I'm thoroughly disgusted: FCC = secret ruling = net neutrality is false

[joshcryer]

I, frankly, am done responding to the nonsense. It belies belief that we could get such an utterly remarkable ruling, and it be twisted and turned to the point of complete convolution. It's as if nothing ever good can ever happen under this administration. It is shameless the depths that it goes. I cannot comprehend how people can think this way.

We're talking about hundreds of people, if not thousands, working over every scratch of legal precedent and administrative law, from lawyers to paralegals to secretaries, to even politicians and interns and even probably acquaintances of such (people who are just kind of listening and giving their ideas).

The very idea that there's some grand conspiracy behind perfectly normal administrative procedure to pass the new net neutrality rules is so beyond me that I just give up, you win. In fact, I pledge to leave this site until the new rules are posted, because this, like the Cuba relations, like immigration reform, is just another issue that deserves such monumental respect for this administration and its appointees, but no one can step away from the keyboard and see how great it is. We should be celebrating!

Net fucking neutrality. 2015. We've been fighting this for a decade. And I bet most people don't even realize that ISPs were Title II until Bush changed it in 2005. That's right. Bush changed ISPs to Title I in 2005. Thus opening up throttling, blocking, and fastlanes to the ISPs. Bush deregulated ISPs. And we're merely going back to ISPs being Title II. And suddenly, it's some bizarre conspiracy where everything is backroom secret deals and there's assuredly something in there that will strip away our freedoms.

I'm done. See you in a couple of weeks when the ruling is finalized. And I fucking guarantee you all the conspiracy claptrap will be silent, they won't apologize for spreading their hateful screeds, they'll just slinker off. It's shameful. Absolutely shameful.

We should be celebrating! A decade long fight by internet junkies, computer geeks, and yet, it's all a scam! Fuck that. I will celebrate on my own. As I certainly cannot celebrate here. I spent all day yesterday here and there were a handful of topics that cared! And then I got into arguments with people bashing it! It's crap. I'm off to celebrate.

Net neutrality is here, people. You have no idea what this means. If you do you'll understand where I am coming from.

[Enrique]

1. the new rules being that everyone needs to come to the same judgement as you?

I like this ruling and I attribute it to Obama.

I haven't heard contrary opinions about it yet, but I'm going to look for them, because that's what I always do. Maybe it will turn out they are right. The last thing I want is for contrary opinions to be banned.

[geek tragedy]

8. People are complaining because the final rule hasn't been published yet

which means somehow that there's something evil going on.

Most people apparently do not know that final rules aren't final until they get published.

[geek tragedy]

2. Where are people complaining about it?

If there are complaints, they have been relatively rare.

[Scuba]

3. You seem to have confused concerns about the secrecy with concerns about net neutrality.

[geek tragedy]

4. you Better Believe It!

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Rules aren't final until they're published. If it hasn't been published, it isn't final.

This is basic admin law.

[BainsBane]

5. The best way to discourage activism

Is to tell people it's all pointless. That is how the status quo is maintained.

[Fumesucker]

6. I celebrated it until I started listening to you..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6285310

It seems every time I have a conversation with you I end up walking away wondering just what the hell you are trying to say.

[DanTex]

7. Stick around. DU needs people who know what they are talking about.

There are always going to be clueless people who think everything is a conspiracy. But there are also people who aren't clueless, and have learned to wade through all that noise.

[freshwest]

9. Thanks, josh.

[strategery blunder]

10. I opened this thread expecting to have to reply with a similar rant

Instead I find myself in near perfect agreement.

In 2010 I completed my paralegal certificate, though that was a really, really bad time for someone who isn't a natural networker (too shy) to enter the field. (It didn't help me, either, that the paralegal program at my school was cancelled due to budget cuts, and though I completed a teach-out, prospective employers cut all communications with my school the second the announcement was made, which completely neutered any employment placement assistance/referrals I may have received). I ended up finding work outside of the field.

I will, however, say that a majority of what I learned during my paralegal studies should be considered part of a basic civics education. Constitutional law, business law, administrative law, employment law...all stuff that should be surveyed senior year of high school IMO. I have a feeling that very, very few of those that carp on "OMG GOVERNMENT REGULATION!!!111!!" have ever taken a course in administrative law--and even a second-day student in such a class would understand that rules such as the FCC just voted on take time to actually draft and publish, let alone become effective.

Stuff like court rules and procedures, writing pleadings, legal ethics...that can stay specific to legal training IMO but civics education is so diluted in this country that basic knowledge of government operations, your rights during police interactions/business disputes/in the workplace etc. are bottlenecked behind training for a specific field rather than being taught to every prospective voter. Would Scott Walker have really survived his recall if every voter in Wisconsin had learned why unions exist during a survey employment law course and could recognize what the governor was doing, for example?

[Aerows]

11. Exactly

what makes you so outraged, sir?

[steve2470]

12. It's a victory, as you said

In the next few weeks, the staff and the commissioners have to iron out all the fine details. Unless something really weird happens, I think we're going to like the final outcome. We may quibble over this or that regulation, but the end result will be wonderful, in general.

If you really think about it, our government has never been totally transparent. Yes, it should be as transparent as possible, but this small bit of "secrecy" doesn't bother me. After all, we the people gave the FCC a huge amount of public feedback against the greedy desires of the giant ISP's. We won, for a change!

[Hekate]

13. Kick and celebrate