What will happen to those who hate Hillary if she wins the nomination?

[MoonRiver]

Will they be allowed to keep bashing her?

[Autumn]

1. We all line up behind the nominee. But I don't think anyone "hates" Hillary

[MoonRiver]

2. Could have fooled me from the mouth frothing posts against her.

But maybe I'm overly sensitive?

[Maedhros]

5. Bad policy gets bad press. [n/t]

[hifiguy]

23. This. Times a googolplex.

What a surprise that a warhawk corporatist BFF of the banksters gets bad pub on a left-leaning website. Whoda thunk it?

[Maedhros]

36. You'd think that any Democrat worth her salt

would at least make a passing effort NOT to be photographed being chummy with Henry Kissinger...

[Art_from_Ark]

59. I don't think she could have avoided being photographed with Kissinger

because they both served as Secretary of State. But at least she could have taken the Jimmy Carter approach to a photo-op:

[treestar]

129. Do we really expect them

to do things like cut people like that? It would look immature. There is nothing wrong with being in the same room or talking to them. Nothing would get done otherwise.

[msongs]

47. not a nice thing to say about our president nt

[merrily]

58. He's not running again. Hillary is, though.

[LanternWaste]

92. It's creative the way you rationalize two sets of standards to meet the same bar...

It's creative the way you rationalize two sets of standards to meet the same bar...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

68. You can't argue "she deserves to be hated" and "no-one hates her" at the same time. N.T.

[Autumn]

6. Democrats are passionate about the politicians that they support.

[winter is coming]

7. Mouth frothing? Yeah, you're clearly an unbiased observer.

Being distrustful of a candidate or adamantly opposed to what they represent is not the same thing as personal animus.

[MoonRiver]

10. Could have fooled me!

[Warren Stupidity]

16. I'm guessing it could have fooled you!

[winter is coming]

17. Some tasks are easier than others. n/t

[merrily]

32. maybe. Your talk about hating, bashing and mouth frothing seems immature and immature people

people can, and often do, get fooled.

Same for people with such a low tolerance for views other than their own.

You might try the Hillary Group.

[brooklynite]

96. Okay - let me share some thoughtful DU distrust of Hillary Clinton and her policies...

" I'm sure Hillary has threatened Elizabeth Warren often and will continue to. -- I don't blame Warren if she does not run -- She'd probably live a lot longer that way! "

Not surprised. You don't screech your way into the White House; you earn it.

Frothing? No way!

[enlightenment]

13. Maybe you are.

Overly sensitive.

The answer to your question is in the terms and conditions for the website.

[hfojvt]

14. I would think that lots of people here do hate her

at least if they are honest about it.

[SidDithers]

62. They're not...nt

Sid

[BlueCaliDem]

141. They're not. Honest about it, that is.

But there's no mistaking an almost visceral hatred is palpable in some of their posts that can't be denied.

[demwing]

131. Yeah...#2 /nt

[davidpdx]

66. Yeah but they like to throw around that accusation

Because surely if you disagree with her you must hate her, right?

As for me, I will be locking myself out of DU on purpose for a five and half month vacation (as soon as Oregon's primary is over).

[Donald Ian Rankin]

67. Then spend some time reading DU. N.T.

[pnwmom]

125. There are some very vocal people here who despise her and insist they won't vote for her

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in the General Election.

And there are just ordinary haters who don't necessarily make threats, like this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026255188#post37

"She hasn't 'earned' squat. But she did sleep with the guy who got a BJ in the Oval Office."

[sabrina 1]

130. Sorry, we won't 'all line up' behind someone who voted for Bush's FPs. The Party needs to know

that NOW so they can avoid a huge loss, as they experienced when they did not listen to the voters, in the mid terms.

Telling them NOW. well, we will cave if you force us to, is not the way to go.

Telling them 'no, IF you refuse to listen to the voters, don't count on us' is far more likely to get them to listen.'

IF she is the nominee, and I made a promise to myself the night Hillary voted for the Iraq War, that I would never support anyone who, at that critical moment in our history, made the WRONG decision. THAT is not a leader.

