate. Can't win.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)and the GOP are experts at it!
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)wow. If she is elected, the Republicans will stoop to new lows in their language.
calimary
(81,267 posts)She WILL get this, assuming she wins. MORE disrespect. Her biggest fault will have been that she doesn't have an "R" after her name.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Don't hold your breath!!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)I need a drink. Maybe two or three - John Boehner.
politicman
(710 posts)This is expected from the Repugs, they will do and say anything against Obama.
But what really gets my blood boiling is that there will be democratic congress people in attendance of this speech.
And we have no one to thank for this betrayal of the party and president other than the third-way part of the part which has used it corporate money to take control of the party.
These democratic members may be afraid of AIPAC, but they are only afraid because they rely on AIPAC to make the flow of money from the 1% easier.
This just goes to show that the third-way democrats are a blight on our party, that they care nothing about loyalty or the country, and they only care about raising enough money to get re-elected by being subservient to the 1%.
And the worst insult is that they want us to vote for their latest attempt at the presidency. ha!
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)heaven05
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snatch executive power from the mixed race, "muslim loving" "kenyan" POTUS by a bunch of white, whiny and now a destructive congressional majority that has been allowed with very little push back from my so-called leaders. Been pretty quiet these last six plus years, against both those very same whiny white people and ALL their lackeys in both political parties and in our highest court. This has truly been a revealing six plus years with my POTUS bringing out the hate that white people, who are racist, have ALWAYS had, to the very front of the stage. I mean this ignorance and stupidity, by these racist and other type obstructionist pigs that call themselves leaders, is sickening. This last six years has NOT made me respect our culture or it racist beginnings, middle and, so far, the present continuing hate that white males, females and their self hating lackeys of this country and political/cultural system CANNOT ever hide anymore. Totally disgusting! Exceptional? NO!!!!!!.
The hue and cry against all this should have reached high heaven, yet it has only been deafeningly quiet, except by some on this forum. I truly respect those who have not been apologists for the murder/executions, political mayhem and general american racism that the RW and RW media has agitated these last six plus years.
America, you have always been a disappointment to me with the lying obviousness of your grand hypocrisy. Now even more after six years of this spectacle called american poltics.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Period.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)"media event"
egold2604
(369 posts)The Dominionists or Christian Nationalists (Read right wing Republican) are all for Israel because their Scofield Annotated Bible has taught them that when all the Jews have returned to Israel (by force or voluntarily), Jesus, the Avenging God will return to rule from Solomon's Temple which will have been rebuilt by the returning Jews after destroying the Mosque on the Temple Mount. Christ the Avenger will lead an army of the faithful onto the Plains of Armageddon to fight the muslim hoards. Once they have been conquered or killed, Christ the Avenger will kill all the Jews but 144,000 to bear witness to what they have lost by killing him in the first place.
You can't make this stuff up. I recently met a young man who was a former Seal and "contractor" who was wearing an American Flag crossed with an Israeli Flag. He was going to return as a "contractor" once he finished his degree in Criminal Justice. He told me he was a "non-denominational evangelical who was prepared to fight the infidels on the Plains of Armageddon for his lord and savior. He thought because I am Jewish that I am all for it.
This is the truly scary shit. Hellbent on bringing about Armageddon.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)and they see Netanyahu's speech for what it truly is, and vote his war-mongering ass out of office.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)receive everything that they deserve!
Hopefully, sooner rather than later ...
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)who is black in the White House. Sorry, the black man cannot expect to be treated like a white man.
Especially an intelligent black man with strong family values and a respect for education.
A man who has worked hard all his life and achieved great things.
A man who has returned 6 years of GOP racism with unfailing politeness and courtesy.
A man who talks about his faith and how his faith motivates his values.
If he was white the GOP would have run him for President.
But no, of course Butcher Bibi means no disrespect. The man with the blood of thousands of innocent Palestinians on his hands is just here to address his racist GOP friends to promote peace.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)The closest comparison to this was when the GOP controlled Congress, in a clear raising of the middle finger to President Truman, invited the recently relieved Gen. Douglas MacArthur to give his farewell speech before a joint session.