I guess I'm alone for Hillary.

[tavernier]

judging from the negative reviews.

I like her style, passion, and experience. I especially like her intelligence.

I think as POTUS she would work for women and family rights.

But mostly, I think she would work harder in high heels and makeup than most POTUS, since a lot more would be expected of her.

[Rex]

1. Reviews from where?

[tavernier]

5. DU

She seems to be the wicked witch on most threads.

[Rex]

6. I dunno, I think a lot of people here do like her. The noise level about her is elevated on DU.

Much more so than in RL imo. I think many people in RL view her as a moderate and will vote for her.

[NaturalHigh]

2. Nope, I'm with you.

If she runs, she'll get my vote.

[misterhighwasted]

3. Not alone at all. Do visit the Hillary Group under Dems

Haters gonna hate.
All I know for certain is that Teabaggin Repukes will be the death of our Nation.

[hrmjustin]

4. Not alone.

[SheilaT]

7. You are not even remotely alone.

If you want to immerse yourself in a Hillary lovefest, just go to the Hillary forum, where not a single critical word is ever heard.

[tavernier]

9. I'm not interested in a love fest.

I will choose her or not, depending on a lot of factors in the next few months.

[misterhighwasted]

11. Well yes, that's what protected Groups are generally for.

There are a number of protected groups.
Perfectly acceptable to have a place for discussions with like-minded DUers.
Not exactly a love fest, but certainly protected from the chatter found in General Discussion.

[zappaman]

66. You should see the Barack Obama group!

Can you believe there are Democrats that actually like him?

[DescendantOfMany]

8. I'm just a Democrat.

The Democratic Party is my favorite, so that's how I vote. Hillary will make a good president.

I'm far too apathetic to be one of the activist types who are perfectly content with perpetually swimming against the current. I'm glad those types exist, but I'm not one of them. I've tried to wear that mask, but it just falls off and collects dust.

[Fumesucker]

12. Welcome to DU!

[bigwillq]

13. Welcome to DU!

[bigwillq]

10. Good for you.

You vote for her. And don't let anyone make you think differently. You are free to vote for the candidate of your choice, and you should be proud to do so.

I am not a fan of Hillary, but I am not in the business of telling people who they should or shouldn't vote for.

[nolabear]

14. Nope, not alone. The sturm und drang here just doesn't appeal.

Once she's declared and begun to state her platform I'll have something to say, but lobbing poo back that's been lobbed over seems pointless.

[ALBliberal]

15. HRC is so far above anything the right has to offer

Heck ya I will vote for Hillary yep in a heartbeat. Intelligent self made woman. To think that we may have the first woman as president immediately following the first African American. I love the Democratic party!

[NanceGreggs]

16. According to the polls ...

... and there have been many, you are far from alone.

"I think she would work harder in high heels and makeup than most POTUS, since a lot more would be expected of her."

I hadn't really thought about that aspect - but it's a very astute observation on your part.

[KMOD]

17. I find the criticism of Hillary Clinton at this point to be

very destructive. She has not even announced that she is running and yet here we are, eating our own.

[FSogol]

56. It isn't anything specific, it is just generalized tearing down of candidates.

If certain folks here really, truly do not want HRC, then they should be promoting their favored candidates, not working on tearing down all the other Democrats.

[akbacchus_BC]

18. Are you serious? Some how I think you are being facetious!

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I'll support her if she's the nominee.

I may even support her for the nomination.

But no one is entitled to automatic support yet.

[Hekate]

21. I haven't marked my ballot yet, am hoping for a good primary, but think she's a powerful candidate

So, as others in this thread have already pointed out, you are far from alone.

The problem at DU/GD is a small but very vocal and hateful group that tag-team each other in seeing how many lies and distortions they can post about HRC in an effort to destroy her in our minds and keep us home on election day. I don't know how they manage to avoid being tombstoned, but apparently each post individually doesn't trigger that -- yet. Some day someone in MIRT will look at the overall record, or maybe the band of posters will treat us to a meltdown the way R just did and be escorted to the door that way.

I have a dream, anyway.

[Ron Green]

22. She's a twofer. The Right hates her, and the Left

(of which I'm a part) wants better. How can we miss with that much antipathy?

[Katashi_itto]

25. 3rd Wayers love to ignore the obvious everything is great according to them.

I have one defending TPP now saying its the "Reality"

[leftynyc]

23. No - you're not

I will not only enthusiastically vote for her, I will volunteer for her campaign. She's going to make a terrific President.

[Scuba]

24. I agree she would work hard.

But not for us.

[Katashi_itto]

26. +1000.5

[RedCappedBandit]

27. +++

[MannyGoldstein]

28. What more does the left want?

The Third Way, starring Hillary and Bill, have run our Party for the past 20+ years. Things have gone really, really well for us. Who wouldn't want more of the same?

[Renew Deal]

36. Bill and Hillary get elected

Kerry and Obama came from the left and we got Obama elected. How have the Kucinich's and Gebharts of the world done?

