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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just heard on Chris Hayes that 57% of the American want to send boots on the ground to fight ISIS
Who the hell are these people? I personally am more scared of the kochthuglicans destroying our country than ISIS.
That said the government should enlist these NRA open carry right to bear arms types to go over to the Middle East and use their shinny guns. It would accomplish many things, they get to use their guns, they get to kill Muslims and maybe the realization that war is hell will sink in. I think recruitment should start on Fox propaganda network immediately. Age is no deterrent even if you're old you enlist and get your a$$ shipped over to fight the holy war Fox is pushing.
Why send our youth over to fight these useless wars? Plus the gun people have their guns and camo clothes. Just put them on a Plane and drop them off in the war zones and let them go at it!
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vt_native
(484 posts)oil spills,leaking pipelines, and oil tanker trains.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Amid more executions by the militant group ISIS, Americans increasingly see the group as a threat to the U.S. Now, 65 percent of Americans view ISIS as a major threat - up from 58 percent in October - while another 18 percent view it as a minor threat. Majorities of Republicans (86 percent), Democrats (61 percent) and independents (57 percent) view ISIS as a major threat.
With concern about ISIS growing, support for the use of U.S. ground troops in the fight against ISIS has risen. For the first time, a majority of Americans (57 percent) favor the U.S. sending ground troops into Iraq and Syria to fight ISIS. In October, Americans were divided (47 percent favored and 46 percent opposed), and in September these numbers were reversed (39 percent favored and 55 percent opposed).
Support for sending U.S. ground troops to fight ISIS has risen among all partisans, but particularly among Democrats and independents. Back in October, 56 percent of Democrats and 49 percent of independents disapproved of using ground troops - now 50 percent of Democrats approve and 53 percent of independents favor using ground troops.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/do-americans-want-to-send-ground-troops-to-fight-isis/
Caretha
(2,737 posts)Lucky us.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)
tanyev
(42,564 posts)Dwight42
(43 posts)and the all volunteer army installed; to prevent mothers and fathers from voicing objections to the wars in the voting both.
Now with this all volunteer/mercenary army the public is completely in the dark when it comes to the acts of destabilization of unwilling countries to follow the Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex and its endless wars for profit; Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen and now Asia and the African continent there is no need to continue, the list is quite large.
Eventually, when the US is totally morally and financially bankrupt the world will applaud the demise of the American Century and its disgusting Empire.
GP6971
(31,164 posts)I was born in La Jolla Calif at the start of WWII and during my entire life the USA has been at war all over the world and today the American Empire has 1000, give or take bases in some 120 countries which are used to promote ''vulture capitalism'' and have nothing to do with promoting any form of democracy or freedoms of the oppressed.
I consider myself a citizen of the world, not just one spot on it and all of its people my brothers and sisters, with a few exceptions like greedy politicians and their mindless followers.
My parents were republicans, of the fascist kind and are probably rolling in their graves because they didn't live to see their dreams for this country realized. I was disinherited because I forsake the republicans and looked to the democrats to turn the country around, foolish me.
After Eisenhower and his ''Beware of the Military/Industrial/Congressional complex'', which no one seems to have paid any attention leading to the endless 7 decades of wars and revolving door between the Military/Industrial/Congressional complex but it was Viet Nam, the murder of the Kennedy's and Dr. King where I, unfortunately lost faith in the American political process.
But being forced to vote I would support the Democrats over the Republicans, though there isn't a nickles worth of difference on the important issues, like world domination for the benefit of the very wealthy through conquest and plunder at a cost of a trillion dollars a year but the Democrats just might treat the disadvantaged a little better on social issues.
And after Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and another Clinton or Bush I understand the great question of of my youth; ''how did the German people allow their Republic to be turned into a fascist dictatorship''.
I have hope that things will bet get better before that get any worse, but I am not optimistic that any politician on the horizon offers anything new that would reverse the last 70 years and work toward world peace and justice for all.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)huh
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I do not believe the poster ever mentioned Obama.
What is your fucking point/agenda?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Reading, it's for adults!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026250471#post21
They also said
Dem=Repub and Obama is with Reagan, Bush, Clinton, baby bush as far as what he does. So it seemed like a legitimate question.
What's your problem with the cussing?
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I don't. 
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)
Well I almost said President Obama may not qualify for number 2, due to his high minded rhetoric but on reflection his Asian pivot, move into Africa, the Drone wars leading to the murder of innocent men, women and children changed my mind.
His administration, is filled with Bush and Clinton cronies which only led to the expansion of the Cheney/Bush doctrine of “regime change” by force in no fewer than seven Mideast states. world domination' Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.
Obama all by himself is responsible for elimination of several leaders of countries that would not go along with the American hegemony, the elected government of Egypt and Libya, who dared to pass on oil profits to the people and is working on Iran, after all he is obligated to the people who put him office.
