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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:06 PM Feb 2015

The Republicans are the biggest losers because they can't win a fair fight....

They have to resort to extreme amounts of cheating and have sold their soul to the devil by getting the help of the billionaires because they can't win on the issues, and they just said: "To hell with everything, as long as we win!"

This is not something to admire! This is the sign of an extreme loser. When you have to go to extreme amounts of cheating just to win, thats a sign of loserdom!

Republicans know that they lose on the issues in a fair fight, and their latest loss is on gay marriage. It is pitiful, just like a bully that goes to prey on the weak just to feel good, where if that bully would have to fight a fair fight, he/she would go and cower like the wimp he/she really is.

Talk about living a pretend life where one pretends that one is really strong, when on the inside they are really weak and pitiful.

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uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
1. This is the thing the DNC should be yelling to the rooftops everytime something comes out of their
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

... mouths

We no longer live in a representative democracy literally because of the LEVEL of gerrymandering done by the GOP...

Then they have their partisan voter suppression measures...

Immoral

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. "... sold their soul to the devil by getting the help of the billionaires ..."
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015
"... sold their soul to the devil by getting the help of the billionaires because they can't win on the issues, and they just said: "To hell with everything, as long as we win!"



Sounds like the Third Way.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
4. Someone who cheats in a field game is not someone to admire
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:19 PM
Feb 2015

You admire someone who wins in a fair game, within the bounds of the rules, and the person who goes out of their way to cheat in a game is the biggest loser because he/she knows that he/she can't win fairly.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. Not to admire, no.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:26 PM
Feb 2015

But does that keep people from starving because Republicans cut their benefits? It's nice to have the moral high ground. But I'd rather win and actually save lives.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Pretty darn true.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:21 PM
Feb 2015

It is all about getting a simple message out and getting people engaged. Your state is a great example of what happens when a small cadre of voters wipe out the will of the majority. The Rethugs in AZ. knew damn well what had to be done in order for White Minority Rule to be put in place for at least two generations. Watched it take place in 2010 with your redistricting by a small well financed and motivated by one issue and that was their cling to Racist Ideology coming out of the Phoenix Metro. Same thing is taking place here in Nevada as we type. The State Legislature is about to Gerrymander every District in the state. Yes and it is blatant Racism.

In ranting,our National Democratic Party has to use the KISS principle---Keep It Simple Stupid!!

summerschild

(725 posts)
7. Expect anything from them.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:27 PM
Feb 2015

They will do whatever they think they have to in order to win.

They will continue to engage in voter suppression to whatever degree is required. Expect more of the "cleansing" such as Kansas did at the last minute during the last election. removing voters they declare as "ineligible" from the rolls. I can't remember the name of the program or group, but most of you will know what I mean.

I also fully expect them to try something with changing the way the electoral college works, if it appears they will not be able to buy/steal enough votes otherwise.

And of course, where necessary and they think they can get away with it, they won't have any qualms about monkeying with the crappy voting machines.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
8. I'll go one step further that the extreme Republican tactics are a sign of desperation
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:30 PM
Feb 2015

When you are willing to sacrifice whatever makes you human in order to win, its a BIG sign of desperation.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
9. The Republican Party must've gotten a big inferiority complex during the Mid 20th century...
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015

The Democratic Party was in control of Congress for the most part of the mid 20th century, and even the successful Republicans were liberal in today's standards. The resentment of not winning or being relatively powerless must've fed an inferiority complex within the Republican Party.

Quote from Thom Hartmann's article on Jude Wanniski:

Goldwater, however, rejected the "liberalism" of Eisenhower, Rockefeller, and other "moderates" within his own party. Extremism in defense of liberty was no vice, he famously told the 1964 nominating convention, and moderation was no virtue. And it doomed him and his party.

And so after Goldwater's defeat, the Republicans were again lost in the wilderness just as after Hoover's disastrous presidency. Even four years later when Richard Nixon beat Hubert Humphrey in 1968, Nixon wasn't willing to embrace the economic conservatism of Goldwater and the economic true believers in the Republican Party. And Jerry Ford wasn't, in their opinions, much better. If Nixon and Ford believed in economic conservatism, they were afraid to practice it for fear of dooming their party to another forty years in the electoral wilderness.

By 1974, Jude Wanniski had had enough. The Democrats got to play Santa Claus when they passed out Social Security and Unemployment checks – both programs of the New Deal – as well as when their "big government" projects like roads, bridges, and highways were built giving a healthy union paycheck to construction workers. They kept raising taxes on businesses and rich people to pay for things, which didn't seem to have much effect at all on working people (wages were steadily going up, in fact), and that made them seem like a party of Robin Hoods, taking from the rich to fund programs for the poor and the working class. Americans loved it. And every time Republicans railed against these programs, they lost elections.