If she is the nominee, I will focus on Congress and the Senate, to try to get Progressive Dems elected so they can stop these wars no matter who tries to start them.

[el_bryanto]

3. Probably - but the tenor of the criticisms will change.

People will focus more on whoever the Republicans put up who will surely be awful. And they will look for signs that she will govern more liberally than some believe she will.

Bryant

[Katashi_itto]

4. You get an echo chamber until the election that point.

But lots still won't vote for her. I plan on waffles that day if shes the only choice.

[MoonRiver]

9. I don't think your vote will make any difference,

but how will you feel if Bush III becomes POTUS?

[Katashi_itto]

15. Then get a different candidate. Either way lucky for you my vote doesn't count

so it won't be missed. Right?

The same way Mary Landrieu didn't miss my vote.

[MoonRiver]

22. I like Hillary. But if I didn't how could I get a different candidate?

Candidates decide if they want to run or not.

[Katashi_itto]

30. There is your quandry. Either supply a different candidate or do without the faction

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who have decided she is the line in the sand.

[Agschmid]

78. I think that onus is on you?

[Katashi_itto]

99. No it's not. I either spend my vote on a brand I trust, or withhold it.

Capitalism at work.

[Agschmid]

101. You go on with your bad self then...

I'll be voting and making sure it counts even though I am in a deep blue state.

[Katashi_itto]

111. I made my withholding count with Mary Landrieu.

[Agschmid]

112. You did? Tell me how...

[randys1]

27. How could ANY person who CLAIMS to be a liberal (maybe they dont claim that, not sure)

EVER act in a way that would allow a republican to win any political office anywhere in America?



I dont expect you to have the answer, I see you are asking that question as well, sort of.

[TheKentuckian]

49. Those that would accept the Republican worldview and implement their policies are the ones that want

them to win regardless of what affiliation is claimed.

There is nothing liberal about global corporate dominance, a surveillance state, protecting and rationalizing war criminals, exporting our jobs, outsourcing our democracy, and imperial warmongering consuming tax receipts which plays right into the shrink the pig nonsense.

I'm not anything I wasn't before except willing to continue to endorse the direction of the Turd Way leveraged intellectual buyout of our party.

Liberal doesn't mean playing punching bag to a Hannity

If being liberal means being a fool of a chump that sells out not just themselves but the future then call me what you must and deal with who you see in the mirror as a consequence and I'll do the same.

[merrily]

60. +1. The left is nothing like the right, but the center right sure shows a number of similarities.

Seeking to equate liberals with the right is false equivalency at its worst and laughable. And transparent.

On a related topic, liberals are not the Democratic counterpart of teabaggers :

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/13/rachel-maddow-blasts-media-turn-liberal-democrats-tea-party.html

The splinter group within the Democratic Party are the so called centrists, who sought to leave the main body of the Party behind. Hence the name "New Democrats." First, they wanted to disassociate themselves from the Party as much as they could without losing the benefits of the Party (much as Teabaggers did), then they wanted to pretend they ARE the Party.

It is no accident that the Koch brothers donated to the DLC and "served" on its Executive Council, and conceived of the Tea Party at about the same time (the 1980s).

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html (DLC info)

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations (Tea Party info).

One is the right wing of the Republican Party and the other is the right wing of the Democratic Party. Fostering both helps the Koch brothers ensure that the nation goes further right.

[haikugal]

138. Well said. You speak for me as well. Thanks nt

[Katashi_itto]

50. When both choices are essentially Republican.

[randys1]

71. And one clearly supports Women's rights and one DOESNT, you do what, stay home and

watch Dr. Phil?

[Katashi_itto]

73. Ah yes. Impoverishment with the illusion of social justice or Impoverishment without the

of social justice.

Lets vote for the one that has a "D" behind their name cause that makes all the difference.

[DonViejo]

83. If Clinton wins the Dem nomination, will you be speaking out against her...

in comments here on DU? If so, let me be the first to say, "buh-bye."

For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Oh, one more thing; by refusing to vote, you are actually voting twice; taking away a vote from the Dem candidate and upping the opposition by one.

[Alittleliberal]

88. You don't understand numbers

If candidate A has 12 votes and Candidate B has 11 and I vote for neither how does candidate A get 13 votes?

