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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:19 AM Feb 2015

Guess which 'Liberal' state has 500 Laws Aimed at Oppressing the Homeless?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/guess-which-liberal-state-has-500-laws-aimed-oppressing-homeless



Cities in the United States have a long history of criminalizing the public presence of people they consider undesirable. In the late 1800s, Southern cities established “sundown towns,” laws that restricted black people from being outside after sunset. Throughout the 19th century, cities ratified “ugly laws,” banning people who were diseased or deformed from being outside. During the Great Depression, California cities passed an “anti-Okie” law, making it illegal to assist poor people entering the state.

Today, society’s target is homeless people. Beginning in the 1980s when the federal government slashed the affordable housing budget, cities have enacted thousands of laws to criminalize basic human needs such as resting, sleeping, standing, and sitting, as well as acts like panhandling and food sharing.

That’s why the Western Regional Advocacy Project, a network of homeless advocacy groups on the West Coast, is pushing to pass the Right to Rest Act in Oregon, Colorado and California this year. The act, the first of its kind, would protect all residents’ right to rest, allowing people to occupy and use public spaces without fear of discrimination. The legislation was written based off interviews with more than 1,400 homeless people. It would also serve as a model legislation that could be enacted in every state across the nation.
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Guess which 'Liberal' state has 500 Laws Aimed at Oppressing the Homeless? (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2015 OP
I'd rather see laws about people's right to jobs, income, homes -- not their right to be ND-Dem Feb 2015 #1
But at least the other is showing mercy Tsiyu Feb 2015 #17
i don't consider it 'mercy'. no more than giving inmates the right to sit in the yard. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #20
All I'm saying is that we should make it legal Tsiyu Feb 2015 #21
yes. i just hate to see stuff like this touted as though it were a humanitarian breakthrough. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #22
"The Right to Rest Act" aspirant Feb 2015 #2
This land is your land haikugal Feb 2015 #3
Woody wrote 'This Land Is Your Land' in 1940, Arlo was born in 1947. They did not co-write the song. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #4
Yes, thank you for that... haikugal Feb 2015 #6
But Arlo is the Proud son of his Awesome Dad madokie Feb 2015 #10
Yes. LWolf Feb 2015 #15
Here. LWolf Feb 2015 #5
You have my gratitude.... haikugal Feb 2015 #7
:) LWolf Feb 2015 #8
What a beautiful voice madokie Feb 2015 #11
What a voice... haikugal Feb 2015 #12
Different vid than I wanted to post, but you got it! haikugal Feb 2015 #9
to post a video just click copy on its youtube url, then paste on the posting page here. done. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23
wow, thanks for posting, what a way to wake up that was reddread Feb 2015 #13
swift kick because reddread Feb 2015 #16
I hope everyone reads the article and appreciates the details within reddread Feb 2015 #14
California has far more visible homeless n2doc Feb 2015 #18
K/R marmar Feb 2015 #19
two pronged kick reddread Feb 2015 #24
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
1. I'd rather see laws about people's right to jobs, income, homes -- not their right to be
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:32 AM
Feb 2015

homeless, broke and living on the sidewalk, sorry.

Is this really the best we can do for people, and call it a damn victory -- in bizarro-land? This is what liberalism has been reduced to? This so-called "model legislation" for our new future as resourceless slaves?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
17. But at least the other is showing mercy
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:40 AM
Feb 2015

I have been reading a translation of the French book Bitter Feast about first contact between New World tribes and Europeans.

The Hurons made sure every member of the tribe was fed and cared for; you were regarded as wealthy when you gave more away. Hoarding was seen as a scourge, rather than a lifestyle to adopt.

Hurons were puzzled by the white race, who wouldn't even take care of their own.

As the book shows, the Hurons could be brutal, but their enemies were outside of the tribe. They were stunned that whites' enemies were one another. That they starved and tortured and beat their own.

The Europeans reported that Hurons had very, very peaceful towns, where everyone got along and there was no begging or homelessness. Europeans found it stunning that people could get along and that everyone was fed.

Guess which mindset won, to America's eternal detriment?

How can a nation survive when we create poverty by our policies, and then turn around and criminalize poverty!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
20. i don't consider it 'mercy'. no more than giving inmates the right to sit in the yard.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:21 PM
Feb 2015

something other than mercy.

unless by mercy you mean the right not to be executed summarily for the crime of being poor.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
21. All I'm saying is that we should make it legal
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:04 PM
Feb 2015

to rest on public property no matter who you are. That one act won't solve problems, I know.

