Howard Dean doesn't like Elizabeth Warren's tone

[geek tragedy]

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. No thanks to bringing this guy back as DNC chair.

Democracy For America founder Howard Dean, who has backed Clinton for president, said Warren is “right on policy, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down.”

“Our program cannot be soak the rich — that's a mistake and alienates middle class people. But on substance, the Warren wing is correct,” said Dean.

“The rhetoric about wealth creation needs to be scaled back because Americans like wealth creation,” he added. “The level playing field argument wins it for us. The reason you do not want to talk about ‘tax the rich’ is because when middle class people hear it, they hear ‘they're going to raise our taxes.’ Democrats can't do that.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/234224-centrist-dems-ready-strike-against-warren-wing

[think]

1. Don't care. It's not about soaking the rich. It's about holding Wall street banks accountable.

And Americans on both sides of the isle are getting sick of the corruption....

[Alkene]

116. +1

“Our program cannot be soak the rich..."

Really?

Wow.

[betterdemsonly]

2. Howard Dean is a gutted man. Sad sack! n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. Yup, yup. Dean had become a parody of himself. Can't take him seriously anymore.

[Autumn]

3. It's gotten to the point where I no longer give a flying fuck what most of the entrenched

leaders and members of the democratic party say or do. They are irrelevant.

[Agschmid]

4. Unfortunately his organization DFA is pretty relevant...

Dean has turned into a power broker of sorts, right from Cherry St. in VT...

[Autumn]

6. I still no longer give a shit about his opinion.

as far as I am concerned it carries no weight, to me he's irrelevant.

[Agschmid]

9. He was my Governor for a time and did some really great things...

I guess that's why I struggle to just brush him aside.

[Autumn]

10. Yeah I know where you are coming from. It took me a long time to get where I am.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

99. Time we stop bowin down 2 these so-called "leaders" who don't have our best interests @ heart, unlike Elizabeth, who's a tru gem. Dean can taka hike.

[Autumn]

101. I'm with you on that.

[sabrina 1]

141. I felt the same way about Clinton who I defended and even refused to listen when other Dems

told me about some of his policies. What finally did it for me was when he slapped all those who had supported him for so long, in the face by associating with the Bushes. When he took Bush on a 'rehabilitation' tour, to Haiti of all places and used his own popularity to try to make that war criminal look better.

That taught me a lesson I will never forget. Politicians work for us and I will support them only so long as they support the people.

At first it was hard, but it got easier. I don't trust any of them, only so long as they stand up for the people. They are not family or friends, they are employees and I have no more illusions about them. Clinton also did some good things, but he also forwarded the Wall St agenda to the point where we may not recover in our lifetimes..

Dean is being used to smear Warren now, after the total failure of the two Third Way founders who started the smear campaign against her a few weeks ago, and the backlash was so sever they had to retreat from publicly even mentioning her.

Now they are using Dean. They really do think we are stupid.

[KingCharlemagne]

146. Clinton's so-called 'welfare reform' stuck the knife in the back of poor, minority

women who were and are single parents and managed to hurt their children too. Yeah, that's real courage all right, attacking people who can't defend themselves. Dripping

[RiverLover]

12. DFA is backing Drafting Warren for president, not HIllary.

DFA is run by Dean's brother now.

Howard Dean Endorses Hillary While Group He Founded Pushes For Warren
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/howard-dean-hillary-clinton-2016-elizabeth-warren

FINAL RESULTS: Draft Elizabeth Warren? 87.6% vote YES!

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/blog/865-final-results-draft-elizabeth-warren-87-6-vote-yes

[hopemountain]

118. has he changed his mind and is no longer supporting the DFA?

they ran a poll and warren and sanders were favored as dem candidates over hillary. then they appealed to us for money to support warren as a candidate. so, why is he now disparaging her? who does he think she is, a bonsai he can cut back here and there at his whim to groom & stunt her?

[GoneFishin]

5. "Sure. Technically she is right, but she should adapt the standard Dem platform milquetoast posture

and stop being so convincing. Otherwise we might swerve off the Status Quo Highway."

[RiverLover]

13. So true! Don't be so convincing! Must keep the Status Quo!

(Must keep capitulating to what Fox News says Americans want.)

