'Nance Greggs Fan Club'

[bigtree]

...saw this written on another thread (meant by the poster as some kind of insult) and I thought, 'I'm in!' One of the first things that attracted me to this site was the original writing on the front page by Nance and, I think, one or two other writers. The writing was always fresh, witty, and original. It was an enviable platform for political prose which she dominated with grace, humor, and candor.

I'm checking in as a proud member of the Nance Greggs Fan Club! Here's to the reappearance (however brief and rare) of one of DU's most prolific and entertaining writers! Don't change, Nance, and don't be such a stranger.

[femmocrat]

1. K & R

[MohRokTah]

2. Count me in. eom

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Count me in.

[grasswire]

4. this roll call will be illuminating nt

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

39. Nice to see you've used the occasion

to illuminate your ungenerous spirit.

[SidDithers]

57. It just was...nt

Sid

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. That post was a joy to read.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Nance Greggs was one of the reasons I joined DU

What a great writer she is!

[gelsdorf]

45. Myself also, her post were always a highlight n/t

[LittleGirl]

102. me too! eom

[brer cat]

7. Me too.

[Rex]

8. The NG fan club, the WRP fan club, the Manny fan club...one big fight club.

Of course the first rule of DU, is that there are no rules...just guidelines.

Don't want to forget the Prosense fight club, shout out to pro!

[annabanana]

91. I am fans of all of the above

simultaneously.. and many many others.

[Rex]

93. They are all very good persuasive writers imo.

One great thing about this place.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

9. Count me in as well!

[Bobbie Jo]

10. I'm in!

Can't rec this fast enough!

I found my way to DU after landing on one of her righteous rants.

Love her to pieces!

[zappaman]

11. Rec!

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. I'm a member.

Nance hits the mark every time! She needs to post more.

[madokie]

13. I'm in

[malaise]

14. Proud member

Rec

[Katashi_itto]

15. HAIL HYDRA!

/revision/latest/scale-to-width/280?cb=20150101010410

[Katashi_itto]

16. I mean Yaaay!

[Rex]

85. More like SPECTRE.

Or I guess to some KAOS.

Welcome Mr. Smmarrrt.

[Cha]

103. "...Hydra"? That says everything about you and nothing about the OP.

[Evan Yessirreebob]

17. Sign me up!

[Hekate]

18. I'm in, kids

[NYC_SKP]

19. Always have been and there is another site where we live.

Great articles and a discussion forum.

I don't post nearly as much as I should, but the site is there and populated by some DU greats!

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/

http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/portal.php

[DFW]

113. It's a little quieter, but without the nastiness or self-righteousness

Good place to go for a rest without giving up our ideology

[freshwest]

166. Yes, it is that!

[misterhighwasted]

20. Logging in just to Big Rec the Nance G Fan Club.

Always enjoy NG's writing.
Words follow swiftly as her pen glides across the page.
Words of absolute truth & a pleasure to read.
Some just have that "gift".

Thanks Nance Greggs & Do Carry On..

[shraby]

21. Me too. Love her style.

[arely staircase]

22. k&r nt

[greatlaurel]

23. I'm in, too!

Thanks for the OP.

[Ramses]

24. What a talent!

Count me in too.

[SheilaT]

25. I'm another member of the Nance Greggs Fan Club.

She's one of the best things at DU.

[cheapdate]

26. I'm in!

[leftofcool]

27. I'm in!

[monmouth4]

28. Me too. I want to be Sergeant-At-Arms in case we have meetings....n/t

[BlueJazz]

29. She's a wonderful sport! (and sharp also)

[A Simple Game]

30. Isn't she the one that was so anti-Hillary on DU2?

I may be wrong but if not why is she being embraced on DU now?

[Skidmore]

33. Nance is an old friend to many of us who have been

here since the beginning of DU. Solid friendships don't list with the political winds. Proud to call Nance Greggs a friend and ally.

[A Simple Game]

34. So in other words, yes.

Didn't she end up with so many people mad at her that she left DU?

I don't usually remember names but it seems she was so prolific and outspoken a poster she was easier to remember than most.

