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Are these "Angry" words..? (Original Post) G_j Mar 2015 OP
He would have been much more effective if he hadn't been so angry! Autumn Mar 2015 #1
His anger reflected the Duval Mar 2015 #27
+1 Enthusiast Mar 2015 #47
5th rec for powerful words and the power of words to help the common man. leveymg Mar 2015 #2
Great quotes. Timely as ever. RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #3
here's what one of the party leaders has to say TODAY Doctor_J Mar 2015 #4
Pretty sad, Doctor_J. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #48
people often quote FDR which is awsome... V0ltairesGh0st Mar 2015 #5
Great additions! daleanime Mar 2015 #7
yes, great additions, thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #13
remarkable G_j Mar 2015 #14
A great post. Wise words from a wise man. hifiguy Mar 2015 #25
Damn, that's prescient. He could be talking about today. Beartracks Mar 2015 #39
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #49
sadly V0ltairesGh0st Mar 2015 #54
Excellent quotes ... sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #45
Major K&R daleanime Mar 2015 #6
We are a fascist nation. Helen Borg Mar 2015 #8
Mussolini zentrum Mar 2015 #10
If fascism meant dumb tribalism, I'd agree erronis Mar 2015 #18
It's a Fascist nation.......... Enthusiast Mar 2015 #50
"The comfort of the rich relies on an abundance of the poor." Voltaire Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #9
K&R GeoWilliam750 Mar 2015 #11
Great quotes! K&R AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #12
yep, not OK for a woman to say. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #15
Got that did you? A man who used some pretty loud rhetoric at one time tells a woman Autumn Mar 2015 #19
"soaking the rich" G_j Mar 2015 #21
That was the most dishonest statement I have ever heard a democrat say. Autumn Mar 2015 #22
when a woman is right, they especially hate it. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #23
That FDR sure was an angry man. zeemike Mar 2015 #16
K and R bigwillq Mar 2015 #17
The rich have always hated zentrum Mar 2015 #20
And as he said: he welcomed their hatred deutsey Mar 2015 #51
Love that speech. zentrum Mar 2015 #59
thanks G_j Mar 2015 #62
That is what a REAL DEMOCRAT sounds like. hifiguy Mar 2015 #24
I have to make Ts shirt out of those Vincardog Mar 2015 #26
Make a bunch and I'll purchase one! nt Duval Mar 2015 #28
Why not make them out of Warren's sayings? n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #30
FDR said this with no GOP opposition to speak of. Small difference though. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2015 #29
Demonization! moondust Mar 2015 #31
Such and angry, angry man. pa28 Mar 2015 #32
Buffett, of course, is a 1%'er. He's just looking out for his own selfish interests. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #33
Perhaps its the delivery...rather than the words. Historic NY Mar 2015 #34
What "uppity woman"? BG Davis Mar 2015 #35
Elizabeth Warren has been getting criticized by some Dems for using the same kind of language as FDR arcane1 Mar 2015 #38
Got it, but... BG Davis Mar 2015 #57
As far as I know, Warren hasn't made any claims like that. arcane1 Mar 2015 #58
But somebody did, to start this thread BG Davis Mar 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Mar 2015 #63
maybe you are right G_j Mar 2015 #64
Welcome to DU Number9Dream Mar 2015 #52
Calamity Howlers won't like this one, G_j. Octafish Mar 2015 #36
Oh, Franklin, Franklin, you're going to make Howard Dean sad. tclambert Mar 2015 #37
speaking of "uppity women" guillaumeb Mar 2015 #40
such a boon to this country G_j Mar 2015 #44
I can imagine where the country would be guillaumeb Mar 2015 #53
Jeez, FDR doesn't just want a pony he wants democracy and economic justice, too! whereisjustice Mar 2015 #41
Where is today's FDR? SHRED Mar 2015 #42
FDR was a statesman BubbaFett Mar 2015 #56
K&R!!!!!!!!!!! burrowowl Mar 2015 #43
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #46
Words we can all* rally around. johnnyreb Mar 2015 #55
"Calamity howling executive." 3catwoman3 Mar 2015 #61

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
1. He would have been much more effective if he hadn't been so angry!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:34 PM
Mar 2015

A nice contrite tone with the wealthy would have worked sooo much better. I can think of two men who showed that they belong in that small group of selfish men.

Rec for his "angry" words that accomplished much good. Imagine if he had been afraid of being perceived as wanting to "soak the rich"

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
27. His anger reflected the
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:36 PM
Mar 2015

feelings of We The People. I was living when he gave his fireside chats and no one was ever turned off by his "anger". Have you not heard Bernie when he's angry/forceful? I wonder if we all have heard so much vitriol and hatred coming from the far right, that we no longer react to it in a normal way.


leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. 5th rec for powerful words and the power of words to help the common man.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:38 PM
Mar 2015

If only there had been more like these from our Democratic leaders these past seven years. Where might we be? We can only wonder and shake our heads in sadness for the lost possible.

