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Bernie Sanders: TV networks have completely ignored this huge issue... (Original Post) Playinghardball Feb 2015 OP
Indeed. I have yet to meet anyone "in real life" who knows much, if anything about TPP. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2015 #1
Including those who claim to be experts on the document. George II Feb 2015 #14
Really, someone claims to be an expert on the TPP? Or did you make that up? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #17
I don't have a definite opinion on the subject. George II Feb 2015 #23
When a document is secret Bradical79 Feb 2015 #30
I hope you aren't suggesting that we should just sit back and take it like we did rhett o rick Feb 2015 #33
Predictable, Senator, not amazing at all..sadly. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #2
Not amazing at all ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #3
The TPP and the TTIP are just more of the thievery we witnessed with the crash of 2008. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #4
I wonder how the betting is going in Vegas as to when the next bank bail-out will come. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #18
Money talks. But..... Smarmie Doofus Feb 2015 #5
This is a predictable result of the secrecy Jim Lane Feb 2015 #6
The corporations who own big media will benefit mightily from TPP Doctor_J Feb 2015 #7
ahYup. +1 progressoid Feb 2015 #9
But it's complicated, Bernie. Mr.Bill Feb 2015 #8
They also ignore global warming, American injustice, and any real news at all. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #10
Indeed they do. Duppers Feb 2015 #26
The vast majority of republicans will eagerly pass it and point their finger at Obama B Calm Feb 2015 #11
Its not amazing to me because the networks are owned by large media corporations cstanleytech Feb 2015 #12
I think any negative press towards republicans for passing this will never happen. But when the shit B Calm Feb 2015 #13
The GOP will absolutely point to Obama when the pain from the TPP is finally palpable to appalachiablue Feb 2015 #15
This is a big reason dems should not support republican policies Doctor_J Feb 2015 #16
It makes more sense if we look at the political division as between the Progressives and the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #20
Right, and the Dems. complicit in these actions who are greedy for money could care less appalachiablue Feb 2015 #22
I'll bet more than any other bill, conservadems are being offered "retirement jobs" to pass TPP! cascadiance Feb 2015 #24
If this legislation passes, I hope these conservdems are offered fortified residences and heavy appalachiablue Feb 2015 #25
Yes. Democrats and Clinton will rightfully be forever blamed for NAFTA and the jobs lost due to JDPriestly Feb 2015 #28
Indeed. The TPP is so vast in scope and especially dangerous for a country already greatly appalachiablue Feb 2015 #35
So do we theorizing that the Networks are Conspiring to keep this from rhett o rick Feb 2015 #19
Well it's not much of a conspiracy Bradical79 Feb 2015 #31
Seems to me that the only CT alerted on here, other than the well know ones, are the ones against rhett o rick Feb 2015 #32
Why amazing? LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #21
Bernie is speaking for the majority of Americans, Republicans as well as Democrats. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #27
I have heard that we will be giving up some of our sovereignty TheFarseer Feb 2015 #29
Bernie!! AzDar Feb 2015 #34
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Really, someone claims to be an expert on the TPP? Or did you make that up?
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:20 PM
Feb 2015

If you support the TPP then provide your arguments. They should be interesting.

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. I don't have a definite opinion on the subject.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:11 PM
Feb 2015

However, for a "secret" document we seem to have a number of people with opinions on the subject, most of them based on rumors, leaks, and banter.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
30. When a document is secret
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:32 PM
Feb 2015

Then you only have leaks and rumors to go by. Best way to combat false rumors and leaks is transparency.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. I hope you aren't suggesting that we should just sit back and take it like we did
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
Feb 2015

with NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO? We certainly can comment on that which we've seen.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
4. The TPP and the TTIP are just more of the thievery we witnessed with the crash of 2008.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:25 PM
Feb 2015

The Perps were rewarded.

These agreements are so bad we can't even comprehend the damage they will do.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. I wonder how the betting is going in Vegas as to when the next bank bail-out will come.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:23 PM
Feb 2015

I'm thinking later this year. It would be like a "Good-bye Obama from Goldman-Sachs". Couldn't they just send a card?

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
6. This is a predictable result of the secrecy
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 04:42 PM
Feb 2015

TV news staffer to editor: I'd like to do a piece on the TPP.
Editor: What's in the agreement?
Staffer: We don't exactly know yet. There've been leaks of drafts but the actual text hasn't been officially confirmed.
Editor: Let's wait until we have something more solid.

I'm just guessing at the conversations that have occurred, but my guess is based on what we've seen from TPP apologists here on DU. Late-stage drafts that reflect more than four years of negotiation are dismissed on the basis that they might be completely changed by the time an agreement is finalized. Some posters' implication is that serious analysis and discussion can't begin until then.