[H2O Man]

35. And your point is?

[Skidmore]

36. She has always been easy to remember for her

writing skills. Sometimes people don't want to hear an opinion they don't like. People get vicious on these boards sometimes and they gang up on one person. In 13+ years I have seen it happen, and it does seem to happen more lately. Nance's columns have always been worth reading.

[The Straight Story]

125. Well said(nt)

[Cha]

80. Nance's OP on "Do Not Be Fooled!!" doesn't necessarily mean she's for Hillary.. as she

noted in this post to someone who wasn't getting it..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6263370

[saltpoint]

31. Talent is not really that common. Writing talent is rarer still.

Nance has writing talent. We have had presidents who can't put one sentence together, let alone two, while Nance can do a full page of the most convincing sentences around.

Whoever her high school English teachers were, my strong guess is Nance has exceeded every expectation they could set for her.

This site would do well to pay her what she's worth, and she's worth plenty.

[H2O Man]

32. Recommended.

While there are many issues where I don't agree with her, I always respect her. Though I'm too old to be a "fan" of anyone (or anything), I enjoy reading her contributions.

[BlueMTexpat]

37. Nance Greggs, EarlG's "Top Ten ...",

and the DUZYs were all major drawing points for me.

Since then, I have grown to appreciate many other DUers, but still miss all of the above.

So whenever Nancy Greggs posts here, I am delighted to "see" her!

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

38. You're a helluva a guy, bigtree.

As to Nance, I'm lucky to be in the privileged position of hearing all the rants she never commits to pixels. For that and many other reasons, I count myself blessed.

[panader0]

49. Here's to you too.

[Jeff Rosenzweig]

68. Thanks! n/t

[bigtree]

89. hey

[NYC_SKP]

97. You!

(welcome to DU, Mr. 106 posts)

[DFW]

114. Yeah, some people have all the luck.

We're waiting for the print version of the anthology..........

[old guy]

40. Here I am.

[SalviaBlue]

41. I'm a fan!

[Scuba]

42. She's an excellent wordsmith, witty, poignant and very often wrong.

[L0oniX]

60. +1

[MissDeeds]

65. Agree n/t

[Cha]

101. No, Nance is not wrong.. she's right on.. that's why we love her!

[DFW]

111. "Wrong" is rather a harsh term in this case

To call someone's point of view "wrong" necessarily implies that you KNOW that another point of view is "right."

A point of view is something you agree or disagree with, an opinion. Knowing it is right or wrong is very absolute. "Two plus two equals five" is wrong. Saying you support Hillary/Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders/The Great Pumpkin/Irving Takeyerpick in 2016 is a point of view, not something that is right or wrong.

[1StrongBlackMan]

126. +1 ...

Please say that again!

[revmclaren]

43. Kick...Rec...

And sign me up!

[DLnyc]

44. I'll drink to that

A fan of Nancy and many others who speak their minds ways that can educate rather than merely denigrate.

[WilliamPitt]

46. Count me in

She helped profoundly to make this place what it is. We may disagree vehemently on a few topics (thanks, Obama ), but there is no denying her talent, her passion, and her huge contribution.

Cheers, Nance.

[Mister Ed]

47. Me too! n/t

[panader0]

48. Oh yeah... me too

[stevenleser]

50. No question, I'm not only in, I'm running for a position on the board!

Love me some Nance!

[yuiyoshida]

133. May I join?

[stevenleser]

149. You have all the pull I can give you on this!

[yuiyoshida]

162. great, um...

no membership fees are there? I am kinda broke at the moment.

[Spazito]

51. Count me in!

Love her OPs, they are always spot on and done with wit and skill.

[lastlib]

52. Me! Me! Me! Me!

I'm the HUGEST Nance fan on here!


. . . .

[Still Sensible]

53. Absolutely....Count Me In, Too! n/t

[madamesilverspurs]

54. Nance was quoted on another site,

I followed the link and landed on DU, been here ever since.

Nance went out of her way to extend a welcome, then encouraged my participation. She is, I suspect, inspiration and mentor for many of us. And we could use more of her as well as more like her.

I'm in!

[Grey]

55. I'm a charter member,

have been from the beginning.....

[BlueCaliDem]

56. Count me IN! eom

[DonCoquixote]

58. so count me in

NG is missed!