[DonViejo]

89. I'll pass your comment along to my Profs. Thanks!

[Katashi_itto]

90. Lol...the day she wins the nomination I simply keep quiet until after election. Still won't vote

her. Everyone I know has also thrown in the towel and has no plans on voting either. Might be one big waffle party.

So sad for you. All you get is an echo chamber. You don't get to vote me off the island for TOS violation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

94. Took a poll of close family who, but for 2 in laws, are stanch liberal Dems. 15 of 17 will not vote 4 Hillary if she's the nominee.

[Bobbie Jo]

104. So brave!

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As I said yesterday, have the courage of your convictions and speak up!

Apparently you value your posting privileges more than your "principles" in this matter.

On the other hand, no doubt your voice will be missed.

Good luck with your non-voting waffle party. Honestly, I find the attitude smarmy as hell. Good riddance.

[demwing]

135. Look at you...building bridges!

its adorable!!!

[Bobbie Jo]

136. Awwww but hey

at least he's all about protecting his sacred posting privileges.

Gotta admire that.

[randys1]

86. sigh

The most liberal person I know (although maybe I am not dealing with liberals here at DU who have your position), who was part of SNCC and is a social justice warrior to this day...

Who rails against Obama constantly for being part of the corporate and military complex that runs this country, who rails against the Clinton's for the same reasons, says:

it is important to remember he is a liberal, old school

Anyway, he says, you work AGAINST the system to fix it 24/7, 365 days a year and once every two or four years you take 5 minutes out of your day (if you are white or rich, 8 hours if you are not) and you go and vote for the least amount of harm because while both groups suck, one is WAY worse than the other.


Doesn't matter who said this, you wouldn't know who he was anyway.

I agree with him.

[TeamPooka]

103. The D does make a difference. Without the D in the White house the USA would have invaded three more

countries in the last 8 years with full boots on the ground war.
So if you think there's no difference, you're wrong.
Plain and simple.

[BlueCaliDem]

142. It's like talking to a wall with these wishy-washy Democratic voters, TeamPooka.

The world revolves around them. Their gripes are ALL IMPORTANT, and to hell with civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, voting rights, health care reform, immigration reform, women's reproductive rights...

I've learned it's best not to debate them because they'll never, EVER, admit that we actually do live in a democracy which means, the majority wins no matter how imperfect a Democratic candidate is. They fail to understand that we will NEVER find the "perfect Democrat". EVER. They just don't exist.

I am hoping that a stronger Democratic candidate emerges before the Democratic primaries begin because I'm not the least bit sold on SoS Clinton, but IF she runs and IF she wins the nomination, I refuse to stay home and pout. I will vote for her.

All's I can say is...one Democrat in the White House is better than two Liberals in the bushes.

[treestar]

132. The world has gone crazy

the extremists are the only ones talking.

It's hilarious to me that Obama and Hillary are both Communists and Republicans. It just depends which extremists you are listening to.

[Katashi_itto]

140. So what are 3rd wayers? The voice of reason? (Snicker)

[treestar]

143. The people you label third way are closer to reality

The Republicans think Hillary is a commie. Most of the nation thinks of her as a liberal. If you're so extreme you want to label Hillary conservative, you have a lot of work to do to convince other voters.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

69. Then you'll be exactly half as bad as those who will vote Republican. N.T.

[Katashi_itto]

70. Better that, than spend my vote on a defective product

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[Thinkingabout]

134. Or a non vote on a more defective republican.

[Renew Deal]

115. No, they will be just as bad

[Donald Ian Rankin]

116. That's neither fair nor technically accurate, I think.

[Renew Deal]

114. Lots of people didn't vote for Gore

And then this happened

[Katashi_itto]

118. Lots of people didnt vote for Bush

And then this happened. Try again.

[treestar]

128. No, it's not an echo chamber

Those who were against her will say she is doing everything wrong. You can't oppose her election at that point, but you can find fault with every thing her campaign is doing and pull out your hair that she's going to lose. This is exactly what a lot of her supporters in the primary did during the campaign, along with suggestions that she could have done a better job than Obama in running/winning the election.

