Shut Down Over Blown. It Probably Helped GOP In 2014. Voters Don't Like Govt. Employees Anyway.

[TheMastersNemesis]

Voters hate government employees and think they are overpaid. I still hear GOPPERS complain about useless lazy employees who should be contracted out. And they are emboldened because they actually WON many more seats because the last shutdown did not seem to hurt them anyway.

Besides the media and RW hate radio will blame Obama and the Dems and the public will believe them. By 2016 the voters will probably give the GOP even more seats. GOPPERS even hate the fire departments and politics departments except of PR time.

Besides there is nothing wrong if a government employee misses a few pay checks. They make too much anyway.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. Uh what?

Besides there is nothing wrong if a government employee misses a few pay checks. They make too much anyway.

Don't know many government employees do ya? I think you have a very limited list of who and what they all do....

[TheMastersNemesis]

3. I Worked For DOL For 24 Years. I Hear The GOP Bullshit All The Time.

The point of my post is that public employees are still being bashed 24/7 and a lot of the public buys into the garbage the GOP puts out.

[yeoman6987]

11. It's all BS. The only Government employees the public does not like

Are the DMV and maybe the TSA agents. Otherwise I know the public likes firefighters and teachers and maybe even police overall. They put DMV workers as the picture of government workers which is BS!

[TheMastersNemesis]

12. The Public Has Been BW'ed To Dislike Govt Emplpyees Benefits.

I agree with what your post. The problem is that the GOP baits the public on public employees benefits because they want to privatize even the police and fire departments like they were before 1900. Just think of cops being paid by Halliburton. Or the firefighters being paid by the insurance companies like they used to.

By keeping he public pissed off about public employees it keeps privatization options open. In Britain there was a story a number of months ago where the county security was corporatized.

The public should be demanding better pay and pensions for itself rather than focusing on taking those things away from people who have them. Remember Congress has really cushy pensions that we pay for essentially. Maybe we should put them on 401k's and the Affordable Care Act.

[bigtree]

2. you do realize this isn't a tactic orchestrated by Democrats?

...this is a deliberate strategy by republicans to block Obama's executive action on immigration. They are in control of the outcome. Democrats shouldn't allow themselves to be held hostage to legislative blackmail like this. Where would it end?

Bottom line, republicans are in control of the majority in both houses. Either they govern responsibly, or they assume the blame when their actions bring it to a halt. I don't believe Americans share your view of government, anyway, not when it comes to interruptions in necessary services required by them. I also think your view of government employees is wrong. Most don't make 'too much,' and their jobs have been declining over this president's term. They are citizens, just like you and I, trying to make a living and make ends meet; not political pawns who should expendable to some political gamesmanship.

[TheMastersNemesis]

4. I Fully Realize That It Is A GOP Tactic. Look At Nov. 2014. The GOP Still Made Big Gains.

The last shutdown did not seem to hurt the GOP at all. In Colorado we lost the Senate and just held on in the house. And we barely won back the governorship. As a former state employee a lot of Coloradans hate public employees whether they be teachers, firemen, policemen,, state or county employees. The GOP meme goes deep.

For example it will take you 5 hours to renew your drivers license in Colorado now. I spent 5 hours waiting recently. The GOP keeps saying we cannot afford to staff these offices. And we have a tax limitation amendment that stops taxes from being raised.

Just watch the media and RW blame the Dems or say both sides do it. The public is terribly stupid these days.

[bigtree]

5. that election wasn't about a government shutdown

...it was dominated by disgruntled conservative voters. Off-term elections are almost always dominated by voters casting ballots against something or the other; less attended by voters satisfied with elected officials. This President has seen an unprecedented amount of disaffection from conservative voters over his term who won't accept his presidency. That's what drove the outcome of the election, not antipathy toward government. I think linking that outcome, or any other election outcome, to this orchestrated shutdown is misleading and false.

[madokie]

8. Spot on

[TheMastersNemesis]

13. You Are Correct. And That Was The Problem.

The shutdown never entered the picture and the Dems never brought it up either. And the media probably would have flushed it forthwith. My OP is about the fact that even if the GOP shut down just about everything for a month the RW talk machine and the media would do all it could to suppress it in the 2016 debate.

Just about every region in the country is dominated by hate radio or Fox. Go into any hotel or other public place and Fox News is usually on all day long.

[CreekDog]

6. You don't get it even though you're trying to sound clever and insightful, you aren't

Republicans are going to say whatever they feel like about us, about government employees about the shutdown.

Democrats can't change what Republicans say and you seem to think we should only do things based upon what they will say.

That's BS, especially because they'll say whatever they'd planned to say anyway, they always do.

So Democrats must simply stand for their principles and their politics so that the voters know where they stand and that Democrats aren't afraid to stick with those principles and with these positions.

[CreekDog]

7. So, you want Democrats to throw in the towel, while they apparently just won this?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/republicans-blink-on-immigration

FAIL.

Not listening to you and your memes. Your advice is like listening to Chuck Todd or David Gregory. PASS.

[Cha]

10. "Republicans Just Blinked In The Big Immigration Stare-Down With Obama"

"The months-long standoff over President Barack Obama's executive actions on immigration took a major turn late Monday when Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) proposed decoupling funding for the Department of Homeland Security from legislative action against Obama on deportations.

Whoa! Thanks for that CreekDog

[FSogol]

9. Unrec.