[SidDithers]

59. DU rec...

As evidenced by this and her own threads, she pisses off all the right people.



Sid

[rhett o rick]

63. How sad that you think that "pissing off" people is an admirable goal. Esp pissing off fellow

Democrats. I don't think that's her intention. I also don't think that just because someone disagrees means they are "pissed off".

[Number23]

106. "she pisses off all the right people." Apparently so badly that they create OPs under the delusion

that her OPs are about them when they are very clearly about other posters.

I mean between the megalomania and just being flat out loud and wrong there is just way too much going on tonight...

[SidDithers]

107. It's been a barn burner, eh?...

The Ramses flame-out was particularly entertaining. Wish id been here to see it live, instead of after the fact.

Love the beer bottle tho.

Sid

[sheshe2]

61. I'm in as well.

No one says it better than Nance, I thoroughly enjoy her rants~

Here is a link to some....



http://www.democratsforprogress.com/category/nancerants/

This one is one of my favorites.

ODS – Obama Derangement Syndrome

If Obama makes a speech about a specific issue, he’s just spewing pretty words. If Obama doesn’t speak on a specific issue, he’s trying to hide something. Or he should have spoken about something else entirely, because when he gets specific about one issue, that means he’s ignoring all of the really important issues he should be speaking about – those issues being whatever it was he didn’t mention.

If Obama did it, it must have been the wrong thing to do. When it turns out to have been the right thing to do, then Obama never did it. And if he did do it, he did it the wrong way. It was too little, too late – or it was too much, too soon. It went too far – while, at the same time, it didn’t go far enough. And even if it turns out to have been right, it’s still wrong.

If Obama proposed it, it can’t possibly work. When it does work, it was somebody else’s idea all along, an idea he blatantly stole just to make himself look good. That’s because he knew it would work all along – even though it can’t possibly work.

If Obama stands firm, he is being stubborn. If he seeks compromise, he is caving. Obama should lead while following. He should be more hands-on while staying out of it completely. Why can’t he take the reins and do what must be done? Why can’t he mind his own goddamned business?

Read More: http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2013/08/11/ods-obama-derangement-syndrome/

Thanks Nance

Brava!

[greatauntoftriplets]

69. Now that hits the nail squarely on the head.

[sheshe2]

79. Oh yes it does, gaot~

[freshwest]

167. Nance alwasy does. Awesome talent, one of the reasons I signed up at DU.

[mcar]

96. Nail head

I loved that one!

[Major Hogwash]

154. OMG . . . YES!!!

But, from what I understand, she has given up smoking since that picture was taken.

[sheshe2]

155. Lol~

However did she keep the big gun?

Missed you Major.

[11 Bravo]

62. I'm in. I loves me some Nance, and have done so for years.

[hwmnbn]

64. Count me in the fan club....K&R

[GoldenOldie]

66. I'm in.

[JaneyVee]

67. K&R!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

70. I am honored to call her my friend. nt

[msanthrope]

71. Checking in! nt

[MineralMan]

72. I'm in.

[giftedgirl77]

73. K&R

I love her writings.

[dwilso40641]

74. K&R

[treestar]

75. Checking in

Nance is a treasure.

[matt819]

76. And me

She's great.

[immoderate]

77. Put me down!

I mean add my name...

--imm

[samplegirl]

78. I loved her writings

and she was a part of what the old D.U. use to be. So many people left because they just grew tired of not being able to express their honest feelings without being bullied with tons of backlash.
Say what you want......she had a right to her opinion! To bad so many others just could not stand the attention her posts got!

[calimary]

81. I am a fan, too.

Usually I agree with every word! Except for the most recent column. STILL, though, she's a terrific writer. And she takes no prisoners.

[NanceGreggs]

82. I am incredibly moved by this, bigtree.

Thank you so much for the kind words – and thanks to all who have posted their kind words, as well.

I remember our skirmishes during the 2008 primaries. We were often on completely different sides of an issue – but it never got personal, and we never lost sight of the fact that in the great scheme of things, we were all (Obama supporters, Edwards supporters, Hill supporters, etc.) on the same side – the side of the Democratic Party, the side of wanting to see a fellow Democrat in the White House.

