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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAirlines Consider Requiring Proof Of Vaccination For Domestic Air Travel
http://yournewswire.com/airlines-consider-requiring-proof-of-vaccination-for-domestic-air-travel/The FAA source, speaking on condition of anonymity explains that many of the airlines have, had it with the anti-vaccination arguments and dont want to be left with the guilt and partial responsibility when a preventable disease spreads by way of air travel. It is assumed that a valid vaccination record will be required upon check in before travelers embark on their journey. Itll add another step to the flight process, but the airlines, so far, are willing to absorb any costs associated with it, said the FAA source. It is not expected to impact the already beleaguered Transportation Security Administration as this would be an elective requirement and not a federally mandated change.
The 2014 2015 U.S. measles outbreak spread to seven states and is widely believed to have been tied to vacationers at the Disneyland amusement park in Anaheim, California. Many speculate the spread of the disease outside of California was exacerbated due to vacationing families traveling by air. By requiring a valid vaccination record, the airlines would hope to minimize the wanton spread of infectious disease by keeping potential disease carrying individuals off all flights originating and terminating in the United States.
The airlines are using the term at risk individual up to this point to describe who they are targeting, explains the FAA source. I take that to mean individuals who are unvaccinated themselves or those who refuse to vaccinate their children. They (the airlines) realize this is a hot button issue at the moment, however, they allegedly feel this is the only way they can do their part to help keep their customers and employees safe and healthy. One higher up with a major carrier said something to the effect of this is the responsible thing to do.
Um, where would we get this proof?
meow2u3
(24,772 posts)I knew I had my shots, but my mom passed away and my sister has our vital statistics, including immunization records. Only trouble: she forgot where she put them.
Couldn't airlines presume older adults are immunized and limit the travel ban to children whose parents can't prove they had their kids' vaccinated?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I doubt that the little card I keep in the envelope with my birth certificate and such would pass muster. And most people don't even have that.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Time for catch-up, or not.
Travel immunizations not included on that chart, incidentally. RECOMMENDED: http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/list
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)DRAFT: National Adult Immunization Plan
National Vaccine Program Office
February 5, 2015
via https://twitter.com/ShamrockTMR/status/567870021642379264
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)had the actual illnesses.
Beyond that birthdate, people might be required to get boosters or to take blood tests showing immunity.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)The reason that sticks with me is I read up on it recently; my husband was born in 1966 so we discussed it.
He went to NO 2 weeks after Katrina and led a team that restored 911 service to the city within a week (yeah, I'm bragging) and right before he went he got every vaccine possible including the MMR, so he's covered.
I was born in 1970 so I'm good. I get my physical next month so will ask my dr to make sure.
Keep up on tetanus shots too!
And Gardasil for your pre-teens! Oral cancer is rampant and a killer!
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)You can request this from your PCP. Lab will draw three vials of blood. Piece of cake.
Retrograde
(10,156 posts)we suffered through the diseases instead. I have only my mother's word that I had rubella as a tot, although I do remember measles and chicken pox.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)(because older adults almost always had the actual illnesses) would have to have boosters of vaccines for which they have no recent records.
It might be like traveling internationally, though with fewer required vaccines.
uppityperson
(115,679 posts)They would have to clarify "proof" and what ages. Little kids would be much more likely to have proof, but even at that.....?
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)This would just change the recommendation to a requirement.
(One proof is having been born before a certain date because most adults born before that date had the actual illnesses. Another proof is a blood test that shows immunity.)
uppityperson
(115,679 posts)a 24% vx exemption rate at our grade school which is appalling.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)uppityperson
(115,679 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Last week on our local news our county's rate was 1%....due to religious reasons, illegal immigrants and woo.
I believe in that order but not certain.
That's crazy!!!!
treestar
(82,383 posts)It wouldn't have stopped the Ebola passengers.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ret5hd
(20,518 posts)TREESTAR mighta got the IBOLA!!!!
treestar
(82,383 posts)What a nasty post.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)or alien abduction.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I guess you didn't get that.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)If your vaccines were decades ago, that probably isn't the worst idea out there anyway, even if you aren't flying. I'm thinking about it.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)You're not in an HMO whose only local location is ten miles south of town!
edit: It's actually farther away than the airport!
REP
(21,691 posts)I don't want to get sick with something preventable.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Not me.
REP
(21,691 posts)As far as I know, busses run to all Kaiser locations.
I took public transport for years until I became too disabled for that to be an option.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The city is San Jose.