[Ykcutnek]

8. They will only serve to keep us hydrated us for 8 years.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. Well it could be like the spectacle after Obama won the nomination in 2008

and we could have a MAJOR DU EVENT, but I rather doubt it.

[randys1]

12. I am wondering about that as well.

It is really rather simple, IF she is the nominee, at that point people have two choices:

1. Support her no matter how hard that might be for some of us

2. Attack her as much or more as one would the con she is running against



If they do #2, I will question their motivation...

[winter is coming]

29. 3. Keep their mouths shut and do what they think is best for the country.

And there's probably a fourth, and fifth, and sixth choice. Binary thinking can lead to false choices and assumptions.

[randys1]

33. I will vote for the person least likely to kill Women

[dissentient]

18. From the tone of some of the hard core supporters, I'd guess the critics will be forced to

not only vote for Hillary, but beg forgiveness, declare their undying love, and contribute at least $1000 (minimum) to her campaign.

But seriously, not sure.

[MoonRiver]

24. Ridiculous

[Maedhros]

37. I plan on self-flagellation myself, to purge the unclean thoughts. [n/t]

[winter is coming]

39. Can we watch?

[tularetom]

19. I don't hate her, but I would prefer someone else be our nominee

And as I have done in 1964, 1968, 1972, 1984, 1988, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2012, I will vote for her as the lesser of two evils.

1976 - voted enthusiastically for Carter

1980 - sat this one out for personal reasons

1992 - voted enthusiastically for Clinton

2008 - voted enthusiastically for Obama

I will bash her only to the extent that my "bashing" remains within the TOS of DU.

[KamaAina]

20. Their heads will explode

[WinkyDink]

21. See: Site Name.

[Rex]

25. Rules on DU state that you cannot endorse anyone but the candidate during election season.

I would guess that also means you cannot bash her too, but could be wrong.

So if they do, no doubt the alert button will be worn out.

[elleng]

26. 'Allowed???'

[arcane1]

28. So, everyone in the 2008 primaries who supported Hillary "hate" Obama?

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Maedhros]

38. For a certain swath of the population, elections and politics are all a matter of personality

and hero worship.

Those folks don't like their heroes besmirched.

[4now]

31. Thinking that she is not qualified for the job is not hate

But the Hillary supporters are very frightened right now.
They remember how she lost a sure thing last time. To an unknown 1st term senator.

[On the Road]

34. What Will Happen to Them?

They will slowly dissolve into a pool of goo.

[Stellar]

35. She is not who I want to be President

...but like I've always said, if she is the last one standing... that's the only way I would vote for her. But if you insist that we MUST hate her too... Can I just hold my nose when I vote for her? At least that would be my true feelings about her. But hate.....not really.

[Duckhunter935]

40. Oklahoma so my vote will

Not be missed. I Do not hate her but some here want to crown her.

[MineralMan]

41. I assume they will be disappointed with

That outcome. Losers are usually disappointed.

[JI7]

43. they will post on du and get a lot of recs

And convince themselves everyone agrees with them

[Ykcutnek]

44. LOL

[Ikonoklast]

45. Easy, I will leave this website. I will never vote for another Clinton.

I will not vote for her if she ran for dogcatcher, let alone president of this nation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

95. Hillary wudnt make a good dogcatcher-look how Bill got away w/ his philandering-but wud make a good President...of Citibank maybe.

[Ramses]

46. No one "hates" Hillary

Tens of millions simply wont vote between two different republicans is she is anointed. Tens of millions of Americans will continue to fall into poverty is Hillary is selected. Just like if Jeb or Cruz is selected. The 1% own the rigged electronic voing machines and really dont care which flavor of right wing republican is selected, Hillary or whoever. Wars will continue. The police state will continue. Millions more will continue into poverty, underemployment either way.

Its ALL good with the 1%$ if Hillary is selected for us.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

117. Even a brief scan of DU will find lots of people who obviously hate Hillary.

I suspect you mean "no-one hates Hillary unjustly" - which I also disagree with, but is not as obviously false as claiming that no-one hates her.

