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Warren Buffett: Elizabeth Warren should be 'less angry'
Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett isn't a fan of Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-Massachusetts) populist style.
In a Monday interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box," Buffett argued that Warren should be "less angry and demonizing."
"I think that she would do better if she was less angry and demonizing. I believe in 'hate the sin but love the sinner,'" he said. "And I'm not sure that I've fully convinced Elizabeth Warren that that's the way to go."
Warren has enthralled liberals with her outspoken criticism of Wall Street, and progressive activists strongly urged her to run for president in 2016 against Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. Warren ultimately declared she would not run.
But Buffett, who supports Clinton's campaign, said Warren and other legislators should be more willing to embrace compromise.
Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-elizabeth-warren-should-be-less-angry-2015-3?r=US#ixzz3TFMHU8Dm
Gee that's a coincidence.
G_j
(40,367 posts)guess the memo is out
Autumn
(45,084 posts)Therefore it must continue.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)...he didn't disagree with the issue; only the way it's being presented.
Tough speeches may make YOU feel good; it doesn't necessarily get the policy implemented.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)I gather the thought of torches and pitchforks is a bit uncomfortable. Poor Warren. Someone posted that maybe the meeting with Hillary just didn't go as planned. Three of her most powerful supporters seem to be worried. They should be.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)...in fairness, the event wasn't ON Wall Street, although plenty of 1%ers were there. It was more what you'd call a salon...
Autumn
(45,084 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And the voters want someone who is angry enough to go against the political corrupt system.
Give them a choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee they just stay home.
But then they don't really need the voters do they?...no matter the outcome of a low voter turnout election the status quo win ether way.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)as efficiently as the right-wingers do.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Keeping the torches and pitchforks at bay.
vi5
(13,305 posts)We were all so nice to them, and asked politely and we made sure we didn't hurt their feelings or demonize them, and they said thank you for our niceness by raising their minimum employee wage.
Oh wait, that's right that's not what happened. We were pissed we mocked them we demonized them and we guilted them until they did something in the direction of what was needed.
Thanks, Warren but no thanks. You've been mostly on our side and we appreciate it. But we should all have learned by now that being nice is not what is going to get things done.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)on the issue.
But a woman... how dear she be "angry and demonizing".
Hate the sin but love the sinner my ass!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Is the truth! Happens all the time.
randys1
(16,286 posts)killing (how do you think we got the land), immigrant denying, asshole Americans, almost all of whom just happen to be white, get justice.
But will I?
What does this have to do with the OP, you ask?
I dont know
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)So maybe we could direct some energy this way
http://www.bernie.org/
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Hat tip and to foo_bar:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6294916
* They try to escape by identifying with the oppressor, living through him, gaining status and identity from his ego, his power, his accomplishments. And by not identifying with other empty vessels like themselves.
https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/internalized-sexism/
djean111
(14,255 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Angry & demonizing.
langstonhues
(49 posts)of comments like yours that see what is going on.
dissentient
(861 posts)They have enough troubles already!
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Senator Warren...no matter what those two fools say. I don't go along to get along, that's for damned sure!
It reminds me of the fight Rahm has going in Chicago. Money doesn't speak for everybody.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)I haven't heard anything about Hillary has thrown her hat into the ring. Have you got a link?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)People are certainly blind to other options huh?
Is Hillary running?
What are you getting at here?
Stellar
(5,644 posts)if both of these ladies are running.
Okay I'll just mind my own business... Oh by the way your welcome. I voted for her as my senator and I'm proud of her.
I also have enough respect for her to believe her when she says she isn't running.
Thanks for the laugh.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)After all, it took months of people working on her to convince her to run for that Senate seat, so I can see where she'd have to be dragged into running for the Presidency as well.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)She'd probably even get a vote from me, cleary I'm willing to do that. But for now I take her at her word.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)anything else, i know it saves me time if I am looking at MY POSTS page
Stellar
(5,644 posts)always wanted to know that.
SO...you got something against women, LOL!
randys1
(16,286 posts)as a privileged white American male, I have learned so much in the past few years.
My mother was the most intelligent person I knew, and was also very much into Eastern philosophy and attacking the Catholic church which she sent me to for 12 years for school
But yes, I love Women, I respect them, and I think we would all be far better off if they were in charge, of everything
Stellar
(5,644 posts)My mother never had a formal education but I thought she was the smartest woman I knew. Take care!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)What else would he say about Elizabeth Warren? What else CAN he say?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the activist base (of both parties) likes angry and uncompromising; that's what makes them the activist base.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)compromise is to ask the corporations not to take trillions but settle for billions.
The wealth gap is growing and some want us to be calm and accept it without complaining. "Here drink this cool-aid".
Bless the angry activist base. They are marching in Fergusion and Wisconsin. Go ahead and berate them.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)12% Turnout in Missosuri...
