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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:44 PM Feb 2015

Marijuana is much safer than alcohol or tobacco, according to a new study

Marijuana is much safer than alcohol or tobacco, according to a new study
By Sean O'Kane
on February 23, 2015 05:35 pm

Marijuana is roughly 114 times less deadly than alcohol, according to recent findings published in the journal Scientific Reports. Of the seven drugs included in the study, alcohol was the deadliest at an individual level, followed by heroin, cocaine, tobacco, ecstasy, methamphetamines, and marijuana. Previous studies consistently ranked marijuana as the safest recreational drug, but it was not known that the discrepancy was this large.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/23/8093203/marijuana-is-much-safer-than-alcohol-or-tobacco-according-to-a-new

Big Pharma, the private prison industry and law enforcement all want to keep the safest drug out there illegal because they rake in billions and billions of dollars from it.
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Marijuana is much safer than alcohol or tobacco, according to a new study (Original Post) workinclasszero Feb 2015 OP
Again, my only problem with this study is that Cannabis is NOT deadly... tridim Feb 2015 #1
Exactly... freebrew Feb 2015 #2
it's not exactly zero Enrique Feb 2015 #4
it IS zero Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #5
i included that fact in my post Enrique Feb 2015 #9
how do you quantify that which doesn't exist? Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #10
there is a place for hypotheticals in research Enrique Feb 2015 #12
It is physcially impossible to ingest enough Cannabis to cause death. tridim Feb 2015 #7
the LD50 for cannabis is entirely theoretical TheSarcastinator Feb 2015 #11
The most dangerous thing about MJ.. WDIM Feb 2015 #3
Very true workinclasszero Feb 2015 #14
munchies draytontiffanie Feb 2015 #6
Hell, you can't even shoplift Stryst Feb 2015 #8
music wordpix Feb 2015 #15
k&r... spanone Feb 2015 #13

tridim

(45,358 posts)
1. Again, my only problem with this study is that Cannabis is NOT deadly...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

So how can it be 114 times less deadly than alcohol?

0 x 114 = 0, not 114.

Are they saying that one cannabis user dies for every 114 that die from alcohol? I hope that's not the claim, because that is a lie.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
2. Exactly...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:07 PM
Feb 2015

not one recorded, verified death has ever been attributed to pot use.
Lots of deaths from trying to keep it illegal, though.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
4. it's not exactly zero
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:14 PM
Feb 2015

it's very low, but not zero.

And the numbers are not incidences of death (there are none for marijuana). The numbers refer to the size of a lethal dose.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
5. it IS zero
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:18 PM
Feb 2015

Not one death ever has been attributable exclusively to cannabis - deaths from other causes while high are coincidental not cause-effect. You can't get to a "lethal dose" (you'd fall asleep long before), unless perhaps you specifically rig an experiment to make that happen.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
9. i included that fact in my post
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

I think this study is consistent with what you are saying, except instead of saying you "can't" get a lethal dose, since they are researchers, they quantify what a lethal dose would be, and conclude that is is extremely high compared to alcohol and tobacco.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
10. how do you quantify that which doesn't exist?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:34 PM
Feb 2015

Their "lethal dose" is purely hypothetical, and asserting that it exists even for research purposes contradicts the evidence. There is no number that you can put next to "lethal dose of cannabis" that will stand up to scrutiny.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
12. there is a place for hypotheticals in research
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:40 PM
Feb 2015

you sometimes do estimate the risk of things which have not happened yet.

Sometimes as in this study, the risk is so low that you conclude that there is no practical risk.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
7. It is physcially impossible to ingest enough Cannabis to cause death.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:28 PM
Feb 2015

Therefore the LD50 for Cannabis doesn't exist. AKA it's bullshit.

The actual death rate from Cannabis is statistically zero over the entire span of human history. It is NOT deadly, ever.

It is factually inaccurate to imply that cannabis is "deadly" relative to alcohol (or any other deadly substance for that matter), as the article does.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
11. the LD50 for cannabis is entirely theoretical
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:16 PM
Feb 2015

it has never actually been reached, although many of us have valiant efforts throughout the years.

If cannabis could actually kill you at all via overdose it would have happened by now here in Colorado and the media would have been all over it ("Death by Dabs!!!!&quot . Each day that goes by in Denver with a reduced rates of auto crash deaths and suicides of young men (both directly on the decline since legalization) is another day the proves the lies of the Losers of the War on Some Drugs.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Very true
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:29 PM
Feb 2015

And if you are black, the chances of you getting busted for pot are way way higher than white people. Theres a study somewhere.

Race is another reason TPTB want to keep pot illegal. It keeps their prisons full of of minorities.

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