Great post.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Sounds like Dean is the 1 who needs 2 watch his tone, as he appears 2 b showin' his sexist, misogynistic side by tellin' Elizabeth 2 stop bein so "hysterical." Dean needs 2 just can it.

[gordianot]

7. Yaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhwwwwwwa

How's that for tone? I thought it was silly when he was leveled with that charge. At least no one can claim Elizabeth Warren is was incoherent.

[antiquie]

8. Dr. Dean, the eternal pragmatist. ~ nt

[TheKentuckian]

11. Sigh

They don't give us much to work with.

There isn't enough pull from the left to offset the gravity well of the right, we must push the envelope hard and be a hell of a lot more relentless in pursuit of our aims compromise from moderation means right wing domination.

There is too little space politically for anyone less than "far left" but not a TeaPubliKlan to be and not still functionally be on the right.

New Dealism is being pushed off the "acceptable" spectrum while Bush/Cheney are being substantially mainstreamed and Bircherisim in general is set as acceptable far right.

There has to be some space on the liberal end generated.

[deutsey]

14. "Middle class people"?

Middle class people still exist? I thought they had become the stuff of legend and myth.

[Segami]

17. LOL!

Ya right....

[arcane1]

35. A euphemism for "Big Money Donors" n/t

[nolabels]

15. The problem is Howard has kind a of wimpy ideas on how to solve problems

Not saying grotesque in-your-face would be better. What i would say is trying to draw a rift between people on the left is what corporate media would prefer.

Understanding what the issues are instead of debating style makes it much easier to go from point A to B.

[WDIM]

16. tax the rich!

Focus on taxing the multinational corporations. The billionaires.

As it stands right now we have unequal protection of the laws when it comes to tax codes. Tax codes are biased toward the super rich and mega corps. They get tax breaks and tax incentives and tax loop holes.

The argument can definately be made taxes needs to go up on the fat cats and banksters and im sure if anybody can make that argument to the middle class its Warren.

[hootinholler]

18. I don't much care for Hillary using Dean as an attack dog

This is very disappointing Dr.

[Orsino]

19. That's how you can tell he's sold out. n/t

[Gidney N Cloyd]

20. Well, then, under the bus with him.

[Octafish]

21. Soak who, then?

Doc, I'm broke. Most of my friends, the same.

Who's that leave?

[bigwillq]

22. Oh, boo hoo, Mr. Dean.

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Yup, no thanks to bringing him back to national politics. Done with all these rinse and repeat candidates and politicians.

Just say No. To Hillary. And Dean.

[JaneyVee]

23. Worked well for Obama. Twice!

[RiverLover]

26. Bingo!

How quickly they forget.

[Skidmore]

24. Why all the uproar? He said

that she was right on policy. He agrees with her.

[MADem]

29. My question, too!

Looks like this is the activity of the day...?

[Autumn]

40. If a man says he doesn't like Hillary's tone? Or a man says Hillary

would be effective if she were "less angry"? You would be fine with that? Thank dog we have men around to point out, (or is the term mansplain) Liz's little temper problems. As Rush would say she must be PMSing

[Agschmid]

45. Yah because we are all Rush Limbaugh here...

[Autumn]

48. Do you think Rush wouldn't say that same thing about Hillary if she were "angry" ?

Rush would say that about any Democratic woman. And your "Yah because we are all Rush Limbaugh here..." Really?

[Agschmid]

49. I could care less what Rush says...

He a sexist, I'm not shocked by that.

[Autumn]

60. Well to me it's rather surprising to see Dr. Dean, a Democrat say he doesn't like Liz's rhetoric

He agrees with her but doesn't like her rhetoric. That's why we lose. The leaders don't stand for the poor and the working class.

[Agschmid]

61. Dean's record as governor says otherwise.

But I understand your point.

[Autumn]

64. His words are what speak now.

Anyway, have a good day.

[Agschmid]

66. You too.

[MADem]

70. So Howard Dean is some random "a man" -- not Howard Dean, the guy who said

"If my spouse-the-doctor doesn't want to fluff and puff as part of my candidacy, leave her the hell alone" or words to that effect?

What are you saying, here? That a MALE who has never once flown the misogyny flag can't offer a critique of a FEMALE person, solely because of her gender?