- http://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clauses-or-how-republican-party-has-conned-america-thirty-years
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
10. Oh if only reality resembled anything that you've written.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:24 PM
Feb 2015

The truth is that the Democrats are too busy losing to understand why we are losing. This thread covers some of the symptoms, but not the cause. The fact that it recognizes the symptoms is promising, but I've learned to be wary of people who are able to take an honest look at things. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026261090

The truth is that the Democratic Party is afraid. The Democratic Party is staffed from top to bottom with cowards. Let's be honest for a moment. The Democrats have become as harsh towards the accused in the justice system because in the late 1970's, the Democrats were called soft on crime. We have the image of Dukakis and the famous Willie Horton debacle as a demonstrable proof that you have to be tough on criminals or you doom any candidacy for higher office before you get started. So Liberal became a bad word regarding the criminal justice system. Democrats went along with mandatory sentencing, taking the power out of the hands of the Judges. At least we weren't soft on crime, and if a few innocent people get sentenced to life for crimes that they did not commit, that's a price we're willing to pay.

War and the Military. After Viet-Nam, the idea that the Democrats were wimps as far as the Military was concerned took root. This image is one we still fight, and most often unsuccessfully. Any time we suggest cutting military spending on anything, Viagra for example, we're labeled as soft on the Military. Rather than exposing the outrageous waste and fraud going on, we meekly submit and shovel money to the MIC just as fast as the Republicans. Because we're afraid.

The "war on drugs" now entering it's fortieth successful year, is another topic in which we are terrified. Anyone with half a brain knows the fastest way to end drugs is to legalize them. Because product liability lawsuits would bankrupt the cartels in about two years, maybe three. It would make Asbestos look like a desired product by comparison. Yet out of fear of being labeled Soft on Drugs we shovel money into the DEA so we can avoid that.

We keep doing things that are blatantly stupid. Our core principle that we apply to any question is can we be blamed for this? It used to be that the Democratic Party believed in principles. Now, our only principle is summed up thusly. We're in favor of winning elections. We're opposed to the Republicans winning elections.

So the Republicans read the polls that show the people are concerned about the Economy. We are afraid that someone might think we are responsible for the Economy if we talk about it other than saying how awesome it is, and we ignore the issue. Instead we focus on a phrase that tested well with a focus group. We focus on the War on Women. We get our asses kicked, and we don't know why.

Then someone comes along and announces that it is because the Republicans have more big money donors. More Billionaires donate to Democrats than to Republicans. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jun/23/do-many-billionaires-support-democratic-party/ That isn't nonsense, that is factual information we are afraid to deal with. Again, the fear element comes in. Because if we admit that plenty of rich folks donate to us, then we have to explain how Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are good rich people who made their money through totally ethical means while the Koch Brothers are scum because they cheated to get their billions. At least we're smart enough to be afraid of that asinine argument, but don't worry, I'm betting before long a Democrat will be so afraid that they do shout that out.

Cowardice is the defining factor of our party. The only time one of our politicians takes a stand on an issue is when they're too afraid not to. Doubt me? President Obama's decision on Gay Marriage. The reasons were just as true three years before as they were the day of the decision. Yet after VP Biden made his comments, President Obama was too afraid to sit silent any more.

It isn't courageous to come forward as a witness to a crime when they've picked you out of the video from a surveillance camera. It isn't courageous to admit you have an STD after the county health department has contacted your Significant Other with instructions on how to get tested. It isn't courageous to bow to public pressure and support something today when you ignored it yesterday, last week, and last year.

Courage used to be a word that embodied the Democratic Party. Now we try to be Republican Lite, because we're afraid of being labeled soft on insert the issue here. Look at the upcoming election. Look how many people here, and in the media have already decided it will be Clinton. How many are supporting her because they're afraid of saying they don't support a woman. How many are grasping at meaningless polls as their justification and utterly ignorant of the issues she supports out of that fear?

We're a party led by cowards. People so craven that the giants of our party, FDR, Truman, JFK would spit on us in disgust. We've lost the courageous and we don't have anyone left to take the lead. No Teddy Kennedy to give a rousing speech on the floor of the Senate calling things what they are like we had in the 80's and 90's. Nobody to pick up the torch and run with it. Now, our political leaders look at the torch, and say that if they pick it up, they might get burned.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. There's an old saying in racing; If you ain't cheating you ain't trying
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:12 PM
Feb 2015

Win a major race and your car/motorcycle/boat/whatever will be torn down and inspected, often there are pre race inspections as well.

Every now and then someone finds a way around the rules that's not exactly cheating but more of an "end run" Like Jim Hall with his Chaparral racers known as the "flying vacuum cleaners", he put two snowmobile engines on his cars with big fans to suck the air out from under the car and stick it to to the racetrack like a suction cup.. He whomped everyone for one year and the next year moveable aerodynamic devices were banned in that sort of racing.



The Republicans at least are trying, they have the courage of their convictions and they aren't shy about pushing them at any and every single point they can.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
13. They're not asking for our admiration, and they are winning
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:59 PM
Feb 2015

They want to get and keep power. They've been very good at doing that. They're winners at what counts to them.

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