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
5. people often quote FDR which is awsome...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:23 PM
Mar 2015

yet seem to forget he had a Brilliant Vice President who had equally fitting words.





Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
39. Damn, that's prescient. He could be talking about today.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:42 PM
Mar 2015

Wait -- He *IS* talking about today!!!

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V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
54. sadly
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:52 PM
Mar 2015

I think the reason that it is this way is because history repeats itself in this same cycle over and over and over. Crisis happens... rise to action to avert and correct it, and promises never to repeat.... peace and reform follows.... short memories, complacency sets in....challenges to sane governance, and policy are allowed to fester and grow.... BIGGER CRISIS !!!!

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. Mussolini
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:40 PM
Mar 2015

.....is rising from his grave and cheering the slow coup of the 1%. They are getting it all: Complete merging of government by corporations, take over of the food supply, the media, education, the prison system, access to park land and the destruction of environmentalism, and on and on. They got all of it---way beyond anything Franco or Mussolini could have dreamed of.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
18. If fascism meant dumb tribalism, I'd agree
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:04 PM
Mar 2015

I really think this country is mainly populated by groups (tribes) of people that think alike, only talk to others "like them", get all their information from places that the tribe says is ok, roots for the same sport/team, hates people outside of the tribe.

This tribalism is probably the real reason behind all of the violence in this world. IANAS (I am not a scientist) but it certainly seems that most of the violence happens between people with very little differences. Sect-on-sect, cult/religion-on-same, race-on-race (almost all of our genetic material is the same.)

Some poor unfortunates like most of us on DU look at things from multiple perspectives and don't understand tribalism. We wonder why these people are so caught up in their own little worlds. I think it's because they get all of their information from their own little worlds.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
50. It's a Fascist nation..........
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:59 AM
Mar 2015

because of the influence of corporations on the election and legislative process.

Violence and tribalism haven't much to do with it. Fascism can exist without violence. As a matter of fact, it does exist without being dependent on violence right here in the good ol' USA.

12 warning signs of fascism http://iweb.tntech.edu/kosburn/history-202/12_warning_signs_of_fascism.htm

1. Exuberant nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic images, slogans and symbols - National flags are seen everywhere in public display. Territorial aggression is explained to be mere destiny -- an unbidden greatness thrust upon the nation by history.

It is this burden of unique responsibility that now raises the fascist state above all previous constraint, no longer bound by international obligations, treaties or law.

2. Enemies Identified

This national cause is identified as unity against enemies - The people are rallied around a unifying patriotism directed against some common threat: communists, liberals, a racial, ethnic or religious minority, intellectuals, homosexuals, terrorists, etc.

The state's message is sometimes couched in an easily recognized religious theme. Amazingly, this language is used even when the full context of the teaching shows the meaning to be diametrically opposed. Any dissent is "siding with the enemy", and therefore treasonous.

3. Rights Disappear

Disdain for human and political rights - Fascist regimes foster an artificial climate of fear by intentionally amplifying stress and anxiety. Citizens naturally feel a strong need for security and are easily persuaded to ignore abuses in the name of safety. The few still willing to question are met with bullying and smear campaigns of intimidation.

Legislative bodies, if still in existence at all, are cowed into rubber-stamp submission with occasional ceremonial opposition. The judiciary tends to become activist in support of state views. The public often looks away, or even enthusiastically approves as rights are stripped away.

The concept of the individual inevitably yields ground, exchanged for the promised safety of the all-powerful state.

4. Secrecy Demanded

Obsession with secrecy and national security - The workings of government become increasingly hidden. Questioning of authority is discouraged at all levels of society. From office talk at the water cooler up through the entire apparatus of rule, guarded speech and secrecy become ends in themselves.

Troubling questions are muted and entire areas of scrutiny are placed out of bounds by simply invoking "national security".

Continued at the link provided above.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. "The comfort of the rich relies on an abundance of the poor." Voltaire
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:29 PM
Mar 2015

Another "angry" guy...though not a politician.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
15. yep, not OK for a woman to say.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:58 PM
Mar 2015

Oh, look at everyone miss the sexism point.