Come off it. You're the only one here saying "Rush" and "PMSing" and "mansplaining." What's that about, I wonder? I'd say you're trying to paint him in an accusatory fashion, simply because you don't happen to like his opinion and that's an easy way to cut him off at the knees. Or would you prefer if he asks his WIFE to express his opinions for him....?

Howard Dean is a politician and a Democratic Party insider. He also got tarred with the "angry" brush so he knows a little bit about how that works out. He has a right to his opinion, as Elizabeth Warren has a right to hers. Trying to play a "gender bias" card here, against a guy who has never demonstrated that kind of attitude, just isn't on.

[Autumn]

71. Yeah well I don't like his rhetoric.

And if it was said about Hillary you or I wouldn't like it either. But you know what? A lot of people DO like her angry rhetoric

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/09/05/elizabeth-warren-the-game-is-rigged/

[MADem]

84. It's perfectly fine if you "don't like his rhetoric." Accusing everyone whose "rhetoric" you don't

like of being a mansplaining, Rush-Limbaugh style misogynist, though, is not appropriate.

It's bias of the worst sort--and in his case, particularly undeserved.

[freshwest]

105. Sherrod got tossed over Netanyahu, Warren may be next. Fickleness loses elections.

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BTW, some time back Bernie Sanders was near being tossed for supporting a bill to gave Israel funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system. Looking at it in context, it would prevent excuses for more incursions in Gaza.

Of course, Obama was a 'warmonger' for supporting it, despite all his other actions otherwise. And Kerry was a 'warmonger' for insisting that Assad give up his WMD (meaning, chemical weapons) and join in the UN's Chemical Weapons Convention. Same story with Libya. Some don't seem to be able to rise to the level of getting the larger picture. In both cases, the threat and/ or use of force was associated with that need and the use of WMD on the population. Neither were signatory at those times; right after that, they signed. The CWC is for the long-term survival of mankind and the ecosphere, not a game.

Assad gave up WMD despite the civil war there. His supporters in Syria have no qualms about using conventional means and terrorism to stay in power. But now he's fighting terrorists sent in from other countries. The use of WMD was desperation as the various rebel factions were nearing the territory that he needs to stay in power.

And Obama knew all along, from the time he became POTUS, that no matter who triumphed in Syria, they'd hate us. So he didn't want to get involved, despite the neo-cons 'holding his feet to the fire' for years to go with the PNAC plan. Syria was on that list, along with Iran.

Rand Paul (R - 'anti-war' bullshit artist) has called for griound troops to protect Christians. Yet he's untouchable online, despite his anti-woman, anti-minority, anti-LGBT, pro-pollution, pro-theocracy, pro-Koch and pro-corporate rule stances.

Gee, ain't it something that he isn't being micromanaged online and maligned for every single issue all day long every day?

[NanceGreggs]

130. Well said.

And it's not just a matter of "fickleness" - it is a matter of many here being so easily swayed by what their "DU friends" have to say.

You can easily spot the type - they're the ones who are always calling other people "sheeple who can't think for themselves".

It's one of the major problems here, IMHO. I see the same people regurgitating the same cliches over and over - because they rely on DU to tell them what to say, instead of actually reading source material and coming up with their own opinions/conclusions.

By way of example, the statements about Hillary are particularly glaring in that respect. When asked why they don't want Hill as the nominee, you'll see the same old/same old cliches trotted out: she's a "warmonger", she's "a corporatist", she's "for the 1%", etc. Few are able to offer any support for those claims - the fact that they "saw it on DU" is as far as they can go in supplying any back-up for their conclusions.

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. Because of his honesty is my guess.

I like what he said. She is right on policy.

People gotta spin it, even here.

[elleng]

79. I agree. What a b.s. OP!

[bluestateguy]

91. People on DU loved Howard Dean to death in 2004

How quickly they can change.

[bigtree]

120. he generalized about her 'rhetoric' and offered a weak qualification about her 'correct' substance

...what part of his statement do you think will be highlighted by opponents of her 'substance?'

[Skidmore]

124. Look, I like Warren and Dean both.

Have tremendous respect for both of them. I will not stab an ally in the back. The man addressed tone but didn't dispute substance--something that I recall he has a little experience with. She has a good message and he has a right to register an opinion.