[MannyGoldstein]

43. How'd those 2014 elections work out?

The Third Way has been losing elections like crazy for decades. IIRC, Hillary was getting her clock cleaned in NY before Guiliani dropped out due to cancer.

[Renew Deal]

52. Where are the "progressive" victories in presidential elections?

Numbers don't prevent the far left from getting candidates elected in presidential primaries. Lets look at how they have worked out since 1980:

Kennedy: Lost in the primary
Hart and Jackson: Lost in the primary
Mondale: Trainwreck in the general election
Gephardt: Last place in a 5 person race
Brown, Kerrey, Tsongas, Harkin: All lost. Harkin is 5th in a 5 person race. Clinton elected and reelected
Bradley: lost, but Gore was pretty good. He lost too
Dean, Edwards, Gephardt, Kucinich: All lost
Kucinich, Dodd, Biden, Edwards: All lost. Obama came from the left. He was elected and reelected.

Where are those far left victories? When will they deliver on their talk?

[trumad]

29. no you're not

[orpupilofnature57]

30. Does it have anything to do with the 1% , and the way they feel about her ?

[brooklynite]

35. No, because plenty of the 99% like her as well.

[leftofcool]

40. Yes, about 68% of us.

[Dawgs]

54. Not alone. There are about 10 others on DU that like her for those same wrong reasons. n/t

[liberal N proud]

31. She has more support here than you think

Most of us just don't want to engage in the haters.

Haters usually have to much drama for me, so I just leave them alone.

[joshcryer]

32. Don't let it get to you.

Just wait until she wins and you can revel in the madness. Everyone on the fringe hates her.

[Renew Deal]

33. You're a part of the overwhelming majority if the real Democrats in the real Democratic Party

The internet isn't completely representative of reality. Between the fringe and the paid disrupters you'd think that Rand Paul and Hillary Haters are the two most popular factions.

[Kalidurga]

34. I don't hate her

I do hate the drum beat of inevitability. If she makes it past the primaries I will vote for her. I would rather she take a different office or appointment in the cabinet preferably.

So, I am not going to jump on the hate bandwagon it seems a bit to full for me anyway. Nor am I going to sing her praises I can't carry a tune in a bucket anyway.

[GeorgeGist]

37. High heels and makeup

[sendero]

38. HRC....

... is George Bush in a bra. Working hard is not much of an endorsement. Termites work hard at destroying your house. What work you are going to do matters. I'm not voting for anyone who isn't going to work for the 99% on ECONOMIC ISSUES.

I totally think everyone should vote (or not vote) their conscience. That is what I am going to do.

[denbot]

44. HRC would not appoint a Roberts, or Alioto to the Supreme Court.

So no, she is not W in heels

[sendero]

48. Ah...

.... the old SCOTUS argument.

That's all HRC supporters got, she may be third way, she may be nothing less than a water-carrier for the rich and a certified neocon, but she'll make better SCOTUS choices.

I really don't care.

[One of the 99]

59. I'm not a fan of Hillary but that is ridiculous

And all you do is damage your own credibility by making a statement like that. It is just trying to demonize someone for the sake of it.

[sendero]

60. Instead.

... of making a vague blanket condemnation of "ridiculous", why don't you get specific so I can destroy whatever pathetic argument you think you have?

[One of the 99]

64. As specific as you were

And your statement was ridiculous which is why you can't defend it and decided to attack instead. People like you are the real Republican-lites because you use the same dishonest tactics.

[sendero]

65. I'm not Republican lite ..

... HRC damn sure is that. Tell you what, I said she is a neocon and a corporate whore, what else do you want?

Prove me wrong or shut up.

And while I am at it, I base a certain amount of my distaste for HRC on her husband. His tenure, with such glowing accomplishments as NAFTA, "free" trade with China, the end of "welfare as we know it", the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization act , the Telecommunications act, and on and on and on set the stage for the disaster of an economy we have right now. And back in the day we were always told that HRC was a key player in the administration so I think it's fair to assume she would continue her husband's disastrous legacy.

[One of the 99]

80. Those are all valid points

You should have made in the first place instead of resorting to a ridiculous attack.

[Vinca]

39. I'm sure most Democrats would vote for Hillary in the end, but

it's nice to be true to ourselves every so often and support who we're really passionate about in the primaries. Hillary is certainly qualified, capable and will most likely be the next POTUS. But for me, she doesn't have the hard-to-define quality known as "It." In the end she'll get my vote, but in the interim I'm supporting Bernie. That's the best I can do.

[99Forever]

41. Alone?

Nah, but I'm not with you. I don't vote for Republicans, no matter what disguise they wear.

[misterhighwasted]

46. Hillary isn't a Republican. Never has been.

Well that brief gig as a teenage Goldwater girl. Bu then people can change. Look what happened with E Warren. Republican for a great part of her political career but one day she too switched to a Dem.
See. It happens just like that.

[99Forever]

53. Takes more than a letter behind...

... your name to qualify as "not a Republican" to this lifelong actual Democrat, and Republican Lite economic policies and warmongering, corporatist crap don't meet that standard.

See? Republican policies = Republican politician.