Great words, great minds, courageous speakers.
Gender shouldn't matter.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
19. Got that did you? A man who used some pretty loud rhetoric at one time tells a woman
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:05 PM
Mar 2015

to tone down the rhetoric because blah blah "soaking the rich" blah blah blah.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
21. "soaking the rich"
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:09 PM
Mar 2015

I would say that was a very intellectually dishonest statement. He just lost all credibilty with me.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
16. That FDR sure was an angry man.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:02 PM
Mar 2015

Makes Warren seem tame.
Well I would say that we need some angry men and woman in the party, and all we have is those that kiss the ass of billionaires and corporations.

But it won't be long now before FDR will be thrown under the buss.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
20. The rich have always hated
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:07 PM
Mar 2015

......FDR with a white hot hatred. Because he was of their class and yet showed that it's possible to change the system to help ordinary people. Really, really hated him as a traitor.

Only President to be elected four times. What does that tell us?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
59. Love that speech.
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:38 PM
Mar 2015

Thanks for posting it.

This is how I wanted Obama to speak in 2008 when he had that incredible momentum behind him after the election and the economy was in the tank.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. That is what a REAL DEMOCRAT sounds like.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:41 PM
Mar 2015

Senators Warren and Sanders (sigh, i KNOW he's technically independent, but he just happens to sound exactly like the greatest Democratic President in history, so there) are the only national figures who call FDR to mind.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
32. Such and angry, angry man.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:15 PM
Mar 2015

Clearly he's a class warrior who does not understand the need to moderate rhetoric and raise everybody at the same time with pro-growth policies.

Hahaha! Thanks for cutting through all the B.S. "concern" I've seen today.

BG Davis

(3 posts)
35. What "uppity woman"?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:09 PM
Mar 2015

Sorry, what is the reference to "uppity woman" about?

All I see is images of FDR and quotes from his comments about democracy (to which it seems a real stretch to impute anger).

Nice comments by FDR, and it is sad that the last few Democratic Presidents have not seen fit to be as openly concerned about these issues. (Or maybe they are drifting away from earlier principles; the Republican platform back in the 50s actually sounded more socially and economically liberal than many Democratic politicians today.)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
38. Elizabeth Warren has been getting criticized by some Dems for using the same kind of language as FDR
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:42 PM
Mar 2015

BG Davis

(3 posts)
57. Got it, but...
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:42 PM
Mar 2015

Thanks for the clarification.

If FDR had been criticized (as he was) for some of his comments, would he have accused anyone of attacking him for being an "uppity cripple?" Seems like a real stretch, and actually sexist, to assume that if a woman's comments are criticized, that somehow it's because of sexist bias. The assumed hidden (sexist) agenda is just another version of all the right-wing conspiracy nonsense.

If someone comments on the inanity of comments by Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin, is this because they are "uppity women" or because their comments are inane? Most people would agree it's the latter.

Men can be jerks and say dumb things, women can be jerks and say dumb things, end of story.

Response to arcane1 (Reply #58)

G_j

(40,367 posts)
64. maybe you are right
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:15 AM
Mar 2015

but certainly, for a woman politician to recieve criticism of a type that is not as often given to a man, is not unheard of.
Buffet and Dean both harshly criticized her style and "rhetoric". Maybe it wasn't sexism. Perhaps it is because they love Wall St. and want her to stop speaking truth to power. Whatever the reason, I find it deplorable.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
40. speaking of "uppity women"
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:07 PM
Mar 2015

When speaking of FDR and his many accomplishments, do not forget his Secretary of Labor for many years, Frances Perkins. It was thanks to this brilliant woman that Social Security was established, as well as the National Labor Relations Act that strengthened union rights.

Frances Perkins was in the view of many the real force behind FDR's many accomplishments. She deserves a huge place in the history books for her vision and ability to move the FDR administration to accomplish what it did.

Perhaps if she had been male she would be better known today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins

G_j

(40,367 posts)
44. such a boon to this country
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:42 AM
Mar 2015

She was exceptional. Can you imagine where we might be today without her?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
53. I can imagine where the country would be
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:06 PM
Mar 2015

because the GOP is determined to return to the pre-Roosevelt days. A shame that Perkins never got the credit for all she accomplished. Yet another example of the double standard.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
41. Jeez, FDR doesn't just want a pony he wants democracy and economic justice, too!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:38 PM
Mar 2015

Sometime during this generation or the next, the conservatives in BOTH parties are gonna wish they gave us the goddamn "pony" when we asked for it because history isn't kind to the type of corruption of principals that is accelerating our decline. Plenty of Republicans AND Democrats are responsible for this.

Our disparity is unsustainable. We need to give fascists the boot.

 

BubbaFett

(361 posts)
56. FDR was a statesman
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:39 PM
Mar 2015

statesmen no longer exist.

We have careerist panderers who fellate their wealthy patrons.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
46. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!
Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:43 AM
Mar 2015

Deserves. Let's see them. This is a real Democrat.

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