[bigtree]

127. I find his remarks patronizing, sexist, counterproductive to any agreement with her message

...and co-opting with resistance of moneyed interests influencing Congress resisting accountability and change.

Dean has a political agenda and he's highlighting form over the 'substance' he professes to regard as 'correct.' I think he's full of it.

[HereSince1628]

25. Howard, such waffling, you sound like a consultant protecting revenue streams

Even the rich defend paying their fair-share... Dr. Dean needs a business luncheon with Warren Buffet

[Jackpine Radical]

27. Yeeeeaaargh!

Somehow, although I love Howard and was an early Deaniac, I'm not sure he's our best adviser on messaging.

I do however take heart that he validated her policy stances.

[Agschmid]

41. He was part of making 2008 as successful as it was...

So his messaging might be pretty good.

Odd to see so many people discount him on here... Oh DU.

[Jackpine Radical]

47. I agree that he had a large role in engineering what happened in 2008.

However, I think it was his 50-state strategy and sophisticated use of the new media, both for communication and for fundraising, that contributed the most.

Obama's message was his own. It was a liberal, hopeful message.

Anyway, without getting all ad hominem about a person I respect, I think that Warren's message is just fine. I think we absolutely need to draw lines of demarcation that distinguish us from Republicans, and calling out for things like the regulation of the Wall Street parasites is precisely what is most likely to draw out the voters.

[Agschmid]

51. I agree.

[Iggo]

28. Tough shit.

[cyberswede]

62. ^this is the proper response. nt

[arcane1]

30. In other words, continue to bullshit people with dreams of future wealth of their own.

God forbid we have someone actually tell the fucking TRUTH!! Nope, can't have that!!

[L0oniX]

31. This is what happens when the majority of our "middle class" are banksters.

[tularetom]

32. He don't know many middle class people, does he?

I think the good doctor has been spending too much time on Morning Joke. He seems to have a very skewed view of what middle class people think.

[octoberlib]

132. +1 I'm middle class and Elizabeth Warren doesn't alienate me at all.

Also, when did the middle class become "the rich"? He sounds really out of touch.

[marle35]

134. I'd really like to know who he's talking about

The only middle class people who would be turned off by Elizabeth's rhetoric are hard-core right-wing types who would never vote Democratic, whether it be for a Warren-type or a milquetoast Third Wayer.

Elizabeth has always been very clear in her rhetoric. She talks about millionaires and billionaires having outsized political power, and needing to fight for a shrinking middle class.

For the sake of pragmatism, I can understand the argument that this could turn off rich people. But middle class, non-Freeper types? Who is he kidding?

[YoungDemCA]

136. Historically the term "middle class" referred to the bourgeoisie

It was only in the 20th century with the rise of industrialization, urbanization, and the consumer economy that "mass affluence" became a thing. And even then, the wealth was certainly never distributed equally among different social groups (minorities, women, the low-skilled, less educated workers...)

[leftynyc]

33. And under the bus he goes

The comments throwing Dr. Dean away over a woman WHO IS NOT RUNNING are revolting.

[Agschmid]

42. Over someone who is not running...

And yup.

[Jackpine Radical]

53. Waittafuckinminnit here goddamit.

To disagree with Dean on strategy is not the same thing as throwing him under the bus.

For one thing, Howard, ever the pragmatist, may be assuming that Hillary will be the nominee whether he likes it or not, and he may see Liz's language as having the eventual result of messing Hillary's chances up in the General.

Howard is a valued voice even when he disagrees with me. (Which, from time to time, he has the effrontery to do.)

[leftynyc]

85. Tell it to those

who are quite actively throwing him under the bus.

[Jackpine Radical]

90. I speak for myself.

Nothing I have to say is likely to make any difference to absolutists of any stripe.

[Brigid]

112. LOL!

Funniest post title of the day! I woke both of my cats up! This is why I don't read DU in public anymore.

[HappyMe]

65. Just because I disagree with the crap he's spewing here,

doesn't mean I'm throwing him under the bus.

[leftynyc]

86. Tell it to

those who posted things like calling him a sad sack. It's not like I'm making it up.