Have you looked into paratransit? Transit agencies are required to operate accessible service for those who, like you, are "too disabled for that to be an option.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Going ten whole miles away shouldn't sound like Oregon Trail. Have you considered getting a car?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Actually, I have an Autistic friend who does drive. You may want to avoid 101 around Sunnyvale.
edit: And as to Oregon Trail , Portland has better transit than San Jose, altohugh my Autistic friend up there -- you guessed it -- complains about it constantly.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)My autistic neighbor recently got his license (he's about 40 I'd guess?) and he drives like an old man (daylight hours, light traffic, a little too slowly) but he had to make himself do it because his father couldn't drive anymore, and transit here is a bad joke.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)No way could I prove my immunizations.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Adults
People who are born during or after 1957 who do not have evidence of immunity against measles should get at least one dose of MMR vaccine.
SNIP
Teenagers and adults born during or after 1957 without evidence of immunity against measles should have documentation of two doses of MMR vaccine, with the second dose administered no earlier than 28 days after the first dose.
SNIP
Evidence of Immunity
You are considered protected from measles if you have at least one of the following:
written documentation of adequate vaccination:
one or more doses of a measles-containing vaccine administered on or after the first birthday for preschool-age children and adults not at high risk
two doses of measles-containing vaccine for school-age children and adults at high risk, including college students, healthcare personnel, and international travelers
laboratory evidence of immunity
laboratory confirmation of measles
birth in the United States before 1957
Healthcare providers should not accept verbal reports of vaccination without written documentation as presumptive evidence of immunity. For additional details about evidence of immunity criteria, see Table 3 in Prevention of Measles, Rubella, Congenital Rubella Syndrome, and Mumps, 2013: Summary Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)If someone who isn't vaccinated gets infected on a plane, or anywhere for that matter, it's their own (or their parents') damn fault!
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)be able to fly till then?
That will disappoint a lot of grandparents . . . .
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The horror! The horror!
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)People who cannot be vaccinated for other medical reasons.
That's 2 reasons
The article provided others.
REP
(21,691 posts)Measles could kill me; I am immunocompromised. I am getting my titres checked.
Grammy23
(5,813 posts)If you got your shots at the Board of Health, you got a card that listed when you got them. You had a copy to keep in your wallet or with your important papers, such as your birth certificate. My son, born in 1969, had a similar card that they gave me when he had his first baby inoculations.
Now when you get flu shots, whooping cough vaccine, pneumonia, shingles shot etc, you may not get all of them in the same place. Many pharmacies offer them, as well as the board of health or your primary care physician. There should be some way with the technology we have today to be able to link these records so no matter where you get the shots/vaccines, the information is held in one record that you could access online to get an Up to date record of your shots to use for just such a thing as travel or enrollment in school. Electronic medical records ought to be able to solve the problem. Guess we will have to wait and see how this turns out.
On edit: I agree that this will not solve the problem of us geezers who are clueless about which shots we got and even which illnesses we had. My husband does not remember having chicken pox and his Mom is no help. She can't remember if he did or didn't have that. Maybe a simple blood test could be developed or is already available to answer those questions.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)...ask for the vaccine. And the shingles vaccine, to cover all the bases!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I went back to college in the 90s and they had the same policy. We either had the diseases themselves, or any vaccination records (DPT, Polio, Smallpox) are long gone and our pediatricians are long dead.
However, if this also requires things like Flu shots, that is going to be a problem and not only for Seniors. Less than half the adult population gets Flu Shots.
Besides, even my own 30 something children don't have their vaccination records. I have no idea what happened to them. We/they moved a lot over the years.
Edit: The CDC recommends that chicken pox vaccination for anyone born 1984 and later. Special cases? My younger daughter born in 1984 HAD chicken pox when her older sister caught it. Imagine the nightmare proving you had some diseases and vaccinations for others?
Sorry, but this is simply not one size fits all. Airlines now have to play doctor too? Isn't all this terrorist crap ENOUGH? Twice now I have been pulled aside and my hands and clothes had been tested for explosives residue.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)because the vaccination schedule in effect when they were younger often did not provide full immunity.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I had a booster. I've had the Dtap one again too.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)that is, in more reputable sources than obscure internet blogs - and could find only a few repeats of the above article, word for word, in a couple of right-wing publications. There is nothing at all on the FAA's web site; if they were going to do such a thing (which I doubt very much, given the fact that in many cases it would be impossible for passengers to produce proof), they would have to publish a notice of proposed rulemaking, and the public would be allowed to comment. The only thing I could find that's even remotely related is a publication relating to bloodborne pathogen training and certain inoculations for some FAA employees, mainly those that handle accident investigation. So I am pretty sure this is something ginned up in the mind of some right-wing tool who is looking for more "proof" of government over-regulation.
