Owners of cabin where Christopher Dorner died to get $200,000

[Eugene]

Source: Los Angeles Times

Owners of cabin where Christopher Dorner died to get $200,000

By JOSEPH SERNA

FEBRUARY 17, 2015

The owners of the cabin that burned down during the final showdown between ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner and law enforcement in 2013 will be paid $200,000 for their loss.

The cabin in the Angelus Oaks neighborhood of Big Bear burned down Feb. 12, 2013, after the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s SWAT team fired in gas that ignited and consumed the building in fire.

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Dorner was spotted trying to make his escape from the mountain and was chased into a cabin belonging to Candace Martin and Eric Funnell – where authorities surrounded him and engaged in a dramatic gun battle that left a San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy dead.

Dorner shot himself in the cabin’s basement as the building went up in flames.

In a claim against San Bernardino County, Martin and Funnell sought compensation for their cabin, attorneys fees and emotional distress. The $200,000 will be paid out by March 5, according to a copy of the agreement.

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Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dorner-big-bear-cabin-settlement-20150217-story.html

[MrScorpio]

1. I don't know a lot about California real estate values...

But I get the distinct feeling that the County is getting off pretty cheaply here.

I could be wrong, but it's just a hunch.

[Sancho]

2. Is that in addition to insurance?

The article doesn't say.

[MrScorpio]

3. Hopefully the policy covered acts of cop. nt

[glasshouses]

4. They had no intention of giving him a chance to surrender

media blackout on site

[Oklahoma_Liberal]

5. You mean he had no intention of surrendering, right?

He was still killing cops on the lawn of the very cabin where he met his own demise.

[dilby]

43. Well considering how they shot up those two women delivering news papers I think chances are

he knew he was not getting out alive.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

[GGJohn]

44. Well considering that it was LAPD that did that,

not San Bernardino County Sheriffs Office, who were in charge during the final confrontation.
LAPD wasn't even involved in the standoff.

[Oklahoma_Liberal]

64. Same officers?

[GGJohn]

6. You mean he had no intention of surrendering?

He had every chance to surrender during the ordeal, he decided it would be better to go out with a bang and take as many with him as he could.

[glasshouses]

8. They were in no danger at the pointthey had him trapped in the cabin

They were all behind cover and he wasn't going any where

They decided to burn the cabin down

[GGJohn]

9. Well let's just pick apart your absurd statement here.

He had already killed one deputy while retreating into the cabin, darkness was falling and LE was afraid that he could slip through their lines and escape again, killing more people, LE didn't DECIDE to burn down the cabin, Dorner DECIDED to die rather than surrender and face charges in a court of law.
Why are you blaming LE for the actions of the murderous Dorner?

[glasshouses]

10. .

We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner.” “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.” “Burn that fucking house down.” “Fucking burn this motherfucker.” And, “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” officers were stated over the police scanner

[GGJohn]

11. Do you have a link?

Do you even know what a burner is?

Regardless, Dorner is responsible for the death of Dorner. he had ample opportunities to surrender, instead, he decided to keep on killing and refusing to surrender.
Quit blaming LE for the actions of Dorner.

[glasshouses]

13. Two types made

the one they deployed they knew was going to start a fire any where it landed inside a home

[GGJohn]

16. They knew there was a possibility of it starting a fire,

but they didn't deploy it to start a fire.
Once again, you're blaming LE for the actions of Dorner.

[glasshouses]

17. Listen to it your self

[GGJohn]

19. So why don't you tell us where LE said this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026241871#post10

We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner.” “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.” “Burn that fucking house down.” “Fucking burn this motherfucker.” And, “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” officers were stated over the police scanner

Listened to the whole clip, not once did anyone say any of the bolded words.

[glasshouses]

21. look below

[GGJohn]

25. Tell us again where LE said what I bolded.

” “Burn that fucking house down.” “Fucking burn this motherfucker.” And, “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” officers were stated over the police scanner

[glasshouses]

22. Why don't you concede you are wrong on this?

The plan was to burn it down

[GGJohn]

24. Why don't you concede that you're wrong and Dorner

is responsible for the death of Dorner? He had ample opportunity to surrender in the days he was on the run killing people, sorry, but I'm not blaming LE in the least for Dorner being dead.
BTW, Dorner took his own life rather than surrender, he never had any intention of giving up to face charges in a court of law.

[glasshouses]

20. Another one here

Burners is a term they use for smoke canisters , two types
In this audio you can here the cop say "Burn it Down"

They knew what this type of smoke grenade was going to do deployed inside a home.

[GGJohn]

23. Uh, no, you can't really understand what was said for the most part.

You're hearing that because you want to blame LE for the death of Dorner, when in reality, Dorner is responsible for the death of Dorner.

[glasshouses]

26. Bull shit

You're wrong and you know it

[GGJohn]

27. Yeah, I know your claims of LE purposely burning down that cabin are bullshit.

Tell us again where in that clip LE said this.

“Burn that fucking house down.” “Fucking burn this motherfucker.” And, “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” officers were stated over the police scanner

[glasshouses]

28. At about the 42 mark BURN THIS MOTHER FUCKER

[GGJohn]

31. Wow, one person said this.

Was that person in charge? Did he have the authority to deploy the canisters?
Given the tense situation, and the fact that Dorner had already shot and killed several LE, I'm not going to condemn the cops for their actions that day on the mountain.

[glasshouses]

33. You asked me for all these links and I provided them for you

I guess you can go on believing what you want to believe but....

I'm pretty sure you being an intelligent person and ex military you have come to the conclusion that the police
had every intention of burning the cabin down with the method they choose to deploy.

[GGJohn]

34. You provided one link that actually had one person saying

burn that motherfucker, that's it. And was that person the commanding officer in charge? Or just a pissed off cop who had saw other cops murdered by Dorner?