[Vincardog]

48. Please define your terms for me. Do I hate Hillary if I oppose her Corporate favoring policies?

When I object to her funding by Wall Street and Banksters am I "Bashing"?

If she is the nominee do I have to quit opposing the Corporate takeover of America?

[ileus]

51. They will vote for her on the way to the first 50 state win.

[DCBob]

52. They will be rounded up and thrown in detention camps until they come to their senses.

[HappyMe]

53. They will be dragged from their beds

in the middle of the night, and shuttled off the re-education camps until they take a pledgy oath.

[Sienna86]

54. I do not hate anyone.

Just as there are differences between Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush, there are differences in those favored by Democrats. I don't believe Hillary Clinton represents what is best for Americans, especially those in the middle and lower classes. She seems to have lost touch. I hope there are other choices in the primaries. When November comes, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, unless the unfathomable happens and another candidate better represents what I feel is best for America,.

[Kalidurga]

55. I will hold my nose and vote for her.

It doesn't mean I don't like her. There are jobs she excells at if I were to pick someone to speak at my college she would be at the top of the list. If she chose to run for Senator again and I could vote for her I would do that and not even have to hold my nose. But, for leadership for this country I want someone else a Democrat that has a fresher approach to the problems we have as a nation, because it is abundantly clear the old ideas are not working.

[dembotoz]

80. agree with you but i might need 2 hands to hold my nose-maybe a visegrips

will vote dem
always vote dem

working for her will be difficult for me

in the primary i do not see me voting for her
just don't

[Kalidurga]

120. I won't vote for her in the primary either

I will write in a vote if I have to.

[lamp_shade]

56. Perpetual whining. n/t

[Prism]

57. I also worry if it will rain in July 2016

Should I bring my lawn chairs in now?

But seriously, DU needs to freakin pace itself. I'm already sick of hearing about Hillary, and she hasn't even announced yet.

Probably not a good sign.

[tiredtoo]

61. To the best of my ability

I think the only ones that hate Hillary are the hardcore right wingers. I do not like Hillary as a Democratic presidential candidate, too corporatist for me. But if the inevitable comes to be and she is the nominee, I will support her with all my abilities.

[Smarmie Doofus]

63. You mean..... are they ( is she) going to "come after" us? n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

64. I don't think they hate Hillary

I think they are disappointed in her votes/thoughts/opinions on certain policy matters.

Someone posted a 'pledge' yesterday and what I noticed?

Not a single one of my issues that I'm most concerned with was on his/her list. I know that Clinton would support the issues that directly impact me and my nieces, friends, cousins on a day to day basis . . . so I'm good with her.

But when I look at all of the history of votes and leadership and legislation by those dipping their toes in the water - I'm starting to lean towards Webb out of the gate. That doesn't mean I hate Clinton or Warren or Sanders -

Just means there is someone who I know where he stands, how he has voted and I could give one good god damn about his personal life . . .

Regardless - I will be voting D in 2016 and that's that. I would hope everyone at Democratic Underground would realize there is no such thing as a flawless candidate but putting someone in the White House who clings to a flag, guns, and god will set the entire country back 50 or 60 years.

The field on the right? That's what you are going to get. A racist, homophobic, Jesus Juiced up woman hating piece of shit used car salesman.

[LWolf]

65. Who hates HRC?

I'm sure there are some out there, but they aren't her critics at DU.

I assume you are asking about DU, because of course, out in the real world, during a campaign, those who are opposed to a candidate are going to "bash" that candidate.

Here at DU, it is assumed that candidates are open season during primaries, but after the convention DUers will get in line behind the nominee and support him. Or her.

At the least, DUers will not be criticizing the nominated candidate here on DU. Those that choose to do so anyway would probably be relative newbies, since DUers who have been here for a presidential campaign before know this. There might be a warning, or they might be tombstoned, or whatever DU calls that action these days, or both.

[L0oniX]

72. A lot of good DU members will go silent and or be banned.

[closeupready]

81. Yes. Probably me, too, though I'd still say at this point I'll vote for her if she's the nominee.

But the more I learn about her, the more I waver on that.

