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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:47 AM Feb 2015

How Rats Turned Their Private Paradise Into A Terrifying Dystopia

This article is quite a read. A disturbing one, but compelling.

http://io9.com/how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-1687584457?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

In 1972, animal behaviorist John Calhoun built a rat paradise with beautiful buildings and limitless food. He introduced eight mice to the population. Two years later, the mice had created their own apocalypse. Here's why.

Universe 25 was a giant box designed to be a rodent utopia. The trouble was, this utopia did not have a benevolent creator. John B. Calhoun had designed quite a few mouse environments before he got to the 25th one, and didn't expect to be watching a happy story. Divided into "main squares" and then subdivided into levels, with ramps going up to "apartments," the place looked great, and was always kept stocked with food, but its inhabitants were doomed from the get-go.

Universe 25 started out with eight mice, four males and four females. By day 560, the mouse population reached 2,200, and then steadily declined back down to unrecoverable extinction. At the peak population, most rats spent every living second in the company of hundreds of other rats. They gathered in the main squares, waiting to be fed and occasionally attacking each other. Few females carried pregnancies to term, and the ones that did seemed to simply forget about their babies. They'd move half their litter away from danger and forget the rest. Sometimes they'd drop and abandon a baby while they were carrying it.

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How Rats Turned Their Private Paradise Into A Terrifying Dystopia (Original Post) Skidmore Feb 2015 OP
Wow. That is unreal. Very disturbing. Autumn Feb 2015 #1
Nope, nothing Bond villainish about this at all. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #2
This is stupid, and why can't the writer make up his/her mind- are they rats or mice? snooper2 Feb 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Feb 2015 #6
Amazing. We can learn so much about ourselves Ilsa Feb 2015 #4
Fascinating!!!!! Big K &R! riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #5
were they mice or were they rats?....she interchanges the name rats and mice as though there is no Demonaut Feb 2015 #7
I don't know how important that distinction is given what she is doing Skidmore Feb 2015 #8
It's stupid...she should have just done it with feral cats and an abandoned house.. snooper2 Feb 2015 #10
Did you read the article? Skidmore Feb 2015 #11
no, I don't like the look of that link to be honest, I'll look up the guy myself though- snooper2 Feb 2015 #13
If you are going to write an article about somebody's research, at least figure out what species it LisaL Feb 2015 #15
I found the descriptons in the article interesting and Skidmore Feb 2015 #16
Help yourself. Skidmore Feb 2015 #14
Earth: Year 2100. nt onehandle Feb 2015 #9
A terrifying, soul-crushing dystopia full of rodents set against a backdrop of paradise? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #12
More info: Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #17
I remember reading about that experiment back when it was completed. shraby Feb 2015 #18
A natural experiment with reindeer had the same result. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #19
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
2. Nope, nothing Bond villainish about this at all.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

"Look at ze rats, Mr Bond. See how zey fight over victuals and destroy zeir home!"

Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Ilsa

(61,696 posts)
4. Amazing. We can learn so much about ourselves
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:57 AM
Feb 2015

if we'd just learn from the animals and our own research.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
5. Fascinating!!!!! Big K &R!
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:57 AM
Feb 2015

loved this conclusion:

Today, the experiment remains frightening, but the nature of the fear has changed. A recent study pointed out that Universe 25 was not, if looked at as a whole, too overcrowded. Pens, or "apartments" at the very end of each hallway had only one entrance and exit, making them easy to guard. This allowed more aggressive territorial males to limit the number mice in that pen, overcrowding the rest of the world, while isolating the few "beautiful ones" who lived there from normal society. Instead of a population problem, one could argue that Universe 25 had a fair distribution problem.

The fact remains that it had a problem, and one that eventually led to its destruction. If this behavior is shared by both mice and humans, can we escape Universe 25's fate?



Demonaut

(8,924 posts)
7. were they mice or were they rats?....she interchanges the name rats and mice as though there is no
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 11:58 AM
Feb 2015

distinction between the species...makes the whole story suspect

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
8. I don't know how important that distinction is given what she is doing
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:11 PM
Feb 2015

is reporting on group behavior in a closed environment. I didn't get hung up on that at all. Regardless of species, the animals exhibited the behavior.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. It's stupid...she should have just done it with feral cats and an abandoned house..
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:49 PM
Feb 2015

Or how about goats...Yeah, goats in a mansion, start with 10 each


Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
11. Did you read the article?
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015

She is discussing the work of John Calhoun, who conducted the actual experiments. She did not do the experiments herself. I would suggest you look up Calhoun's work. She makes the point that the parallels between humans and mice can be drawn.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. no, I don't like the look of that link to be honest, I'll look up the guy myself though-
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015

She can't keep her rodents straight

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
15. If you are going to write an article about somebody's research, at least figure out what species it
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

was done on, mice or rats.
If she doesn't have a clue there is a difference between mice and rats, she shouldn't be writing articles about research.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
16. I found the descriptons in the article interesting and
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:05 PM
Feb 2015

went to look for myself. Aside from the interchanging of the rodent terms, I find that she is drawing a conclusion which can be supported by the studies she is referring to. These studies were done decades ago.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
12. A terrifying, soul-crushing dystopia full of rodents set against a backdrop of paradise?
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015


Yup, sounds like Disney World to me.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
18. I remember reading about that experiment back when it was completed.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015

It's a very good window on what can happen in an overcrowed space whether mice, rats, deer or humans.
It was very unsettling, but thinking on it at the time, the consequences were understandable.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
19. A natural experiment with reindeer had the same result.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:25 PM
Feb 2015

During World War II, the Coast Guard maintained a LORAN station on St. Matthew Island, a remote island in the Bering Sea.

In 1944, 29 reindeer were introduced to the island by the United States Coast Guard to provide an emergency food source. The Coast Guard abandoned the island a few years later, leaving the reindeer. Subsequently, the reindeer population rose to about 6,000 by 1963[6] and then died off in the next two years to 42 animals.[7] A scientific study attributed the population crash to the limited food supply in interaction with climatic factors (the winter of 1963–64 was exceptionally severe in the region).[1] By the 1980s, the reindeer population had completely died out.[2]


The reindeer could thrive, without being fed by the Coast Guard, because they could eat lichen that grew on the island. That was fine until the reindeer population grew so large that it outpaced the growth of the lichen, resulting in complete die-off of the reindeer.
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