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derby378

(30,252 posts)
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:10 PM Feb 2015

A serious question: How is the Democratic Party retooling itself after last year's disaster?

So far, I see no changes in messaging or personnel. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is still in charge of the party, I haven't heard of anyone in the party hierarchy being shown the door, and Obama's White House is still struggling to put forth a bold vision for America. Meanwhile, W 2.0 is being groomed to go head-to-head against Mike Huckabee with his brother's old team in his pocket.

I'm getting a bit worried.

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A serious question: How is the Democratic Party retooling itself after last year's disaster? (Original Post) derby378 Feb 2015 OP
Doubling down on centrism, Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #1
Milquetoast acquiescence to Wall Street can't fail, it can only BE FAILED. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #10
DWS and the Third Way are pretty sure they can save the Party. Just move right a little bit more. Scuba Feb 2015 #2
What are you talking about? obxhead Feb 2015 #3
Appears Al Fromm is still in control Wellstone ruled Feb 2015 #4
What disaster? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #5
I'll repeat the question... (n/t) derby378 Feb 2015 #6
I heard last night that they are going to target races in states where there has been a lot of jwirr Feb 2015 #7
Probably out recruiting some fresh Blue Dog faces to run. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #11
Unfortunately that may be the truth. The idea of countering gerrymandering is good but won't work jwirr Feb 2015 #14
Most states won't redistrict until after 2020 madville Feb 2015 #23
Everything is just fine. HappyMe Feb 2015 #8
Leadership lol fredamae Feb 2015 #9
We don't have to...we were right then, we're right now. ileus Feb 2015 #12
Hate to tell you this... derby378 Feb 2015 #25
They're stocking up on euphemisms for "Not as Bad" and "We Suck Less". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #15
Hillary has 200 economic advisers... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #19
*snort* AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #20
LOL nt m-lekktor Feb 2015 #22
I needed the laugh. Thank you. derby378 Feb 2015 #26
Thats about it...lol Ramses Feb 2015 #40
Maybe it'll work next time. nt bemildred Feb 2015 #17
They don't have to retool. Who else do all we little tools have to vote for? Autumn Feb 2015 #18
Oh, hell yes! They found a ton of new tools to run their party. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #29
Words of truth. truedelphi Feb 2015 #30
did the Republicans retool after 2008 or 2012? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #21
I think the Republicans are doing us a favor. One after the other gets up and CTyankee Feb 2015 #24
Maybe they'll quit running away from Obama's successes. Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #27
The Wall Street/Third Way Democrats in the halls of power are shifting to the right, of course Warpy Feb 2015 #28
No problem that more of the same won't solve. leveymg Feb 2015 #31
It's not changing at all... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #32
They all know full well that no liberal Democrat will ever get a Mickey Mouse board job, closeupready Feb 2015 #33
any possibility of offering a real alternative guillaumeb Feb 2015 #34
Looks like we're going to run the "GOP so scary!!!" play again. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #35
i got nothin. elehhhhna Feb 2015 #36
nothing has changed on purpose Ramses Feb 2015 #37
I wonder if Russ Feingold will surprise us all and replace Debbie Wasserman Schulz cascadiance Feb 2015 #38
They're softening the footballs NBachers Feb 2015 #39

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Doubling down on centrism,
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:14 PM
Feb 2015

making deals with Wall Street and AIPAC to secure campaign financing…the usual, you know. Why change when you've got a winning game?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. DWS and the Third Way are pretty sure they can save the Party. Just move right a little bit more.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:14 PM
Feb 2015
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
3. What are you talking about?
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:14 PM
Feb 2015

Last year was a complete success. Now the dems can finally work with republicans to drag our country further to the right.

Sure, there are a few nails still sticking up that need to be hammered down, but its OK, there is now an overwhelming corporate majority from the whitehouse on down.

We're finally going to see shit get done, especially the TPP.

Sarcasm? No, not even a little bit.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Appears Al Fromm is still in control
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:14 PM
Feb 2015

of the Party Philosophy,and until this POS third wayer goes,nothing will change.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
5. What disaster?
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:15 PM
Feb 2015

they are all getting very wealthy. Their families are all getting very wealthy too.so I am NOT seeing where the disaster is.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. I heard last night that they are going to target races in states where there has been a lot of
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:22 PM
Feb 2015

gerrymandering. If we can take them back we can get rid of the gerrymandering. That is if we can take back the leadership of those states. I think that is a good move.

