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Norman Rockwell updated by Mad Magazine (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 OP
to be fair mwrguy Mar 2015 #1
and a black child would not be found at a soda fountain. randr Mar 2015 #3
I think that's part of the image's brilliance. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #16
Seriously...no he wasn't brooklynite Mar 2015 #17
Whatever you do don't reach for the candy bar kid. n/t pa28 Mar 2015 #2
I think you mean ... doughnut, right Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #4
Oh, I see the difference - no smoking. leveymg Mar 2015 #5
Mary Engelbreit had a good one, too. pamela Mar 2015 #6
BRAVO!!! MyOwnPeace Mar 2015 #7
I've been an illustrator for fifty years, and... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #11
You're right. pamela Mar 2015 #12
I love ME -- she's got the touch Hekate Mar 2015 #15
Oh my Billy O was there ok in the 2015 version kydo Mar 2015 #8
FYI Rockwell was not as one-dimensional as some think uhnope Mar 2015 #9
It's a sign of the times... Jerry442 Mar 2015 #18
That really hurts libodem Mar 2015 #10
Depending on the group zentrum Mar 2015 #13
Actually it's when the use of force became the FIRST resort rather than the last.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #22
The pile on mentality is out of control libodem Mar 2015 #23
We need to arrest peace officers for disturbing the peace. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #26
if the kid was white it would probalby be similar to 58 JI7 Mar 2015 #14
Kick SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #19
Awesome! I've wanted to see this for awhile. raouldukelives Mar 2015 #20
Jul 31, 2012............ wow ahead of the curve n/t Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #21
Wow libodem Mar 2015 #25
I am so glad I have kids... Mad is more subversive than ever.. SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #24

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
16. I think that's part of the image's brilliance.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 08:46 AM
Mar 2015

It's easy to consider it progress that a black child can sit at the soda fountain while ignoring the reality of what the experience would actually be like. So he can sit there, but is that really progress?

brooklynite

(94,728 posts)
17. Seriously...no he wasn't
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:11 AM
Mar 2015

The freedom marches were in the 60s, and Norman Rockwell's America in this period was centered in New England.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
6. Mary Engelbreit had a good one, too.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

I realize she's probably the Olive Garden of illustrators compared to Norman Rockwell but she's very progressive and took a lot of heat over this illustration when she posted it on Facebook. She got a lot of backlash and then just doubled down. It was cool.

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gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
11. I've been an illustrator for fifty years, and...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:02 PM
Mar 2015

... Engelbreit is no Olive Garden. Though I know you mean well, that is a disservice to her skill. She just has a different style for a different audience.

To those that gave her a hard time over this piece: It would be my very great pleasure to introduce a red-hot cattle prod to your nether portal, repeatedly and with great vigor.

My contempt for bigots has no boundaries.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
12. You're right.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:35 PM
Mar 2015

I meant that kind of tongue-in-cheek because I figured I'd get slammed for posting a Mary Engelbreit on a DU Norman Rockwell thread. I like her and I like illustration as an artform. I only threw the Olive Garden comment in to pre-empt what I was afraid would turn into another epic sub-thread.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
10. That really hurts
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:42 PM
Mar 2015

It sends such a threatening message on our most public face of the government.

They seem to be out to get us especially with practices like ticket quotas and check points.

All the no knock raids. All the riot gear. All the swat teams. All the drug raids. All the shooting.of the homeless and mentally ill.. The tazings. The beatings.. The bait cars.

I'm.sick of the mentality of Authoritarianism. .

Fuck the Establishment.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
13. Depending on the group
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:13 PM
Mar 2015

….you were in, the cops were, in reality, like this back in the 50's too.
As well as during the anti-war demos in the 60's.

There's a documentary called "Salt of the Earth" about unionizing miners in one of the western states. Very progressive movie. Michael Moore says it was the film that first inspired him to make documentaries. Anyway, it was allowed a one-time screening in Denver Colorado and the movie attendees had to walk into the theater through two columns of armed policemen, as if they were dangerous criminals. This was during the days of HUAC. So, as I say, the MAD picture could have applied back then too, because there were little kids in the "criminal" audience too.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. Actually it's when the use of force became the FIRST resort rather than the last....
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

That led to hiring people who think that's a whole lotta fun.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
23. The pile on mentality is out of control
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:54 PM
Mar 2015

And protecting each others' asses, rather than the public citizen, seems to be a combat-like army attitude.

Are they simply at war with the public?

JI7

(89,264 posts)
14. if the kid was white it would probalby be similar to 58
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:16 PM
Mar 2015

just as if the kid was black it would be the same in both times

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