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http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28835-focus-who-would-arming-ukraine-actually-empowerIts easy to forget that just two years ago, President Obama was determined to bomb Syria and remove the Assad regime, and U.S. establishment institutions were working to lay the groundwork for that campaign. NPR began dutifully publishing reports from anonymous U.S. officials that Syria had stockpiled large amounts of chemical weapons; the NYT was reporting that Obama was increasing aid to the rebels and redoubling efforts to rally a coalition of like-minded countries to forcibly bring down Assad; Secretary of State John Kerry pronounced that forced removal of Assad was a matter of national security and a matter of the credibility of the United States of America.
Those opposed to the anti-Assad regime change bombing campaign argued that while some of the rebellion was composed of ordinary Syrians, the rebels the U.S. would arm and empower (i.e., the only effective anti-Assad fighters) were actually violent extremists and even terrorists aligned with Al Qaeda and worse. The people arguing that were invariably smeared as Assad apologists because this happened to be the same argument Assad was making: that the most effective fighters against him were jihadis and terrorists.
But that argument in D.C. was quickly converted from taboo into conventional wisdom the moment it was needed to justify U.S. involvement in Syria. The U.S. is now bombing Syria, of course, but rather than fighting against Assad, the Syrian dictator is (once again) Americas ally and partner. The rationale for the U.S. bombing campaign is the same one Assad long invoked: that those fighting against him are worse than he is because they are aligned with Al Qaeda and ISIS (even though the U.S. funded and armed those factions for years and their closest allies in the region continue to do so).
A similar dynamic is at play in Russia and Ukraine. Yesterday, Obamas top national security official, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, told a Senate Committee that he supports arming Ukrainian forces against Russian-backed separatists, as the Washington Post put it. The U.S. has already provided non-lethal aid to Ukrainian forces, and Obama has said he is now considering arming them. Who, exactly, would that empower?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)This turned out to be true, as Syria not only admitted they had a large stockpile but agreed to surrender them so they could be destroyed. Because of the efforts of Secretary Kerry and President Obama.
Those who insisted that Assad's regime did not use chemical weapons were those deserving of being called Assadapologists.
William769
(55,147 posts)Good term.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Seek to justify and deflect criticism of the actions of fascists like Putin and Assad, then accuse others of being authoritarian.
William769
(55,147 posts)They are hard at trying to sell to their propaganda, but no one is buying.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Exclusive: American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a regime change on Russias western border. But the coup and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront also reveal divisions within the Obama administration, reports Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
ConsortiumNews.com, February 23, 2014
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Stirring Up Trouble
Now, you have Assistant Secretary of State Nuland, the wife of prominent neocon Robert Kagan, acting as a leading instigator in the Ukrainian unrest, explicitly seeking to pry the country out of the Russian orbit. Last December, she reminded Ukrainian business leaders that, to help Ukraine achieve its European aspirations, we have invested more than $5 billion. She said the U.S. goal was to take Ukraine into the future that it deserves.
The Kagan family includes other important neocons, such as Frederick Kagan, who was a principal architect of the Iraq and Afghan surge strategies. In Duty, Gates writes that an important way station in my pilgrims progress from skepticism to support of more troops [in Afghanistan] was an essay by the historian Fred Kagan, who sent me a prepublication draft.
I knew and respected Kagan. He had been a prominent proponent of the surge in Iraq, and we had talked from time to time about both wars, including one long evening conversation on the veranda of one of Saddams palaces in Baghdad.
Now, another member of the Kagan family, albeit an in-law, has been orchestrating the escalation of tensions in Ukraine with an eye toward one more regime change.
As for Nulands sidekick, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Pyatt previously served as a U.S. diplomat in Vienna involved in bringing the International Atomic Energy Agency into a line with U.S. and Israeli hostility toward Iran. A July 9, 2009, cable from Pyatt, which was released by Pvt. Bradley Manning, revealed Pyatt to be the middleman who coordinated strategy with the U.S.-installed IAEA director-general Yukiya Amano.
Pyatt reported that Amano offered to cooperate with the U.S. and Israel on Iran, including having private meetings with Israeli officials, supporting U.S. sanctions, and agreeing to IAEA personnel changes favored by the United States. According to the cable, Pyatt promised strong U.S. backing for Amano and Amano asked for more U.S. money. (See Consortiumnews.coms Americas Debt to Bradley Manning.)
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https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)of John Kerry & Barack Obama"
It started early on Monday, when Kerry broached the idea of Syria handing its arsenal of chemical weapons to international control. But Kerry immediately dismissed the idea, saying Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad "isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously."
Shortly after, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announced that Moscow would be willing to support it, and his Syrian counterpart quickly welcomed the concept.
With the administration fighting an uphill battle to win support from Congress for military action, a U.S. official told CNN on condition of anonymity that Kerry's remarks were a "major goof." Kerry spokeswoman Jen Psaki sought to roll back the comments, saying he was simply responding to a "hypothetical."
But by Monday evening, President Barack Obama called it a welcome development "if true," warning that it couldn't be used as an opportunity for Syria to stall for time.
Obama told CNN that the threat of American force "has prompted some interesting conversations," including one he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Group of 20 economic summit Putin hosted in St. Petersburg.
"When I was at the G20, we had some time to discuss this, and I believe that Mr. Putin does not see the use of chemical weapons as a good thing inside of Syria or anyplace else," Obama said.
And by Tuesday morning, Kerry told the House Armed Services Committee that the Russian plan "is not something that, you know, suddenly emerged, though it did publicly."
"President Putin raised the issue with President Obama at St. Petersburg. President Obama directed us to try to continue to talk and see if it is possible," he said.
The plan appears to have taken on "a life of its own" in the past day and could help Washington and Moscow reach "a mutually face-saving solution," said Andrew Kuchins, director of the Russia and Eurasia Program and the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.
"This is really a rabbit out of a hat," Kuchins said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/10/politics/kerry-syria/
When asked in London on Monday what Syria could do to avoid a U.S. missile strike aimed at crippling its chemical weapon arsenal, Kerry replied that Syrian President Bashar Assad would have to give up his weapons within seven days. Implicit in the flippant remark: Just blowing off a little steam here, folks; it's not gonna happen.
Except Syrias ally, Russia, took the suggestion seriously.
So did Syrias foreign minister, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Britains prime minister, who had been slapped down by his own parliament when asked to support a U.S. strike. So, for that matter, did former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, both of whom suggested such a move would be welcome.
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The widespread, positive response makes the presidents plan for military action look even more precipitous and poorly thought out than it looked last week, when even then it was clear that most Americans, for myriad reasons, oppose military action against Syria.
(And even the president acknowledged as much when he told CNN during a blitz of network television interviews on Monday that the idea was "a potentially positive development." Though he argued that the threat of military action had given Syrians "pause."
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On Monday, the New York Times reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov even suggested that Syria might also sign the treaty that bans the manufacture, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-a-flippant-remark-by-john-kerry-about-syria-changes-the-calculusruntimeinclude-sluglamerobinabcarian-20130909-story.html
uhnope
(6,419 posts)lol
bhikkhu
(10,716 posts)which might, at least, be the most peaceful solution.
The worst thing would be a renewal of the territorial war, which might happen if Russia (or its proxies) felt that Ukraine had no real backing and was weak enough to be rolled over. In which case, Ukraine might find enough backing to turn a likely Russian victory into a years-long bloodbath - with East and West posturing puff-chested in their respective media outlets, spinning the rising Ukranian body-count to political advantage, this way or that.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)capable of not being steamrolled by Russia.