[HappyMe]

93. Meh.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm not going to defend the guy in this instance.

[Jackpine Radical]

94. Ever say anything intemperate to a loved one in the heat of the moment?

Did it reflect a permanent rift with that person?

[leftynyc]

95. Yes, however,

I've seen way too many good Democrats get this kind of treatment on DU to not point it out.

[AtomicKitten]

75. I don't like your tone.

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[leftynyc]

87. You don't like my tone?

Tough.

[AtomicKitten]

100. Exactly!

Now you're cooking with gas.

[former9thward]

34. He is right on this.

The U.S. is not a class warfare country. It does not get votes.

[DCBob]

36. I still have great respect for Howard Dean. I wish he was interested in running for POTUS.

He could mount a serious challenge against Hillary.

[wyldwolf]

52. I'm starting a rumor

Dean to Secretary of Health and Human Services or Surgeon General.

[freshwest]

138. That'll show 'em! Keep pushing it until it happens. I like that one!

http://www.c-span.org/video/?292769-4/howard-dean-health-care#

Unfortunately, even after people pay for internet and cable, even premium prices to see the programs, CSPAN wants more $$$s. So this may not show up for you.

I knew that was coming, the privatization of public speakers. So those who can't afford to pay, will know nothing. Or actually less than nothing, as they'll be getting the 'news' from talk radio...

[Historic NY]

74. At this point its like saying Dennis Kucinich could ....

Howards days of running for President are in the sunset. It almost like those pining for Gore.

[ScreamingMeemie]

78. The last time I ever felt anything close to hope was while campaigning for Dean.

[RiverLover]

37. She seems smart, firm, utterly sincere & caring here, as she schools rethugs & wall street dems

on the false promise of trickle down.

She's not overly angry, but she's good at making us angry~

That must make TPTB very uncomfortable.

[foo_bar]

38. wait, wut?

The problem is simple: those at the top are gathering more and more power for themselves, and taking more and more power away from everyone else. <...>

Our tax burden today falls most heavily on hard work, while wealth is taxed less. We subsidize corporations that are polluting our environment or sending jobs overseas. But we can restore fairness to our tax code—rewarding hard work, ensuring that wealth pays its fair share, and penalizing waste.

http://www.crocuta.net/Dean/Common_Sense_For_A_New_Century-Dean.html

[loyalsister]

39. It's satisfying to hear politicians say what we think

But when only a subset of Democrats are thinking it, it really isn't as effective as we would hope. "The problem with the American dream is that it makes everyone concerned about the day they're gonna be rich."

[RedCappedBandit]

43. Lying piece of shit.

Holding the elite accountable does not alienate the middle class. Sick of the wealthy purposefully misleading working Americans into believing they stand to lose if we expect the rich to pay their fair share.

[hrmjustin]

44. Let Warren be Warren.

More should be like her.

[AtomicKitten]

121. +1

[jamzrockz]

46. I somewhat agree with him

Sometimes its not necessarily what you say but how you say things that will bring the masses to your message. So get the message right and get the delivery right. The sad part is that sometimes, the delivery is more persuasive than the message.

Constructive criticism is good for everyone, even to the people making the criticism in the first place.

[wyldwolf]

50. Before this thread moves any further.

ok, continue.

[guillaumeb]

54. forget about Elizabeth Warren and vote for

Al Franken and Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Vote the Franken/Stein ticket.

A monstrously good idea.

[wyldwolf]

57. Al Franken would never be on a Green ticket.

[guillaumeb]

72. it's all in the name

you must admit that the "Franken/Stein" ticket would be great for bumper stickers, t-shirts, etc

[wyldwolf]

73. DOH!

Got me.

[whathehell]

55. Oh Wow....I am so disappointed in him. He now sounds like a true Third Way Sellout.

That's quite a fall you took, Dr. Dean.

[geek tragedy]

56. Well, when a guy starts working as a lobbyist for Big Pharma, these things happen nt

[whathehell]

59. I didn't know he was working as a lobbyist for Big Pharma..

Tell me more, if you can.

[geek tragedy]

68. here's his bio at Mckenna long and aldridge

https://www.mckennalong.com/professionals-HowardDean.html

Governor Howard Dean is a Senior Strategic Advisor and Independent Consultant in the Public Policy and Regulatory Affairs practice at McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP. He focuses on health care and energy issues, as well as providing expertise derived from his extensive experience in public office.