[MineralMan]

74. Sure. We have free speech in the US. They can join the Republicans

in trashing her. They'll have plenty of company. There's no law against campaigning against canididates.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

77. Free Speech in America, not free speech on DU.

Privately owned website, remember. If/when she is chosen as the candidate, my understanding of site rules is that those of us who aren't HRC fans have to basically shut up about her shortcomings until after the general election.

[MineralMan]

79. I don't own DU. You'll have to talk with those who do.

If she is the nominee, why would you try to keep her from being elected? Will the Republican candidate be a better choice?

Anyhow, I have nothing to do with setting DU rules.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

85. If she is the nominee, I'll probably vote for my own party's candidate.

Dunno if they'll run Stewart Alexander again or someone else. But I'll keep my mouth shut about her on DU until after the Nov 2016 election.

[MineralMan]

87. It's your choice.

Make it wisely. That's my advice.

[salin]

75. most will fall in line... those who don't will probably move to snark rather than snipe.... ala

the PUMAs in 2008. The infighting lessened - but the snark from the most hard-core Hillary supporters - continued. I think that damage that occurs during bitterly contested primaries - is that feelings get hurt (watched this dynamic in the 2004 primaries between hard core supporters of: Dean, Clark, Kucinich, and Kerry). Most came around to support Kerry, but - snark entered in. It often appeared it was more personal than partisan and more in reaction to particular Kerry supporters (who had been pretty strong on Offense as well as Defense during the primaries).

Given this cycle happened in both of the open Primaries that have been held since DU was founded, I imagine this will be the cycle this time as well.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

76. Should she not be held accountable?

[cyberswede]

82. What do you want to happen?

See the Terms of service.

[hughee99]

84. Perhaps they'll go "PUMA". Wouldn't that be ironic. n/t

[randome]

91. They will start a 'Bash Hillary' Activism forum. You know, like with OWS.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[Fumesucker]

93. They will eventually be proven correct, Hillary will do little to nothing for our economic woes

Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.

[NCTraveler]

97. They will keep hating.

To be fair, Obama takes a lot of hate here and he is the sitting President. Every past democrat takes heat here. Being elected doesn't stop that. There is also a big difference between hate and opposition to policy. There are some people here who clearly hate Obama and Hillary. There posts are pretty clear. There is also a group here who truly dislike their policies and bring them forward in honest for discussion. Those, in my opinion, are the most important debates we can have here. Yet if one is a part of one of the two small Hillary or Obama can do no wrong groups they even label those discussions as hate. No matter what some are not going to be happy with the direction of conversation.

[TM99]

100. Hate is such a loaded word

but you know that or you wouldn't have used it.

Personally, I will either keep silent here until after the election or just not be here at all during that time-frame. I will not vote for her. She can do nothing to earn my vote at this point. I am not required to vote for her. No one can shame me into voting for her with 'lesser of two evil' bullshit.

I will return to DU after the election and her loss to whomever the Republican party selects as the winner. Then like other economic progressive leaning Independents, I will watch DU's collective denial just like I did last fall when the Republican party beat the living shit out of the Republican Lite party - oops I mean the Democratic party.

Perhaps I can predict that DU might just might return to its beginnings when G.W. Bush was selected and strong opposition founded on a FDR style platform was stronger than it certainly is today. But I doubt that as FDR just doesn't fit the ideals of the modern internet SJW.

[lumberjack_jeff]

102. I guess the admins will have to add an asterisk to the TOS.

...*unless you're complaining about HRC.

From the sound of things, you'd think she's the only sell-out in the Democratic party.

I think there's a double standard WRG Hillary: The vapid bromide (and prevailing sentiment) is "Elect women because they're way better! Imagine! No wars and no corruption! Only social justice!"

When the first woman successful enough to actually win proves how wrong the stereotype is, prevailing sentiment shifts fully into "no true Scotsman" mode.

I want a good progressive with a decent chance of winning to get the nomination. Failing that, I want the nominee, whomever it is, elected.

[cyberswede]

105. With whom is that a "prevailing sentiment?"

I'm pretty sure the people I know got over that notion back in high school.