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/twelve-percent-turnout-insult-your-children
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)between the "activist base" and the "base."
I wish I could find WillPitt's OP (from many years ago) on who the party base really is ... It was great and spot on, as well as the comments on the OP. I'll look for it.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And to clarify my previous post I'd LOVE to see turnout increase and I think voter suppression needs to be reduced.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I understood what you wrote.
Here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x478248
While he was speaking about the "anti-war left", it applies just the same to the "income inequality left".
The OP popped up in another thread (that I can't find right now) and I seem to recall, in that thread, a DUer made a quite insightful distinction between the "base" and the "activist base", that I have adopted.
I'll keep looking.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and your characterization of the 'activist base' makes it seem like a majority of Democrats. rank-and-file democrats stayed home in record numbers. That's says as much about timid and uninspiring politics of the candidates as any other rational offered.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Except for?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and to just pin the blame on 'activists' is incorrect.
But 12% turnout means no one (base, activist base, whatever you want to call it) showed up.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that is on you ... always looking to make yourself a/the victim.
The fact is, we are the activist base of the Democratic Party (well, those of us that are Democrats) and that is not something to shy away from.
Yes, Bless us.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Koch and co, whoever is profiting from this.
Also, I hear that at CPAC most of the attendees were horrified by the homophobic comments of that dipshit who does duck calls, and also were supporters in a big way of RAND PAUL
So the young republican, other than having brain damage, is far more liberal socially than the idiot teaparty...which either means they will split the party or come at us with a strong libertarian like Rand
He worries me, almost as much as the hand picked candidate Walker by the Koch's
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)the meeting Hillary had with Elizabeth didn't go as plan
the 3 coordinated attacks on the same day are a result of that meeting
Elizabeth told Hillary something that caused this response.
randys1
(16,286 posts)I think Bernie needs far less money than either of the Women only because he is an avowed democratic socialist which gives him an entirely different campaign and free media...i mean he would get some media coverage based on his political position that the other two wont get as they are mainstream dem party
Liz and Hillary are enough alike that if both run who would Liz get her money from?
JEB
(4,748 posts)that people of good conscience can muster. They want the proles to play nice now. Fuck that shit.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)As long you understand the DIFFERENCE between compromising and compromising Democratic principles.
rocktivity
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)I am sick of lukewarm mealy-mouths on the left.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)How can Hillary bullshit voters with focus-group-tested empty slogans if Elizabeth is out there telling the truth?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)She is fierce. She is steadfast. She is tough.
Remember how all the men praised Putin as being their kind of leader...decisive, tough, blah,blah,blah.?
This shit makes me sick!!!
randys1
(16,286 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)but I do understand his point.. it's probably not the most effective strategy to harshly criticise someone you are trying to get agreement with in changing something. But there certainly are issues that we should be very angry about.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Two hundred thousand and change- for one share. Down $1,565 from Friday close
Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (Berkshire) is a holding company owning subsidiaries engaged in a number of diverse business activities. The Company is engaged in the insurance businesses conducted on a primary basis and a reinsurance basis, a freight rail transportation business and a group of utility, and energy generation and distribution businesses
Warren Buffett invests in a Clinton presidential bid
December 4, 2014
Billionaire contributes to the super PAC laying the groundwork for a Clinton candicacy
WASHINGTON The USA's second-richest man just bet on Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.
Berkshire Hathaway's Warren Buffett has donated $25,000 to Ready for Hillary, a super PAC laying the groundwork for the Democrat's potential White House bid, officials with the super PAC confirm.
The group, which raised more than $10 million through Oct. 15, will file its paperwork detailing recent contributions and expenditures by midnight Thursday...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/04/warren-buffett-contributes-to-hillary-clinton-super-pac/19910651/
mulsh
(2,959 posts)hate uppity women. Im my experience they tend to be the more affluent and powerful guys. same cloth no matter what.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)EW and Sanders are the only people willing to call out the the banksters. She is completely justified in her anger. If telling the truth is "demonizing" - so be it.
Compromise = stfu and leave them alone. Fuck that.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)some bullshit seems like an angry thing to do.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)If she weren't making headway why would they be making such a concerted effort to shut her up.
Triple Down Senator Warren! It's time for the other side to shut up and do some listening for a change. We've tried it their way and it hasn't worked and will never work.
jomin41
(559 posts)for forty effing years, despite mealy- mouthed protestations and constant "compromises" he'd be plenty pissed. Any attacks on EW are only going to push me further left, if that's possible.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.old billionaire men tell passionate women how to behave. No one except Bernie speaks as protectively of working people and against the oligarchy.
Is Bernie "too angry" too?
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)We're not there yet, though, and I hope we don't fully get there.
We've seen for years what 'willingness to compromise' has gotten - good ideas made worse, and most simply killed off entirely.