A recognized thought-leader in health care reform, Governor Dean works with clients to navigate complicated regulations and political challenges in both the private and public sectors. Through partnering industry with business and community interests he is at the forefront of promoting high quality and affordable health care while supporting innovation.

[whathehell]

126. Thanks for the info.

Big let down.

[MADem]

83. He's not working for big pharma.

He works for a law firm that does a lot of public policy work--they represent a lot of Canadian interests as well as a wide variety of US ones. No idea what his particular portfolio is, but I'd want to see it before I made that kind of accusation. His bio says "He focuses on health care and energy issues" -- not "pharmaceutical/drug company issues."

[HappyMe]

58. I'm sure Warren doesn't give a crap

if Dean doesn't like her "tone". She's doing her job, and doing it very well.

[RiverLover]

69. Dec 2013 - Elizabeth Warren's response to Third Way Criticisms: 'Oh Please'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=2992

She's probably saying the same thing now.

Run Liz Run!!

[HappyMe]

89. Yup.

Rolling her eyes and saying 'oh please'.

[Jefferson23]

63. I can't believe he literally said..soak the rich. Too damn bad you don't like her tone.

The rest is complete bullshit too...what a revealing conversation.

[bravenak]

67. Who cares if he likes her tone?

Anyways, I think he said tone down the rhetoric. I say don't tone down shit. Sounds good to me. I like that rhetoric.

[McCamy Taylor]

77. Um...depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Dem anger gets out the base

to vote, so an angry tone can be great if you are trying to encourage participation by an otherwise apathetic electorate. However, an angry tone can scare away the independents during the general election. These are the people who do not like to think about politics--they save their anger for football. So, yes to angry rhetoric during the primary and more "Morning in America" during the general is how it is done if you are aiming for the win and not just a symbolic campaign.

If you are not convinced, remember what the "Dean scream" did to Dean?

[aspirant]

80. Revealing,

how people are jockeying for cabinet posts this early

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

81. Weird, the middle class people I know don't think 'tax the rich' means 'tax middle class people'.

I think the 'middle class' people Howard Dean knows these days might be a wee bit above 'middle' in income and wealth.

But if you want to be sure and avoid turning off the 'middle', then simply change it to 'tax the millionaires and billionaires', so the 'middle class' know you're not talking about them and their 40k a year salaries.

[irisblue]

82. I am clear tax the rich to pay their share won't hit me

sorry Dr Dean you show your self as a misogynist .

[bluestateguy]

88. Bernie Sanders strikes me as more angry than her

nt

[Jackpine Radical]

96. I think I'd use the word "passionate" here

rather than "angry;" not that anger isn't pert of it for both Bernie and Liz, but the anger is just a facet of the passion that they bring to their causes. They're "angry" like a mother hen trying to protect its chicks.

[Yavin4]

92. My response to Mr. Dean

Turned down for what?!

[Exhibit A]

98. Tone policing

From http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument:

A tone argument is an argument used in discussions, sometimes by Concern trolls and sometimes as a Derailment, in which it is suggested that feminists would be more successful if only they expressed themselves in a more pleasant tone. This is also sometimes described as catching more flies with honey than with vinegar, a particular variant of the tone argument.

The tone argument is a form of derailment, or a red herring, because the tone of a statement is independent of the content of the statement in question, and calling attention to it distracts from the issue at hand. Drawing attention to the tone rather than content of a statement can allow other parties to avoid engaging with sound arguments presented in that statement, thus undermining the original party's attempt to communicate and effectively shutting them down.

[AtomicKitten]

104. +1

[Brigid]

103. Sorry Mr Dean . . .

But many of us, including myself, *love* her tone. Go, Elizabeth Warren!

[Dawson Leery]

106. The Dean Scream is no one to talk about tone.

Dean made an ass of himself with that.

With that said, I sense sexism from Dean and Buffet.

[Arkana]

107. He's wrong.

If anything, Warren needs to crank the volume to 11 and then rip the goddamn knob off.

[John Poet]

125. Agreed. Besides,

how is the middle-class going to be "alienated" by talk of soaking the rich? Most of them are FOR it (unless they're Republicans, and who gives a damn what THEY think? They'll never vote for our candidates anyway).