On second reading I see that this "article" claims it's the airlines that want to do this, but that's just as unlikely. If Airline A starts to require vaccination records they will quickly lose passengers to Airline B. So it won't happen unless all the airlines do it, and I don't see that happening. Airlines operate on a very slim profit margin already, and the last thing any of them want is to add another expense and another procedure that will piss off passengers even more than they are already.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)nadinbrzezinski, to be precise: I ripped this down from her FB page. She thinks that HIPAA compliance concerns will sink it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)ret5hd
(20,518 posts)but you did nothing to boost my confidence.
If ya' know what I'm sayin'.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)The papers and not the same minimum wage lackey who is probing my ass for explosives.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)...could it be to get the same from your family doc for the humans?
If the anti-vax idiots hadn't done this to society at large, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. What a nuisance.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)We ended up leaving her at home, but I believe Canada wanted her papers.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)And the airline wanted a health certificate for the cat. Not sure if vaccines were required (he was a 3 month old kitten at the time) but he had to go to the vet before boarding the plane.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)My sons got all their vaccinations, but I will confess to not being all that careful about keeping a record of them, and I haven't a clue where I could lay my hands on them. I do recall just filling in somewhat random dates the times a school or camp wanted to know.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Glad I don't fly anymore.
I've been vaccinated against smallpox, measles, mumps, polio...and who knows what else I got in the 60's - then in the Air Force.
I've had chicken pox and rubella. My friends and sister had measles and mumps BEFORE I got the vaccines. I did not catch either.
But I've got proof of none of these. Way too long ago.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I don't have a doctor. But every time I find myself either going to the 3d world or get in the doctors office by misadventure I get the full spectrum.
The records clerks at every primary care practice will go nuts.
But, it may work out. And keep the antivax nutters in California.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)There are a whole bunch of them in Oregon, too. And at least one pocket of them in Michigan.
handmade34
(22,757 posts)2nd highest rate of exemptions in the Nation
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I certainly don't need a vaccination.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)that had all my immunizations noted going back 40 or 50 years. I think I first got it when I was in the military. The last time I remember seeing it was when we took a cruise in the Med back in 2008. I have no idea what happened to it or where it is. The last half dozen or so trips to Europe I took in 2009-2010 I don't remember having or needing it.
Just another excuse not to fly anymore as far as I am concerned.
Ramses
(721 posts)Fuck the airlines for all I care. Another attempt at complete control. America is a Fascist state. It just is as simple as that
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)The quotes from the FAA source seem very fake.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Than profit.
I call bullshit.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It would cost the airlines too much business. They want to sell tickets, not prevent people from flying.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Through their analysis and discussion, NVPO identified four major goals:
Goal 2: Improve access to adult vaccines
Goal 3: Increase community demand for adult immunizations
Goal 4: Foster innovation in adult vaccine development and vaccination related technologies...
Examples of potential responders include, but are not limited to, the following:
general public;
advocacy groups, non-profit organizations, and public interest organizations;
academics, professional societies, and healthcare organizations;
public health officials and immunization program managers;
provider groups including all physician and non-physician providers that administer immunization services to adults, including pharmacists; and
representatives from the private sector.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)The article at your source is made up out of whole cloth. There's nothing anywhere else that even suggests this is going to happen. You've been duped by an unreliable source. Best thing would be to self-delete this until you can find the information at some reliable news outlet. This one is neither reliable or news. It's just another one-person blog.
Fact-free speculations by bloggers don't deserve posting on DU without confirmation from reliable sources.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Before You Travel
To help ensure that your flight with Emirates is as safe and comfortable as possible, please review the information below for passengers and medical practitioners.
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Immunisations
...Remember to bring a copy of your vaccination records on your trip.
Traveler's Medical Kit
The following is a list of handy medical items to consider carrying with you on your travels. You can individualize this list based on your itinerary, your planned activities, and your medical history. Ready-made kits are also available from pharmacies and travel clinics.
- Your regular medications (Remember, any medications carried overseas should be accompanied by a covering letter from a medical practitioner)
- Vaccination certificate
- More
Pets, not people, are another story (2013): http://www.dogjaunt.com/posts/u-s-airlines-requirements-for-health-certificates/
More on the national adult immunization plan: http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-unveils-comprehensive-new-adult-vaccination-plan
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)article. I call bogus on the entire thing. Most adults have no vaccination records, anyhow. The airlines aren't about to attempt to implement this. It's bullcrap.
You should self-delete this OP.