[lumberjack_jeff]

124. The people in question should have abandoned a great many similar notions in high school

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002626863

[Blue_In_AK]

106. I don't think anyone here "hates" Hillary.

Many of us would just prefer someone else.

[Comrade Grumpy]

107. I'll be voting third party. But I won't proselytize.

[AtomicKitten]

108. "If" is the operative word in the OP.

We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

[Fumesucker]

109. If Hillary wins the election four years later they'll be proven right, no economic progress for 99%

[Baitball Blogger]

110. I would rather see more productive methods.

Support her social program efforts, but keep an eye on the money trail that creates problems for everyone.

I don't think she's going to have much of a honeymoon, I'm sorry to say.

[One_Life_To_Give]

113. Past Years Skinner made it clear once the primary was settled.

Once the nominee was confirmed, criticism that sounded at all like it was endorsing the Repug earned the offender a pizza. At that time everyone is expected to if not support, do nothing that would hinder ensuring a Dem wins the Election.

[MADem]

122. The TOS still says pretty much that...!

Vote for Democrats.
Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

[Savannahmann]

119. I think a better question is this.

What has happened to the Democratic Party if Hillary is allowed to be nominated? How far we have fallen from the giants of our party. Truman, FDR. and JFK. Giants who towered over us mere mortals with their wisdom, their genius.

Truman, who stepped into shoes he wasn't ready for. Who made the wisest call I can imagine by deciding that only a President may release Nuclear Weapons, thus taking them out of the hands of the Generals. Truman who integrated the Military.

FDR who forged an international alliance to fight Fascism. FDR who inspired a nation and led us through the darkest days of the war. FDR who created a social safety net that was the envy of the world. FDR who managed to appear confident, even jaunty while in all essence, paralyzed and suffering from the ravages of Polio. FDR who put the Second World War into the ideal of Principles, and gave us the Four Freedoms.

JFK who stood against the Generals who wanted to invade Cuba at any cost. JFK who inspired a nation to reach for the Moon. JFK who asked us to think about what we could do for our Country. How can we help our nation achieve more?

How can a Party who elected Giants in the last century look to Hillary and say batter up? Because we all know, she won't step into the shoes like Truman. She won't inspire like FDR, or JFK. She won't dare to dream. And if we're asked to sacrifice, it won't be for the common good, it will be for the good of the moneyed who bought and paid for her Oval Office. We won't reach for the Moon under Hillary unless we find that there is Platinum hidden there in large quantities. Then when Berkshire Hathaway has a railroad that reaches to Tranquility Base, then we'll plan on going to the moon. Providing that Goldman Sachs has their cut of the pie.

So the question is, will the Democratic Party survive if Hillary is nominated? Or will it be the final nail in the coffin?

[William769]

121. This.

[McCamy Taylor]

123. We will see who are real Dems and who were faux Dems. Real Dems get behind the nominee.

Faux Dems become "PUMAs" or whatever the equivalent will be this year.

[treestar]

126. Not until after the inauguration

And then it could continue apace.

[PeteSelman]

127. The same thing that happens to those who love her.

We're all screwed.

[joshcryer]

133. Yes, if 2012 is any indication.

But they'll stop short of "non vote advocacy" even though they have stated such before, they will get a pass.

[malokvale77]

137. I'm going to answer to this...

not because I hate Hillary, but because I don't like her political views. I think she is good on women's issues.

The rest of her views suck.

I will bash her, just not on DU. In case anyone forgets, the TOS on DU, does mention electing more 'liberals'. Hillary does not lean liberal. She is barely center.

[DonCoquixote]

139. answer

We vote AGAINST Jeb, then the second after she wins, we pressure her to turn right. There was no Honeymoon given to Obama by the PUMAS, so there will be none for her, and we already start planning the 2020 primary challenger.

NO QUARTER! We know the Democratic Lame Center will try to get rid of us, so we start the fight from the first second, and make it damned clear that we will drag this entire nation, kicking, scremaing and bleeding, back to the sort of policy that would have been considered moderate GOP before Ronnie Ray Gun, and we make it clear to Hillary that if she thinks her rich friends will keep her safe from our anger, we will GLADLY prove her wrong!