[misterhighwasted]

55. Haa. Okay then go ahead & puke up a vote for Jeb.

Enjoy your self serving win when Jeb, Cruz, Walker completes the wet dream of pushing women down to the level of the Saudis.
Thanks. Stand on your principles. The Rovian machine will appreciate that & maybe even reward you for giving them the opportunity to send this country back to medival ages when women & girls had no power at all.

Enjoy your Fundie Christian Nation then. You helped build it.
I'll work for the Dem nom in 2016 & know I had a part in keeping women's issues from being sent backwards.

Go ahead & vote for whomever you want.
I will stick with Mrs Rodham Clinton because she has always endorsed the progress & equality of women when the PTB suggested she shut up. She is far from a Republican.
Pity you.

[99Forever]

71. No sale.

I will indeed vote "for whomever er I please" with or without your permission. It DAMN SURE won't be for a Clinton or Bush. Nor do I accept your false blame game. It's pretty damn simple, put up a candidate that addresses MY issues also, or lose my support and vote. End of debate.

[misterhighwasted]

72. Oh FFS. join the HHClub & be on your way.

Troll away. Clearly we will never convince each other so if you want to Really make some progress with your HHClub then try Yahoo comment pages. You will certainly find mutual pals there.
Ignore to you.

[99Forever]

73. What the fuck is a "HHClub?"

Some high school drama thing?

[misterhighwasted]

74. Not high school at all. but those that belong are certainly acting as such.

[99Forever]

75. Couldn't say..

Since I have no idea what the fuck a "HHCLUB" is.

[RiverLover]

50. +1

The only thing worse than a Republican is a Republican(D).

[Iggo]

42. Yeah, it's just you, I guess.

[cwydro]

45. You're not alone.

I'm with ya.

[Capt. Obvious]

47. Your ignore list must be huge

[tavernier]

49. I've never put anyone on ignore.

That's junior high stuff.

[Capt. Obvious]

51. Oh I get it then

You were using hyperbole in your OP.

[Autumn]

57. I like Hillary, I like her style, passion, and experience and her intelligence.

She has a wicked sense of humor, her compassion is off the rails. Hell I even like her laugh. Had she been elected in 2008 we would have had real health care reform, with a public option. That was her baby. All that being said, I'm sorry another 4 or 8 years of a continuation of the same economic policies benefiting the wealthy, corporations, trimmed bones tossed to the middle class while pretending that the poor don't exist and the poor working class just needs to work harder is not something that I can or will support.

[FLPanhandle]

58. I think she will be a much more effective POTUS than Obama

She knows the ropes in Washington, she knows the foreign leaders, she knows how to make deals.

Frankly, she will probably be the most effective president in a long time.

[workinclasszero]

61. No way, I back her one million percent!

If she is the nominee. Whoever the democratic nominee is I will back because the worst democrat is a million times better than any of the theocratic fascists in the republican clown car, and thats a damn fact!

And yes, Hillary is tough and will put the fear of God into those yellow right wing cowards!!

[closeupready]

62. Well, I'm not with you, if you mean you support her candidacy. I like her okay.

I just think she would be an absolute disaster for liberals and progressives, and what we value.

[itcfish]

63. I am for Hillary

100%

[hamsterjill]

67. I think Hillary is terrific.

I think she's the best the Democratic party has to offer and I'll be voting for her.

If she hasn't proven herself over the last few years, first as a Senator and then as Secretary of State, then I don't know what it would take for someone to prove themselves.

[Bradical79]

68. Obviously that's not true

I assume you're using hyperbole to make a point. Really though, would I vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins the primary? Most likely. I haven't become fed up enough yet to support the burn it all down strategy of letting the GoP win the presidency. They are cartoon villain evil at this point.

I also think she is very intelligent, hard working, and has excellent leadership qualities. That said, there are still seemingly legitimate serious concerns about her that I haven't seen legitimately addressed like the TPP and ties to Wallstreet that have been brought up.

[William769]

69. Kick & recommended.

[rock]

70. Apparently it's just you and me

And the rest of the 97% Dems who are for her.

[redstatebluegirl]

76. I am not against Hillary.

I have not made up my mind yet which is my right. I want to see who is in the primary an vote my values as all of us should. I am tired of the party choosing who the front runner is and expect all of us to fall in line. I am a progressive, I do not see this in Hillary but maybe once she starts running and saying something I will see that in her.

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. You stand with 91% of very liberal voters, according to the PPP Poll, and 57% of Democrats

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22515.pdf

[calimary]

78. Not at all!

No she's not perfect. But she's smart and tough and she's the best chance we have to keep the White House in friendly hands.

As LynneSin so aptly and eloquently put it -

"...the idea of a republican in the White House is far scarier than Hillary Clinton."

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. Not a chance...don't pay attention to the "vocal minority" on DU

[RedstDem]

81. she would work tirelessly for the citizens

Hey ultra wealthy people are citizens too.

[KamaAina]

82. Hardly.

There are enough HRC supporters around here to support a, um, vigorous discussion with those of us who oppose her.