I have not heard anything else.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. Probably out recruiting some fresh Blue Dog faces to run.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:51 PM
Feb 2015

Ya wanna go for that new-doghouse smell ya know.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Unfortunately that may be the truth. The idea of countering gerrymandering is good but won't work
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:03 PM
Feb 2015

if we cannot get the right people to do it. However I would think that this idea would be good for all Democratic candidates regardless. For instance if Hillary wants to have a congress that works with her this may be her only hope for 2018 elections. As long as the states can gerrymander they have a guaranteed win.

madville

(7,410 posts)
23. Most states won't redistrict until after 2020
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:23 PM
Feb 2015

So the 2022 election will be the first opportunity to see some of the Republican gerrymandering undone.

They will of course try to adjust some of the districts that are gerrymandered towards Democrats, many of those were established due to the Civil Rights/Voting acts, many seats held by the CBC are drawn to gaurantee a Democratic win.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
8. Everything is just fine.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:25 PM
Feb 2015

No need to retool!

Change frightens people. Sitting out the midterms is no big deal.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
25. Hate to tell you this...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:18 PM
Feb 2015

...but we were losers then, and we're losers now. That means our "rightness" must have something wrong with it.

Only by winning can we start to undo the damage. But first, we must win.

Response to derby378 (Original post)

Response to Fumesucker (Reply #16)

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. Words of truth.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:30 PM
Feb 2015

While people involved in the "D" Party are pretending that it is all good.

And it is all good, if you are an American not living in one of the many countries where American Drones are killing people.

And you have the investment options most people don't.

Other than that, it all pretty much sucks.

Which is why, here in Calif., only 29% of all registered voters bothered to vote in the mid term elections.

That is a reduction of eight percent over prior mid terms!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. did the Republicans retool after 2008 or 2012?
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 03:56 PM
Feb 2015

Much of politics is cyclical. Obviously improvements need to be made in certain structural areas, but a complete retooling for the sake of retooling is rarely a good idea.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
24. I think the Republicans are doing us a favor. One after the other gets up and
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:31 PM
Feb 2015

makes a gigantic fool of themselves. All their candidates a disasters and the polls prove it.

What this means as far a change in the Dem party I don't know. But the people are paying attention and they want to hear solutions not a bunch of bullshit. It will be interesting to see how this plays out...

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
28. The Wall Street/Third Way Democrats in the halls of power are shifting to the right, of course
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:27 PM
Feb 2015

because there is nothing that motivates voters who are falling behind every year like promising them more of the same!

It will be like this until the next big crash.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
32. It's not changing at all...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:33 PM
Feb 2015

Democrats are assuming they will turn out better in 2016 and Hillary is likely to win.

It seems the Democrats are prepared to just write off mid-term elections and be content if it is able to keep the White House.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. They all know full well that no liberal Democrat will ever get a Mickey Mouse board job,
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:38 PM
Feb 2015

or do-nothing stint at a hedge fund being compensated massively, if they campaign for popular things like more generous social security payments or single payer health care, so they play follow the leader, and the party leaders are on board with the corporo-Third Way agenda. There won't be any change, as such. Change starts with YOU.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
34. any possibility of offering a real alternative
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:41 PM
Feb 2015

to the GOP rather than GOP-Lite?

Just asking.

Yes, as many point out, only a fraction of the electorate bothers to vote. Two possibilities for this:
1) young people, minorities, workers in general are stupid and do not care who wins, or
2) Many people recognize that there is little substantive difference on many issues between the 2 parties.

If the answer is #1 education is the answer.
If the answer is #2 changing the party is the answer. Not change by raising our own money to bribe/elect politicians. Change by getting involved in the structure of the parties and forcing that change.

Raising money to bribe/elect only takes a few billionaires, but getting involved takes millions of people.

Whether the answer to the first question is 1 or 2 the same solutions apply.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
37. nothing has changed on purpose
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:15 PM
Feb 2015

The party under Hillary will move further and further tp the right by design. And we will be told to sit down, shit up, and clap harder. Ive even read here once her coronation is complete, we are not allowed to discuss issues. Only complete praise and loud clapping will be tolerated.

It almost feels like a certain country in the 1930s

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
38. I wonder if Russ Feingold will surprise us all and replace Debbie Wasserman Schulz
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:03 PM
Feb 2015

... instead of making a run for the U.S. Senate, that rumors are starting now about with his recent personal moves.

Probably want him back as the senator for Wisconsin, but that would be a surprising move, and I think someone like Feingold would be a good replacement as head of the DNC if called upon.

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