Of course, once the agreement is finalized and released, the administration will hope to get it approved on fast-track. That means that there just won't be enough time for that process of analysis and discussion. The process should include the mobilization of public opinion, but, for the reason Sanders points out, many people currently haven't even heard of TPP.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. The corporations who own big media will benefit mightily from TPP
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:03 PM
Feb 2015

Of course they are not talking about it

Mr.Bill

(24,328 posts)
8. But it's complicated, Bernie.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:15 PM
Feb 2015

Journalists would have to, you know, like learn stuff. It's much more fun to talk about Sean Penn's green card joke or which Kardashian will get pregnant or divorced next. And when is that Bruce Jenner guy finally going to be a woman?

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
11. The vast majority of republicans will eagerly pass it and point their finger at Obama
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:29 PM
Feb 2015

for the next 30 years.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
12. Its not amazing to me because the networks are owned by large media corporations
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:38 PM
Feb 2015

who support it because it would also extended their copyright length in other countries as well to the same absurd length it is in the US.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
13. I think any negative press towards republicans for passing this will never happen. But when the shit
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 05:44 PM
Feb 2015

hits the fan and people start losing jobs, the press will be there pointing their finger at Obama and the democratic party.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
15. The GOP will absolutely point to Obama when the pain from the TPP is finally palpable to
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:12 PM
Feb 2015

the uninformed, well after the fact. Exactly the way conservatives and the financial industry tried to blame (corrupt) govt. regulators for the housing bubble crash in 2008. It's an old game that works very well for the Right with major help from Media propaganda and an increasing fearful, dumbed down and unenlightened populace.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
16. This is a big reason dems should not support republican policies
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:16 PM
Feb 2015

The policies always suck, and the democrats then get blamed

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. It makes more sense if we look at the political division as between the Progressives and the
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:29 PM
Feb 2015

Conservatives in lieu of Democrats and Republicons. This is a Conservative favored issue and the Progressives oppose it. When it screws the workers the Conservatives won't care but the Republicons will use it as a stick to whack the Democrats.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
22. Right, and the Dems. complicit in these actions who are greedy for money could care less
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:04 PM
Feb 2015

when it's exposed to their constituents and the masses, way too late, if ever. The change needed for the dysfunctional two party system- the pound of cure, or the ton of cure in this case, will take a tremendous effort. Any move in that direction is impaired by 25+ years of deregulation, then consolidation of the media by corporations, the intended death blow to truth and information. That there aren't any serious attempts to counter the rightward media shift except Current TV is a telling and very unhealthy sign. Our democracy and way of life are endangered more than I've ever seen, by far.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
24. I'll bet more than any other bill, conservadems are being offered "retirement jobs" to pass TPP!
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:44 PM
Feb 2015

This is THE big bill that lobbyists know will be the key to them owning the government from this point forward, and they'll tell a lot of conservadems that they don't need to worry about the party any more if they're going to get a nice paycheck after leaving office to vote it in!

We need a way to heavily expose the details of this legislation in a way that can't be ignored. I do think that if enough of America understands what is really going on, those who want to continue to work in government will make sure to stand against it.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
25. If this legislation passes, I hope these conservdems are offered fortified residences and heavy
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:05 PM
Feb 2015

security because even with their gold as protection, the disruption and misery unleashed in the continental US and elsewhere will have equally powerful counter action. The wrath of masses oppressed by oligarchs is not something to have worked well historically. Sic semper tyrannis.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. Yes. Democrats and Clinton will rightfully be forever blamed for NAFTA and the jobs lost due to
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:06 PM
Feb 2015

it. Here we go again.

appalachiablue

(41,174 posts)
35. Indeed. The TPP is so vast in scope and especially dangerous for a country already greatly
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

weakened by NAFTA, outsourcing, H1-B visas, loss of 60,000 US factories since 2000, unionism and privatization. The TPP is the ultimate corporate coup d'état as many have called it, so serious it's hard to fathom. But here we are...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. So do we theorizing that the Networks are Conspiring to keep this from
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:26 PM
Feb 2015

the public. Wouldn't that be a Conspiracy Theory? Yeah, but on the side of goodness. The CT Posse will ignore it.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
31. Well it's not much of a conspiracy
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:37 PM
Feb 2015

All they got to do is ignore it. Pretty minimal effort compared to other alleged conspiracies out there :-P

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. Seems to me that the only CT alerted on here, other than the well know ones, are the ones against
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:52 PM
Feb 2015

Pres Obama, the Democratic Party or the Good Ole USofA. For example there were post after post suggesting that Snowden conspired with China or Russia to steal secrets. Funny how the CT Posse overlooked those. But the mere suggestion that Michael Hastings might have been murdered, bingo-bango, CT Alerts out the wazzo.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
21. Why amazing?
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 06:33 PM
Feb 2015

The FCC has allowed concentration of media ownership to such a degree that the networks have a vested interest in NOT discussing the issue.

TheFarseer

(9,326 posts)
29. I have heard that we will be giving up some of our sovereignty
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:32 PM
Feb 2015

Because TPP rules will overrule our laws so why are right wingers not losing their shit over that? I suspect because Fox News hasn't told them to.

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