There is a HUGE chunk of populace out there that wants this message, and wants to hear it LOUDER-- and a whole BUNCH of them STAYED HOME IN 2014,
because they WEREN'T HEARING IT from US!

[jwirr]

108. So Buffet says she should not be so angry and Dean says she sould not talk about taxing the rich.

So she his supposed to stop doing what we elected her to do?

[JI7]

109. anyone who knows anything about dean world not be surprised about this

Including his support for Hillary Clinton.

[Scootaloo]

110. What happened to Dean?

I was pulling for him in '04 exactly because he didn't "flannel-mouth" every goddamned thing. And now he's saying "tiptoe and play nice with the rich because they're rich?"

[langstonhues]

111. Thisi tone coming from the Clinton camp whom Dean works for just might be

enough of a shove for Warren to run. She must be really pissed off.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

113. Awww. Poor fellow. Tsk, tsk.

[n2doc]

114. He wants her to behave better!

[MisterP]

115. and 90% of us old Deaniacs condemn this move--because the Dem left

is driven by policy rather than personality: if Warren damned Sanders for moving left, or Sanders Warren, we'd condemn that just as loudly as we condemn Hillary's warmongering and pandering to The Family

[Dems to Win]

117. Warren is thee ONE national politician viewed positively in a recent focus group

At a recent 12-person in-depth focus group in Denver conducted by Peter Hart and reported in The Washington Post by Dan Balz, the only national politician who was viewed favorably was Warren — even by some of the Republican voters in the focus group.

Rather than take advantage of this positive light for Democrats, Dean is trying to shut her up.

It's Dr. Dean who needs to be quiet, in my view. Very disappointing to hear this from him.

[Hestia]

119. It is because is is vocally against the TPP and the European one (TPPI?) - got to shut her down now

and make her look shrill and out of control.

[William769]

122. Kick & recommended.

[hifiguy]

123. I no longer have an ounce of respect for Dr. Dean.

Sad. I was a huge fan of his in 2003 and strongly supported him.

Apparently the Turd Way can buy off anyone in the name of their corporate masters.

[Flo Mingo]

128. Haven't you heard, Mr. Dean?

Well behaved women rarely make history.

[Major Hogwash]

129. A record 290 newcomers join Forbes' billionaire list

Good timing, Dean!!

[CTyankee]

131. Can these men stop talking about women's anger "temperature"?

Can you STOP?

Really, you have to. It's evident. You don't get it and you need to be schooled.

Sheesh. Elizabeth, you got the word, woman!

[fadedrose]

133. Over and Over, Howard makes me glad

that I no longer use him as my avatar.....

I never put anyone ever on my ignore list, don't even know how to do that, but maybe posts about Howard should be ignored, not the person who made the OP, just the subject.

Oh, by the way, if there wasn't so much talk about the 1% having all the wealth, I wonder if Walmart would have raised their wages to $1 or so over minimum wage....are they embarrassed?

[Caretha]

135. IOW

Shut up and sit down Elizabeth....we hate truth sayers, so saith me...Dean.

Ridiculous, this country and its citizens are dying for some truth.

[greatlaurel]

137. This is a poorly written article that is trying to make something out of nothing.

The quote from Dr. Dean appears to be taken out of context from a statement he made. I would like to see the entire statement of Dr. Dean before I believe he is criticizing Senator Warren. The anti-Clinton folks eat this stuff up, but it sure looks and smells like garbage writing.

[betsuni]

139. This all amounts to The Hill of Deans.

[wyldwolf]

142. Or a Field of Deans?

[moondust]

140. "wealth creation"

-- wiping out middle class wages and benefits in order to create more absurd excess for the 0.1%.

[Enthusiast]

143. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[GeorgeGist]

144. Ditch the rich ...

and their enablers.

[KingCharlemagne]

145. Warren's rhetoric needs to be toned up, not toned down. A platform to 'soak the rich' would

be very popular and resonate loudly across the land. Does Dean think the middle class and former members of it like me are that stupid? Jesus. He and Kucinich were the only Dems running for Prez who told the truth in 2004. I guess Dean has gone over to the Dark Side now.