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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAl Roker Says Harsh Weather Conditions This Winter Are Result Of Climate Change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/al-roker-climate-change-storms_n_6746786.html"I think it is," Roker replied. "You can't point to any one event and say, 'This is climate change,' but what climate change opens the door for -- allows for -- are more extreme swings of weather."
Roker pointed to the contradiction between the lack of rainfall on the West Coast and the deluge of snow and ice on the East Coast.
"Climate change makes that more possible," he told King, adding that he prefers the term climate change to global warming.
Hoo boy. A believer in science and an African American. This ought to make him real popular over at Faux and FR!
CurtEastPoint
(18,664 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)for predicting a chance of showers on the day of the 'Dittohead Picnic"!
randys1
(16,286 posts)This reminds us that the clown car potential prez candidates are all being trained by one person or another how to be dumb
They have to be dumb to get the nomination, and some of them come by that naturally, but some have to be trained
former9thward
(32,082 posts)He did not take a significant number of science courses in college which is why he has a BA not a BS.
His degree is communications. He is a weather reader. His opinions on climate change have as much meaning as a random person walking down the street in front of NBC.
valerief
(53,235 posts)You know, like a journalist does.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Please point to peer reviewed articles or books Roker has written on the subject. Please point to an actual scientist that Roker talked to that gave him the information which lead to these specific comments. Thanks in advance.
valerief
(53,235 posts)If you don't trust him, you do the search. I believe the climate scientists and the journalists who speak for them.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)to back you up. No thanks.
valerief
(53,235 posts)provide links. Congrats, you've won a seat on my Ignore list.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)talked to scientists who gave him this information. And not a link...
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)so that makes your opinions of him have as much meaning as a random person walking down the street.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)he has the credibility of an actual scientist. No that is anti-science. I do know his background. Do you?
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)I guarantee he knows more than right wing blowhards.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)So? Is that now the standard to make scientific statements? Maybe in your world, not mine.
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)The statement stands. Did you miss the first sentence?
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Reading is not science. Maybe for you. If a RW said they read something and then made a comment on climate change you would immediately denounce them and ask what degree they had and what peer reviewed articles and books he had written.
Kingofalldems
(38,487 posts)It's safe to assume he's done a lot of reading AND studying. His opinion is worth much more than Limbaugh's or yours for that matter.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Hint. Nothing to do with science...
GP6971
(31,220 posts)that a person who works in a field outside of their degree can't be knowledgeable of the field they work in. That will go over well with a lot of people.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)make a pronouncement about climate change. Got it....
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
former9thward
(32,082 posts)He has refused to debate the issue. And well he should. He is is the farthest from a scientist that anyone could be. What is his degree in?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)giving scientific pronouncements shouldn't you be asking him those questions? You won't because you will not like the answers.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)background is so that I can judge whether your opinions are more reliable than the other person who is not a scientist.
Meanwhile, here is an excerpt from a report by some real scientists you can rely on.
"A global network of profiling floats that provides scientists the most accurate means of observing energy accumulation in the climate system has detected an increase in the temperature of the worlds oceans over a recent eight-year period.
Researchers led by Dean Roemmich, a physical oceanographer at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, UC San Diego, found that the top 2,000 meters (6,500 feet) of the worlds oceans warmed at a rate of 0.4 to 0.6 watts per square meter (W/m 2) between 2006 and 2013. The rate translates to a warming of roughly 0.005° C (0.009° F) per year in the top 500 meters of ocean and 0.002° C (0.0036° F) per year at depths between 500 and 2,000 meters.
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When we measure globally and deep enough, we see a steady rise in the earths heat content, consistent with the expected greenhouse gas-driven imbalance in our planets radiation budget, said study co-author Susan Wijffels of Australian research agency the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO).
The study puts a widely reported hiatus in global surface air temperatures since 1998 into context. Roemmich said the study illustrates that the hiatus in warming of the sea surface and the lower atmosphere is not representative of the steady, continuing heat gain by the climate system. Scientists measure that heat gain in terms of increasing temperature averaged over the water column.
More
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/distinct-rise-global-ocean-temperatures-detected
If you have doubts about global warming, you can get on one of Scripps' ships and see what is going on for yourself, how global warming is measured and tracked. Here you go:
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/blogs-and-expeditions
Have fun. Enjoy the snow while you can. I'm in California. It's warm here. Really warm. I have lots of sweaters. I wore them often in past years. This year, I've worn them, but rarely. Today the temperature in my back yard is 71.5 and it is only 10:53 am. We used to have winters with rain and fairly cold weather. Basil dies when it is cold. My basil has lasted through the winter. This is the first year that has happened.
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/blogs-and-expeditions
You don't have to be a scientist to understand global warming. You just have to be interested in reading what scientists report from their studies.
Here is an excerpt from the EPA report on climate change and the Northeast.