Let's face it, does Buffett look for 'compromise' on his return on investments? Or does he look for the best return he can get?
If you present him with a good idea that gives him a 20% return and a crappy one that breaks even, does he 'compromise' and choose a middle ground that gets him 10%, or does he simply go with the 20%? (And TBH, if he went for the 'compromise', I'm pretty sure his stockholders would sue him for fiduciary negligence.)
Capitalists love to talk about running the country like a business day in and day out, but then when you get to specifics, they always want to do things that would run a business right into the ground.
Alkene
(752 posts)Embrace this:
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Rich guys don't like it when someone says they're part of the problem.
And Elizabeth Warren is doing something right when she's pissing them off.
treestar
(82,383 posts)angry and demonizing. I haven't seen that from her at all.
TBF
(32,060 posts)As long as they know their place.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)You never really loved him! Oops sorry, wrong thread.
TBF
(32,060 posts)it's the wrong damned bus for labor.
lark
(23,099 posts)Big business likes Hillary better because she's a compromiser while Warren is "stuck" on principals and ethics.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)It's only when a real liberal progressive says what's really going on economically on a systemic level for working people that we hear this kind of critique. They only say we're "too angry" when someone exposes the class warfare the billionaire class is winning. Eff him.
Will call Warren's office today and say she speaks for me and she is having an effect since she's upset one of the biggest billionaires in the world. We should all call her.
Her DC number is 202-224-4543
Boston: 617-565-3170
Springfield: 413-788-2690
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and I think that's just nonsense to portray it as mere emotion. I would say, though, that Americans like myself ARE angry at Congress' continued catering to the wealthy interests over working-class citizens.
What Sen. Warren has been diligent and forceful in outlining are valid and precient abuses of our financial system by wealthy and corporate interests at the expense of the middle-class and others stuck in the bottom rungs of the economic ladder. Statements like this appear to be a diversion from efforts to address those inequities and abuses. We should push back forcefully and not be dissuaded from aggressively challenging those special interests at every opportunity and instance; refused to be cowed by patronizing talk about 'angry' approaches and other dissmissive nonsense.
Hotler
(11,421 posts)Angry enough to take to the streets by the tens of thousands if not more. Spring is coming and it would a good time for a national strike for 5-6 months, shut this country down. Doing so would bring more to hurt to the rich than it will us. Even though the 1% are very, very rich they still have bills to pay and their bills are a lot larger than ours and without us working to make them money the bill collectors will be knocking on their doors loudly. A small sacrifice from us will bring a ton of hurt to them. Think about it. Most of us are already broke and with no money or very little.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)When a greedy sociopathic billionaire is nervous and chastising Senator Warren, it's clear she is on the correct path.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Sorry Buffett that you hear Elizabeth's words as an angry tone, maybe if you would actually listen you would hear what she is really saying and not hearing your own misperceived threat.
langstonhues
(49 posts)It appears only white guys can get angry and have it called passion or resoluteness or some such nonsense.
Millions of people have real reasons to be bellowing mad and angry, Mr. Moneybags. Just to remind you who probably wipes his ass with 1000 dollar bills, some people can't feed their kids while they watch the super rich (many who go that way by stealing from everyone else) enjoy their shameful gluttony.
Warren is being angry (and you call it violence for some ridiculous reason) for these people, finally someone who gets it and you want her to shut up?
Funny one, old man.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)N.T.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and those owned by the plutocrats. Sadly the latter group now seems to include Howard Dean. I could not be more disappointed in him.
randys1
(16,286 posts)and see a list of who else was there
langstonhues
(49 posts)I consider that very good news. Something anew is bubbling under the surface. This is no coincidence.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Centrist Democrats are gathering their forces to fight back against the Elizabeth Warren wing of their party, fearing a sharp turn to the left could prove disastrous in the 2016 elections.
For months, moderate Democrats have kept silent, as Sen. Elizabeth Warrens (D-Mass.) barbed attacks against Wall Street, income inequality and the rigged economy thrilled the base and stirred desire for a more populist approach.
But with the race for the White House set to begin, centrists are moving to seize back the agenda.
Read the rest at: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/234224-centrist-dems-ready-strike-against-warren-wing
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Calling a strong woman an "angry woman" is classic sexism.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)She should run. I judge a person by the enemies they make. And she's bothering the right people.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)smugly and tell Senator Warren to "take a chill pill" (or worse, a Midol) for one reason, and one reason only. What's going on in this country is NOT a matter of life or death for him or his family, but for many it is and that's who Senator Warren is thinking of when she speaks passionately (for the misogynists it's hysterically).
I know Warren Buffett is a staunch Democrat and a good guy in general, but he is being insensitive to say the least in this regard. A smug asshole if I may, even if it's inadvertent.