Just as an example of how things were then, three of the posters who I got into the most vehement arguments with during that time PM’d me – and I them – constantly. We’d say things like, “Good shot! I felt that one!”, or, “Have you read my reply to your last post? That’s gonna leave a mark!” We joked about each other’s barbs, we laughed at each other, as well as at ourselves. It was understood by the vast majority of DUers that after the dust settled, we would all put our differences aside and get behind the nominee, whoever he or she turned out to be.

It is you, bigtree, who personifies what DU used to be all about. It was a place where posters could disagree with each other’s viewpoints without accusing each other of being “authoritarians, DINOs, ConservaDems, Third Wayers, mindless cheerleaders” – and all of the other meaningless terms that now get thrown around here on a daily basis. It is people like YOU who made this site what it was in its best of days – someone who understood that labelling those who held an opinion different than your own with such terms had only one aim: to be divisive – ironically so on a website founded on the premise of Democrats, despite their differences, banding together for the common good.

It is posters like YOU who reminded us all that differences of opinion were not only to be expected under the “Big Tent”, but that it was that diversity of opinion that distinguished us from our opponents on the other side of the aisle.

So here’s to you, bigtree – and all of those many posters who, like you, understand that disagreeing with someone else’s perspective should not be seen an opportunity for name-calling, but as a starting point for open, honest, and mutually respectful discussion.

My heartfelt thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I am truly grateful to each and every one of you for seeing me through such incredibly kind eyes.

[bigtree]

88. so very typical and predictable

...of you to deflect praise back.

I meant every word I wrote, Nance. YOU are the ideal of what I've expected out of DU, out of our party. You never disappoint, even in disagreement. Thanks for the kind words, and soak up all of the love here from your fellow DUers. You're well worth this small expression of appreciation.

[kydo]

83. Not to infringe on Chris Hayes ... but I'm All In on this too

I lurked for a long time ... like 10 years. Always enjoyed Nance Greggs's postings.

[FourScore]

84. Love Nance Greggs!!

Just love her!

[livetohike]

86. Definitely in! Please come around more often Nance

[Ellipsis]

87. ... waves hand from the back of the room,

i'm in

[cry baby]

90. I love to read Nance! I'm a fan, too. nt

[nolabear]

92. Absolutely in. She represents a level of discourse that got driven away.

And I damn well miss it.

[freshwest]

168. Yes, and so many others. I want more Nance!

[mopinko]

94. i'm in

[mcar]

95. I'm in

[NBachers]

98. A post from Nance is like reaching into my pocket and finding some unexpected money.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

99. I won't be fooled

lol

[Cha]

100. Kick.. mahalo bigtree~

[awoke_in_2003]

104. I am a Nance Greggs fan boy

and don't give a damn who doesn't like it.

[blondie58]

105. Wonderful Lady!

I didn't have Access to a Computer about the Time she left, but definitely felt the loss of her.
I am gonna have to go Check out the Site she Frequents now.

[lovemydog]

108. I love her writing.

When I was a newbie here, she posted something nice that helped me gain confidence expressing myself.

I'm delighted reading her recent posts.

[cliffordu]

109. I'm there!!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

110. Me too!

I read for years before signing up in 2007. She is one I read often.

[great white snark]

112. Of course count me in.

Witty, funny, smart, infallable and always entertaining. DU is lucky to have her.

[tblue37]

115. Nance is great, but she used to post more here. The nastiness nearly drove her

away altogether, and it certainly has caused her to post much, much less than she used to.

[BumRushDaShow]

116. K&R

And she is sorely missed, although I savor catching a few of her gems when she does pop into a thread.

[gademocrat7]

117. Count me in.

[BlueCollar]

118. add me

[secondwind]

119. HUGE K&R !! she's the reason I'm in here also... :-)

[The Wizard]

120. Nance slams the right wing fringe (Republicans)

like a loose shutter in a hurricane.

[cyberspirit]

121. She's one of the best!

Always enjoy reading what she has to say.

[catbyte]

122. Always loved her writing.

[sinkingfeeling]

123. I'm in too

[Capt. Obvious]

124. Meh

Some people like lutefisk too.