"Over the last several decades, the Northeast has experienced noticeable changes in its climate. Since 1970, the average annual temperature rose by 2°F and the average winter temperature increased by 4°F. [2] Heavy precipitation events increased in magnitude and frequency. For the region as a whole, the majority of winter precipitation now falls as rain, not snow. [2] Climate scientists project that these trends will continue.
As seen in the map, New Hampshire's summers could be as warm as North Carolina's summers are today by the end of this century. Over the same period, Boston is projected to experience an increase in the number of days reaching 100°F from an average of one per year between 1961 and 1990 to as many as 24 days per year by 2100. [2] Under a higher emissions scenario, Philadelphia and Hartford could see as many as 30 days per year with temperatures reaching 100°F. [2]
Precipitation and Sea Level Rise Impacts
Bar chart that shows the observed and projected days per year over 90 and 100 degrees Fahrenheit in Boston, Massachusetts. Between 1961 and 1990 there was an average of about nine days per year over 90 degrees. The projections of average number of days per year over 90 degrees Fahrenheit for the lower emissions scenario shows about 15 days for 2010 to 2039; 25 days for 2040-2069; and 32 days for 2070 to 2099. Under the higher emissions scenario over the same time periods, the average number of days above 90 degrees Fahrenheit are projected to be about 18, about 38, and about 65. The average number of days per year over 100 degrees Fahrenheit was one from 1961 to 1990. Under the lower and higher emissions scenarios this statistic is projected to be 6 days per year and 24 days per year, respectively, for the 2070 to 2099 timeframe. View enlarged image
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Overall, the amount of precipitation throughout the Northeast is projected to increase. Less winter precipitation falling as snow will likely increase the number and impact of flooding events. Sea level rise, storm surges, erosion, and the destruction of important coastal ecosystems will likely contribute to an increase in coastal flooding events, including the frequency of current "100-year flood" levels (severe flood levels with a one-in-100 likelihood of occurring in any given year). By the end of the century, New York City may experience a 100-year flood every 10 to 22 years, on average. [2] Damages to coastal property and infrastructure could impact the insurance industry. New York State alone has more than $2.3 trillion in insured coastal property. [2]
More
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/impacts-adaptation/northeast.html
Climate change is the reality regardless of who agrees or disagrees with it. It is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of the science, and the science thus far is so solid that it is irrefutable.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Although posters who somehow think Roker is a god are trying their best to make it appear I am. To say that any weather whatsoever means climate change is just silly and utterly unscientific. It is what I would expect from Roker but not from people who believe in science.
Anyone can pretend and say anything about themselves on the internet. Therefore anything I say about my background will be denounced in those terms so why bother playing that game?
GP6971
(31,220 posts)hung up on degrees.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)People with degrees and everything. Guess I am old fashioned.
GP6971
(31,220 posts)spanone
(135,884 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)I have read that a thousand times on DU when a RW says something about it being cold in July or something. But now weather does equal climate change. Link to one actual scientist who says this year's winter weather is because of climate change.
spanone
(135,884 posts)Climate change is fueling an increase in the intensity and snowfall of winter storms. The atmosphere now holds more moisture, and that in turns drives heavier than normal precipitation, including heavier snowfall in the appropriate conditions.1
Heavy snowfall and snowstorm frequency have increased in many northern parts of the United States.2 The heavier-than-normal snowfalls recently observed in the Midwest and Northeast United States are consistent with climate model projections. In contrast, the South and lower Midwest saw reduced snowstorm frequency during the last century.3 Overall snow cover has decreased in the Northern Hemisphere, due in part to higher temperatures that shorten the time snow spends on the ground.
Snowstorms Shift Northward in the Northern Hemisphere
The regional pattern of fewer snowstorms in the southern United States and more in the North corresponds to a similar northward shift of cold-season storms in the entire Northern Hemisphere over the past 50 years. Mid-latitude storms have decreased in frequency (e.g., in the United States overall) while high-latitude storm activity has increased (e.g., in Canada).4 It is likely that human influence contributed to these changes.5
- See more at: http://www.climatecommunication.org/new/features/extreme-weather/winter-storms/#sthash.Ae9wCKyU.dpuf
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Your link is an opinion piece, by an anonymous author -- so no accountability, based on past articles in science magazines and journals. Is the author a scientist, who knows? Was it peer reviewed? No. It says nothing about the specific weather this year. That is what Roker was giving his pronouncement about.
spanone
(135,884 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)I asked Dr. Trenberth to comment on the role climate change has on this latest storm, which is forecast to set records. He explained:
The number 1 cause of this is that it is winter. In winter it is cold over the continent. But it is warm over the oceans and the contrast between the cold continent and the warm Gulf Stream and surrounding waters is increasing. At present sea surface temperatures are more the 2F above normal over huge expanses (1000 miles) off the east coast and water vapor in the atmosphere is about 10% higher as a result. About half of this can be attributed to climate change.