But it's better than arresting people for being poor in public.

Things are horrible for many, and things have to change.

On that we both agree.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
22. yes. i just hate to see stuff like this touted as though it were a humanitarian breakthrough.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:09 PM
Feb 2015

to me it just demonstrates how far the country has fallen and how it continues to fall.

and what it means for neighborhoods like mine is more public decline instead of remedy.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
2. "The Right to Rest Act"
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:34 AM
Feb 2015

For all people to enjoy the people's property, I LOVE IT.

What a wonderful balancing act to the Puritan so-called ethic of hard work at any cost.

Until we can right this ship, Americans should be welcome in America.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
3. This land is your land
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 07:03 AM
Feb 2015

This land is my land

Google Woody and Arlo Guthery...I'd post but I'm IPad illiterate





 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. Woody wrote 'This Land Is Your Land' in 1940, Arlo was born in 1947. They did not co-write the song.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 08:47 AM
Feb 2015

nt

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
6. Yes, thank you for that...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:14 AM
Feb 2015

However, I was indicating the you tube I wanted to post but was too illiterate to post...sorry if I confused you

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
15. Yes.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:18 AM
Feb 2015

Arlo visited my town about 8 or 9 years ago; he performed at a local high school as a fundraiser for a local public radio station. Even though I live in a pretty red area, the auditorium was packed with people who loved him, standing room only, and sang right along with him for this, and other old favorites. Out in the audience, we were laughing and crying and singing, and it was one of the best musical events I've ever attended.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
7. You have my gratitude....
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:16 AM
Feb 2015

Now I want to post Linda Rhonstadt....my son has a class for me this afternoon... "

madokie

(51,076 posts)
11. What a beautiful voice
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:37 AM
Feb 2015

its been silenced though and that is so sad

i often wonder what her relationship is with the gov now that they're both getting old. Like so many of us as we age our glow dims

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
12. What a voice...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:38 AM
Feb 2015

That song always makes me cry.

I bought her heart like a wheel album on ITunes...now I have to learn how to use my wireless speaker with the IPad for in the barn...stupid, I know. Thank you,

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
9. Different vid than I wanted to post, but you got it!
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:32 AM
Feb 2015

Thankyou... I appreciate your effort, it still says what I wanted to say.

I wonder what people think when they hear this now...do they, like me, think about the native populations and how this was, is, their land? Just a thought. Anyway, what is happening in this country is criminal. We are all one people, there are no races, we are brothers and sisters.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
23. to post a video just click copy on its youtube url, then paste on the posting page here. done.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 01:11 PM
Feb 2015
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
13. wow, thanks for posting, what a way to wake up that was
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 09:46 AM
Feb 2015

I know that picture pretty well, dont think I took it, but the banner-
looks like someone just winging it with a can of paint on a blue tarp.
not too bad, if I do say so myself.
Slogan was pretty obvious under the circumstances.
A self organized and ruled campsite had sprung along a canal bank in
a somewhat desolate spot near a freeway and behind a grainery after one
of the largest camps you have ever seen was torn down from around the
local official homeless resource providers, who DIDNT WANT THEM THERE.

Nearby gymnasium owner went all out to have the camp removed.
it is a long story i cant tell at the moment, but thanks for posting this.
we used the same or similar signs around town to suggest alternatives
to chasing the homeless away from safer situations into the shadows.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
14. I hope everyone reads the article and appreciates the details within
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 10:05 AM
Feb 2015

the fact that Santa Cruz, with it's patina of free thinking and bohemian
history has been subsumed by self interested folks who were elected
under the impression that they were liberal.
one of the worst areas to be homeless, although the weather is the very best.
they dont want to share with the poor.
hell, if they have any sense, they dont even want to be there themselves.
the traffic congestion is a bug, not a feature.
town is a shell of what it used to be, filled with nasty ingredients.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
18. California has far more visible homeless
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:44 AM
Feb 2015

California may have more laws on the books, but there are far fewer visible homeless down here in Georgia. Climate? Benefits? I can't imagine Georgia does a wise job oppressing the homeless than does California.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
24. two pronged kick
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Feb 2015

one for the photo I didnt have to post,
another for those who think liberalism cares for the poorest citizens in the United States.

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