You sure seem to be trying to blame the cops for Dorner's death.

“Burn that fucking house down.” “Fucking burn this motherfucker.” And, “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” officers were stated over the police scanner

Where's the rest of what you claimed was said by LE

[glasshouses]

35. You really hate to admit you're wrong

Oh well it's only the internet

[GGJohn]

36. And you really hate to admit that you embellished

and are wrong about the cops purposely burning down the cabin.

[glasshouses]

40. DU'ers can read the thread and come to their own conclusion

Remember this thread was about whether the cops knew what would
be the conclusion when they decided to pop burners inside a log cabin.

[GGJohn]

45. No, this thread was about the cabin owners being compensated for

the loss of their cabin.

[glasshouses]

47. Should I have written our discussion or sub thread of the OP...

My point was proven over and over again in this thread.

[GGJohn]

48. You're the one who went off topic here,

which happens far too often on DU, I've been guilty of it myself, like right now.

[glasshouses]

51. It was relevent to the OP

The OP was about the cabin that the police burned down

[GGJohn]

54. No, it wasn't relevant to the thread,

it was about the owners being compensated for their cabin being burned down, nothing more, but you decided to make it about something else, so don't act so surprised when you get push back.

[glasshouses]

56. You had nothing to push back with

You heard the tapes

This isn't about if Donner deserved to die by the state for murder.
If you support the death penalty then clearly he was guilty of premeditated murder.

This is about a tactic the police used that day that they knew would result in the wooden cabin going up in flames.

[glasshouses]

58. This tape is a bit clearer where they are getting ready to deploy the burners

you can hear them say we are going to burn him out.

They knew when you pop 7 burners inside a wooden structure it's going to burn down



Seriously how many times do you need to hear this




http://news1.linktv.org/videos/burning-question-did-us-police-intentionally-kill-fugitive-la-cop

[glasshouses]

12. Yes because they don't have NVG

[GGJohn]

14. IOW, you don't have a link? eom.

[glasshouses]

18. look above

[HappyMe]

7. He had plenty of opportunities to surrender.

He chose not to.

[reddread]

37. you think he believed he wasnt dead already?

he would have been the last to know, if that were the case.

[HappyMe]

38. He pretty much had to know that through

most of the whole thing.

He could have surrendered peacefully very early on. Instead, he decided to keep going.

[reddread]

15. that is for certain

shoot a cop and you are all set for public execution.
brandishing a cell phone will get the same result.

[glasshouses]

29. He was never going to get out of there alive , this was personal

[GGJohn]

30. He was never going to come out of there alive because he had

no intention of surrendering, he was going to take as many with him as he could.
Oh wah that Dorner died a violent death at his own hands, I, and the vast majority of Americans didn't lose any sleep with that POS's death.

[geek tragedy]

32. Probably an eminent domain type of transaction.

They had to seize the land and cabin to get Dorner.

[tammywammy]

41. It already was federal or state land.

Can't temember which, but it's in a park (state or national). The cabins were permitted to be there in order to increase visitation to the park.

Most likely answer, they did an appraisal based on the cabin before the fire, and it was much less than what the owner thought it was worth.

[Taitertots]

39. Classic media new speak: Where he "died" not where he was "killed by police"

Only the police can intentionally burn down a building and claim the occupants were responsible.

[GGJohn]

46. Except Dorner wasn't killed by the police,

he took his own life, and the cops didn't intentionally burn the cabin down, it was an accident, they were trying to force him to come out by firing tear gas into the cabin.

[glasshouses]

49. Why keep saying something you know isn't true?

You are a strange one.

[GGJohn]

52. Because I know it to be true,

one of my brothers is with the San Bernardino County Sheriffs Office.

[glasshouses]

59. So it's personal for you

I'll back off because it's family

[GGJohn]

60. No need to back off, we've been pretty civil so far,

and I intend to keep it that way, as I'm quite sure you will.
My brother was one of the responding deputy's that day, from what he told me, it was a very scary and intense incident that day.
Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.
You have a great evening and a just and peaceful life.

[glasshouses]

61. you as well

[geek tragedy]

53. They are right, and you are wrong, so you should really apologize for attacking

someone for telling the truth when you are the one who has their facts wrong.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Autopsy-Report-Confirms-Suicide-for-Christopher-Dorner-278095681.html

Rogue ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner fatally shot himself in the head as he was holed up in a burning cabin during a firefight last year with authorities hunting down the fugitive murderer, an autopsy report released Friday said.

The report confirms what sheriff's officials had said about how Dorner died on Feb. 12, 2013 and sheds light on his final moments.


The autopsy revealed that a single gunshot wound, from a handgun, caused Dorner's death and that he had barricaded himself inside the basement of a cabin in the Big Bear area.

[glasshouses]

55. That's not the discussion we are having

It was about deploying 7 burners, incendiary tear gas canisters made for outdoor use inside a wooden cabin

[geek tragedy]

50. Except police didn't kill him. He killed himself and yes he was responsible

since he was the one who want on a mass killing spree, taking hostages, and shooting at anything that moved outside the cabin.

he was the villain, not a victim.

So, in short the media is correct and your version is not.

[MisterP]

42. I actually drove by the cabin: it looks bad, like "Bosnia 1993" bad

[hunter]

57. I don't know who owned the cabin, but if it was mine I wouldn't want to go back.

Restarting family traditional properties usually costs at least twice, maybe three times "replacement" cost.

They might have starved, thirsted, or forced this guy out by simple sleep deprivation, but they did not.

Surround the house, cut the power and water, and wait. That's the proper way handle a situation like this.

$200,000 seems cheap.

[tammywammy]

62. They were rental cabins n/t

[hunter]

63. Thanks.

Seems fair then.