[Gormy Cuss]

143. This is a fan appreciation thread. Not the place

to point out that there are many DUers who remember her posts with less fondness.

IOW, don't bring a cheeseburger to a lutefisk fest.

[Capt. Obvious]

164. You get a cheeseburger

And you get a cheeseburger.

And you get a cheeseburger.

[MisterP]

148. or Warheads candy (the ones that are nothing but bile ...)

[Capt. Obvious]

163. Or Boston Baked Beans and Red Hots

Yuck

[Prism]

127. Privileged people, I suppose

I won't let go the fact, the cause of her initial slinking away is when an overprivileged white woman tried to condescend to the LGBT community and tell them what they should and should not accept. Except we didn't have any truck with that and gave her a serious paddling. And off she slunk, like the unchallenged type she is.

I like Nance. She reminds me much of DU isn't particularly literate. Anyone who reads a book or two wouldn't be caught dead praising her stunning literary talent, so it's kind of like flashing a gang sign. "I have no idea what eloquence looks like!" And I always appreciate the heads up. People who don't actually read literature? Count the recs. That's them. Molly Ivins clone with a white lady living outside the US condescending to poor and underprivileged folk? The height of commentary!

Hilarious.

And I do get it. For years, Nance was kind of a head Mean Girl 'round these parts, and weak-willed individuals who want in on that crowd feel obligated to go full oral. By all means.

But still. Jee-sus. The fact anyone on DU thinks she's good at writing. L.O.L.

Try reading anything that isn't a blog for the love of god.

[bigtree]

136. talk about condescending

"much of DU isn't particularly literate," etc.

Such a bold and presumptuous contempt for the folks you're interacting with, it's no surprise to find you so put off by so many DUers posting about their ability to relate to Nance's writing - and relating to each other, as well.

“A well-read fool is the most pestilent of blockheads; his learning is a flail which he knows not how to handle, and with which he breaks his neighbor's shins as well as his own. Keep a fellow of this description at arm's length, as you value the integrity of your bones.” -Stanisław Leszczyński

[Bluenorthwest]

150. Prisim speaks for me as well.

Said it very well. No reason to add more.

[Capt. Obvious]

137. This was the best read on this thread

[Bobbie Jo]

138. .

Petty...

I'm looking forward to the "captain obvious appreciation thread."

Stay classy, I mean that.

[Sheepshank]

144. so why the virulent and persistent snark?

what is it that you don't like about a vocal, well spoken non threatening poster who makes pro Dem statements?

Well Capt Obvious?...it's not so obvioius to me.

[SMC22307]

151. Yep. Plus what AgingAmerican states in #147...

but for the good writing part.

[NanceGreggs]

160. I see you are quite the creative writer yourself ...

... having been extremely "creative" in writing a history of events that never happened.

Given my lower middle-class origins and my life-long struggle to raise two kids on my own, I am rather surprised to learn that I am "an overprivileged white woman" - fancy that!

There was never a time when I "tried to condescend to the LGBT community and tell them what they should and should not accept" - but it is reminiscent of the time when members of Old Elm Tree (I think you're familiar with them) started spamming all of my OPs with allegations that I was a homophobe. When asked for any evidence thereof, the reply was always the same: "You know what you are, so I don't have to prove it." Given that I had written over twenty OPs by that time supporting gay rights, it seemed a rather silly charge. But they were charges made by silly people - so I wasn't expecting them to have the intellectual wherewithal to know that.

I didn't "slink off" as a result. I left DU when Skinner changed the TOS to allow "any and all criticism of Democrats" on this site - which resulted in RW trolls registering to spew their worst, under the guise of being "disappointed Dems" who were now free to bash Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al without any interference.

As for my writing skills, I have never found them to be particularly noteworthy. However, my articles have been reprinted on many, many websites and in US newspapers, and have been read on-air by the likes of Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann among others. I was also approached by a literary agent in NYC about writing a book - an offer I declined, knowing that such an undertaking requires skill and discipline that I admittedly do not have.

I only raise these facts because I doubt that all of the people who have enjoyed my articles, read them on their programs, or reproduced them elsewhere are people who have never "read a book or two".