The fact that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of his warmongering gang should have been prosecuted for the bogus rational for invading Afghanistan, the lying to the American public get into Iraq to create US control of Pipelinestan and the war crimes that followed were not sent to the Hague for trial by this president says it all.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)security by promoting fear, uses religious rhetoric, suppresses labor power, disdains intellectuals and the arts, has given police almost limitless power, including a national police force, has rampant cronyism and corruption, and hold fraudulent elections?
Seriously?
There is a lot that happens politically I disagree with, but to put that on Obama is ludicrous. Obama, the dictator who has not been able to make congress do what he wants and hence being blocked by the part of no! I am always amused by those who scream he is being a dictator by not over riding congress.
Dwight42
(43 posts)"Security by promoting fear, uses religious rhetoric, suppresses labor power, disdains intellectuals and the arts, has given police almost limitless power, including a national police force, has rampant cronyism and corruption, and hold fraudulent elections?"
Obama was put in place to placate the masses while the wealthy loot and pillage the country and its people. He is popular with democrats, heated by the racist republicans and that is what they want, it detracts from the actually goings on, war, war, war and profits, profits, profits. The icing on the cake will be the passage of these "trade" agreements that will prove worse for American than NAFTA.
To me the entire this government is a charade of the first order. No matter what they say they only work for the wealthy and as a result many more Americans have given up on participating in this "Dog and Pony show" and are staying home in droves.
George Bush promised the moon and all we got was an administration that can only be described as the "Cream de la Scum"
"When Democrats objected to the nomination of William Pryor to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, the White House stood by its allies who leveled charges of anti-Catholic bias at the Democrats. When Sen. Patrick Leahy confronted Vice President Cheney about the impropriety of this charge on the Senate floor, Cheney civilly told him to "F*** off."
Bill Clinton considered himself a "New Democrat" and was a founding member of the Democratic Leadership Council, a centrist group of Democrats, who promoted moderate social positions and neoliberal economic policies.
He fulfilled his campaign promise to reform welfare by creating new rules that required recipients to work within two years of getting welfare and ended Aid to Dependent Children that began the destruction of the safety net for the ever increasing poor. He started the wars for Pipelinestan in Bosnia and then there was the job destroying NAFTA and GAT.
He also signed the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act which was designed to prevent financial institutions from getting too big to fail which led to the depression of 2008.
And is a moral degenerate and will be interesting to see what becomes of the Jeffery Epstein sex scandal with under aged girls. Epstein had over 20 phone numbers with which to contact Clinton. Flight logs reveal the many trips Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz took on pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's private jet, dubbed the 'Lolita Express' with anonymous women.
To be fair, the class people that enter into politics tend to be mostly sociopaths, only out for what they can get. Clinton has earned something like 200 Millions dollars since leaving office; payback for his efforts in behalf of the Oligarchy.
It will be interesting what Obama's pay back will be after he leaves office and hits the lecture circuit.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I agree that many politicians are not those who work for the betterment of their constituents, and that too often those in power are there to support each other's remaining in power while making a shitload of money. There is a lot that happens politically I disagree with, but to put what you wrote on Obama is ludicrous.
"Obama shows disdain for human rights, rampant sexism, control of mass media, obsession with ntl security by promoting fear, uses religious rhetoric, suppresses labor power, disdains intellectuals and the arts, has given police almost limitless power, including a national police force, has rampant cronyism and corruption, and hold fraudulent elections." Seriously? You believe Obama is all of that?
"To me the entire this government is a charade of the first order."
What is the solution, or even the beginning? Who will you support, vote for next election? Who did you support last one? I am curious.
rgbecker
(4,831 posts)Please don't give up hope.
Have you seen the posts showing the possibilities of the ISIS videos being staged? Indeed has there been any independent reporting of the events shown in the videos?
It seems we the USA tax payers are just going to continue to be answer to the Devil's dreams. Provide the means, methods, men and materials for perpetual war.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)CNN only took a break lately from its Terrorathon to follow a "if it bleeds" road rage story.
The American media fear factory is the main reason why...I consider the media war criminals on par with Cheney.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Yes, the war against ISIS is fairly hellish. But, if anything, US involvement would me more likely to make it less so than more so.
I'm not convinced that would make it worth while. But this kind of simplistic analysis doesn't add anything to the debate.
kimbutgar
(21,157 posts)msanthrope
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)talking heads that you have to have ground troops, etc. So they go, "Yeah! Ground troops!" There's no thinking beyond that. Not "who would hold/control the territory" or "how long would we have to stay to defend each city and town" or "how many bases/support personnel would be required"?
tracks29
(98 posts)It's Democrats too. "We have to do something" is the usual refrain. It's people who only get their news from TV. Every channel is calling for war. We need to explain to people why they're wrong.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)We can't stop digging ever apparently.
Stupicidal Nation of sheep.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)"ISIS is growing in strength. It has money, it has organization, it has the capacity to inflict real damage. So when we think about a response we have to think about how to destroy that," Warren told Yahoo's Katie Couric.