"She reminds me much of DU isn't particularly literate." "People who don't actually read literature? Count the recs. That's them." Nice! So everyone who has ever rec'd one of my OPs is basically illiterate, and have never read literature - I'm sure you just endeared yourself to a hell of a lot of people who post here. Way to go.

Quite frankly, your entire post smacks of unbridled jealousy, and a rather pathetic need to bring attention to yourself. And that is incredibly sad.

[ailsagirl]

171. Nance-- you rock tremendously-- we all know it!!!

[Old and In the Way]

128. One of my favorites

Signed in just to k/r this thread

[Doc Holliday]

129. I'm in.

That is all.

[fadedrose]

130. Glad she's back

She was gone for quite a while, gone but her unique style not forgotten.

[Peacetrain]

131. Huge fan!!! I signed in just to rec this thread

Love her writings..

[1StrongBlackMan]

132. I would love to join the/a Nance Greggs Fan Club ...

But that would run counter to my really, real liberal gene that rebels against joining or agreeing with anything that I didn't start, as that violates the really, real liberal anti-authoritarian, must parse apart, and be critical of, every opinion - even those I agree with; but would phrase it differently - trait that makes me stand apart as really, real smart and clever.

I will show my appreciation for Nance's wonderful writing by offering up the establishment of The Official Nance Greggs Fan Club.

[ladym55]

134. Always enjoy Nance!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

135. K'd, R'd, and +1

[Blue_Tires]

139. I'm jelly...Why don't I have a fan club?

[Bettie]

140. I don't always agree with her, but she's always amusing

I usually agree, but then, I don't think there is anyone I agree with 100% of the time.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

141. I always loved Nance's writing...

I wish she was around here more often.

[billh58]

142. K&R

Nance rocks...

[CreekDog]

145. What I've seen in recent years...

Is creating straw men and arguing that most who criticize Obama do so because they have argued or supported these straw men.

Yes, there are a handful that take those positions, but the posts that rage against the anti-Obama folks are aimed much more broadly.

So, I'm not a fan of that.

[ismnotwasm]

146. I'm in

[AgingAmerican]

147. Her writing is very good

But she is very thin skinned, and lashes out with personal insults against anyone who disagrees with her. For that reason, I stopped reading her OPs a while ago.

[SMC22307]

152. Not really.

And the following thread is a shining example of your second point:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=136496&mesg_id=136692

Many on DU seem to need personalities to rally around, no matter how nasty, bullying, hostile, etc.

[Cha]

156. Haha! "thin skinned"! Just because she comes back and answers her detractors? Glenn Greenwald

is thin skinned.. no one can disagree with him or they get a barrage of ugly, venomous, twitter insults.

[AgingAmerican]

157. Reacting to the reaction = drama

It's what I expect out of a Sarah Palin, not a Democrat.

[Cha]

158. Yep, Greenwald reminds me of Sarah Palin in that respect. Reacting with ugly venomous insults.

[Major Hogwash]

169. Because President Obama never responds to his distractors?

That's quite an imagination you have there.
President Obama has been shredding the Republicans lately.
Maybe you just haven't been listening to him as of late.

[BobbyBoring]

153. Got tee shirts?

I'm in?

[jazzimov]

159. Count me in! nt

[LiberalLovinLug]

161. I'm still in

Even though we've had our spats lately. And if I've ever gone over the line, I'm sorry. She's a brilliant writer and basically was one of reasons I joined up on DU in the first place. Her witty evisceration of BushCo. during those dark ages was a treat to read.

So confused about her seeming paranoia of whistleblowers and those that report on them. Not sure why she is so vehemently against those that want to expose secret unconstitutional, criminal behavior by those in power. Not to get into it on this thread, just to say I am perplexed after reading all those courageous OPs against government overreach during the Bush years. But I appreciate that she at least takes time to explain her reasons in detailed intelligent language instead of some others on here that resort to one-sentence shallow derogatory insults against those two individuals, which says more about them.

But I believe she has her heart in the right place as most all of us do, and agree on most all Democratic principles, just in differing lights. And I also believe we can argue about issues and still sit under the same tent and share a cup of tea.

[Scurrilous]

165. K & R

[MisterP]

170. you mean this poster?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026345639

I see nothing elevated or elevating here