Warren agreed that "time is of the essence."
"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.
"The terrorists have moved, and we have to move in response," she said, adding part of that "means we're going to have to change in fundamental ways how we monitor our citizens when they go abroad."
http://thehill.com/policy/international/216559-warren-destroying-isis-should-be-our-no-1-priority
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)if only that 57 per cent were the only ones that went.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)But this is not the product of media manipulation. They are posting mass executions on you-tube. People who want to be left to live in peace do not do this.
I do not believe American boots on the ground will be needed here in any notable number, some spotters for the bombing runs, but not much more. I think there will be plenty of local volunteers for the one on one bit. American missiles from drones and the occasional manned aircraft will likely be involved. I am pretty sure they already are.
These folks are applying to be targets for target practice. They are putting themselves in a place where politicians can make a career and win elections by offering to kill them. This is a sure pathway to a short lifespan.
I oppose killing them or anyone, but my opposition will not keep them from harm, only their actions could make a difference. They will not choose that path.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Stopping genocide qualifies as a just war. That being said the Islamic state is an Islamic problem. They seem to want a "Caliphate" which would include, If I understand everything from Iraq to Turkey as well as Egypt and the rest of North Africa. It is the countries in their path that have to stop them. We should do what we can to help them but we cannot and should not take the lead.
I don't know what else can be done to lean on Turkey and Saudi Arabia to stop aiding and abetting these barbarians but if their money supply gets cut off they will be vulnerable.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)War is always just in the eyes of the victor. Who gets to decide? Innocents die either way.
That said, war, or at least organized violence seems sometimes inevitable, as unjust and immoral as it may be. These people are making application to be the next target. It is the answer they are looking for. They somehow do not truly know what they are asking for, but there are plenty who are very very well prepared to deliver.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)As grisly as these deaths are we have just as much within walking distance. I don't hear anyone calling for troops going to Mexico to stop the narco gangs. Lots of grisly death and it's right on our border. Maybe because the media (Fox News and all their wannabees) hasn't ginned up with situation with scary music, pulsing graphics, and endless calls for John Wayne-ism type rhetoric from Obama?
Caretha
(2,737 posts)" Americans are about as smart as a carnival chicken".
I'm starting to believe 90% are members of DU. Believe me, it didn't used to be that way.
madokie
(51,076 posts)and thats exactly what the humpers would be doing , most anyway.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It sounds to me like 57% of our population needs to start filling those boots.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Emotional, irrational, entitled, caked in their own excreted american mythos... Easy to scare and rouse to violence... YeeHaa!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)This is why the broadcast, print, and online media in the United States needs to be nationalized, with strict penalties on writers and producers who publish or broadcast misinformation.
former9thward
(32,017 posts)It will be what you are asking for perfectly.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Dozens of Trotskyists can't be wrong.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)There was a poll by some firm with a Godawful record that had numbers like that mentioned in a posting yesterday. They were the same polling group that told Eric Cantor he had nothing to worry about in his last re-election bid, apparently.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Depends on how the question was asked.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)What a bunch of idiots.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Liberal_in_LA
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Avalux
(35,015 posts)I honestly cannot fathom how that many people would want such a thing. We are so fucked if it's true.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Talk about de-humanizing our men and women in the armed services.
kimbutgar
(21,157 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Except this won't be as easy.
Let these gun humpers have their "heroic war" and be exposed to the realities of war.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Figure it out.
I would not be surprised to find out they are funding Isis and producing the videos that stoke the fear and outrage.
The love of profit has no morality.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)If you ever get the feeling that you are getting a hard sell on the security state, military adventures, the alphabet soup agencies, and everyone in the supply chain that profits off of war, spying, and all of the above, you are.
Started this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026250938
The same people that love the security state love war. Why? Follow the money.
'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' - Upton Sinclair
Rove's rules.
kimbutgar
(21,157 posts)
atreides1
(16,079 posts)Should be trained as a well regulated militia, and sent as the first wave against ISIL...the NRA reportedly has 3 million members.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)Probably not, right? I hate this shit. Spin works and we've had plenty of media spin.
I had a conversation last evening with a less than politically savvy person. They are a decent person, but they work too much and pay too little attention to anything which isn't in the FB feed. They were all for a war against ISIL but had no clue of the fact we could end up in a a real war with Iran if we're not extremely careful. FWIW they were apposed to a war with Iran because the they thought it would be akin to another war such as the one in Iraq. Which the obviously don't really understand since they're for a full on war with ISIL. Propaganda works.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)anywhere in this world to fight anything. Yes, I'd like to see the Fox bigmouths and blonde bimbos be the first to sign up for this new adventure.
pansypoo53219
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mwrguy
(3,245 posts)That'd solve all kinds of problems.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)before campaigning to send other people's kids to fight.
