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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:26 PM Feb 2015

Suppose it cannot be repaired??

When our country invaded Iraq, we did more than capture and kill Saddam Hussein. We dissolved their standing army. Who knows where they went or what became of them? Maybe they are now a big part of the present terrorist group, ISIS?

When we broke the structure that was set up in Iraq, with the dictator, Saddam, we created untold enemies and started a destructive process that is going on today.

Most of the poorer Muslim countries were affected more dramatically than some of the wealthier emirates. They were caught up in Al Qaeda in Iraq or the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and other places and their structures were overthrown and/or their leaders were killed or imprisoned.

Some have called it the "original sin". The invasion of Iraq let loose chaos and revolution upon that area of the world. We are now reaping what we sowed in 2001-2003. There is no easy fix. Perhaps, there is no fix?

If we need to assign blame, George W Bush and Dick Cheney are at the front of the line. You don't hear many solutions from them lately. They see the flames and smell the smoke of their actions, but they remain silent.

We broke it and nobody knows how to put it back together. It is our inheritance.

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Suppose it cannot be repaired?? (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2015 OP
As long as we can still blow up shit, Cheney and Bush* will be delighted.. Bandit Feb 2015 #1
Amen. kentuck Feb 2015 #2
Germany and Japan survived seveneyes Feb 2015 #3
US taxpayers spent a lot of wealth to rebuild Japan and Germany. I don't think we can afford to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #19
It cannot be "repaired." H2O Man Feb 2015 #4
Thanks for adding that perspective, H2O Man.. kentuck Feb 2015 #24
It was a naive assumption by right wing hypocrites jimlup Feb 2015 #5
That whole cadre, including Condi. should have been hifiguy Feb 2015 #7
Abso-fucking-lutely. JEB Feb 2015 #22
i truly do not remember anyone asking bush, cheney, rumsfeld what their end game was? spanone Feb 2015 #6
I blame the media and Bush/Cheney, 50-50 partnership. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #8
Bartcop used to say it was extracting Oil AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2015 #10
Not only monetary expense. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #16
Stepping on ant piles. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #9
Because of Iraq and the long-term consequences, I No Vested Interest Feb 2015 #11
PNAC...endless wars and Wall Street, D.C., The M$M all were accomplices. They LOVED it! Rex Feb 2015 #12
The US Military is certainly no solution. bvar22 Feb 2015 #13
When the US military bombed the daylights out of Kaho'olawe, the water table broke. mahina Feb 2015 #14
"It is our inheritance" < Our gift to future generations. Our grandparents and parents sacrificed to jtuck004 Feb 2015 #15
I remember somebody saying we were about to open the gates of hell G_j Feb 2015 #17
There is only one solution genxlib Feb 2015 #18
It is our inheritance squandered. hay rick Feb 2015 #20
I think we can all agree that it was a huge disaster. All responsible should be held accountable. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #21
Is it bad that I intially thought that this topic was about America's current political situation? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #23
I wonder every day if those idiots cwydro Feb 2015 #25
Yes. elleng Feb 2015 #26
"We" cannot repair it. herding cats Feb 2015 #27

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
1. As long as we can still blow up shit, Cheney and Bush* will be delighted..
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:47 PM
Feb 2015

For every bomb we drop ten more will need to be made, every bullet fired means ten more will be made. The Military Industrial Complex will continue to get stinking rich as will all Republican Congress critters who go to bat for them..What is so hard to understand.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
3. Germany and Japan survived
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:55 PM
Feb 2015

Perhaps Iraq will too. Different wars, different reasons, still dealing with human nature.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. US taxpayers spent a lot of wealth to rebuild Japan and Germany. I don't think we can afford to
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:32 PM
Feb 2015

fix Iraq.

H2O Man

(73,605 posts)
4. It cannot be "repaired."
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 07:19 PM
Feb 2015

The "State of Iraq" was a British creation after WW!. It's purpose was to divide three distinct groups of people, to make it so they could not unite to resist having the British access their natural resources. It eventually became recognized as a "nation," but continued to be exploited.

Sadam was able to maintain the nation/state, by allowing foreign exploitation to distract the population from his growing fortune. To whatever extent Iraqi people opposed him, he relied upon brute force to maintain his position.

The chances of the US being able to install a brutal dictator -- one that is the immoral equivalent of the Shah of Iran, for example -- who can bring about order is about as likely as the Pope becoming the next heavyweight champion of the world.

Bush-Cheney unleashed a force that no American can control.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
5. It was a naive assumption by right wing hypocrites
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 07:42 PM
Feb 2015

that would could control it. As we see - we clearly can not. Pandora's box has been opened. Sure Saddam Hussien was a demon. A demon who was the keeper of gates of hell ...

I suspect that a stable situation will again be reached but it may take a very long time. That Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and others are not on trial for initiating this regional catastrophy beats me!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. That whole cadre, including Condi. should have been
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 07:48 PM
Feb 2015

tried, convicted and hanged for waging aggressive war and crimes against humanity at least five years ago.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
22. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:45 AM
Feb 2015

The only true way forward. Anything less keeps mired in their shit pile.

spanone

(135,874 posts)
6. i truly do not remember anyone asking bush, cheney, rumsfeld what their end game was?
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 07:46 PM
Feb 2015

our media had no curiosity.

simple questions...how does this play out?

we are not even reminded of why the mid-east is in such turmoil....


AngryDem001

(684 posts)
16. Not only monetary expense.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:16 PM
Feb 2015

How many families got to hear the news that their father, mother, brother, sister, cousin, niece, nephew were blown to bits in this "liberation" of Iraq?

prayin4rain

(2,065 posts)
9. Stepping on ant piles.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:13 PM
Feb 2015

I think instability was the goal. They did not want that region to continue to grow in organization. Any region that opposes us ideologically that is within a decade or so of gaining enough strength to oppose us, has to be de-organized to eliminate the future threat. I think in their mind, any lives that are lost in the de-organization are less in number and are worth less than the lives that would be lost if they let the region continue to grow and eventually organize themselves into a real threat against us.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
11. Because of Iraq and the long-term consequences, I
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:20 PM
Feb 2015

have no respect for the political judgment of those who voted - once or twice- for Bush/Cheney.

I have even less respect for them as time goes on, as many disavow the Bush presidency, in that not only do they not acknowledge their part in voting for these miscreants, but they do not step up to the plate and take responsibility for the huge debt placed upon the American people - their countrymen- far into the future.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. PNAC...endless wars and Wall Street, D.C., The M$M all were accomplices. They LOVED it!
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:25 PM
Feb 2015

The Project for a New American Century was established by paleo-con icons. Here let us take a look back at why Iraq is now an unstable hellhole for 25 million citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

"The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. established in 1997 as a non-profit educational organization founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal is "to promote American global leadership."[1] Fundamental to the PNAC was the view that "American leadership is good both for America and for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."[2][3] With its members in numerous key administrative positions, the PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.[4][5]"

The signatories are the very people that destroyed our goodwill with the world after 9/11. The very people that created the hellhole that is Iraq. Just THINK about it, it was a hellhole BEFORE with Saddam killing his own people whenever he wanted to.

Now, what is worse then hell?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
13. The US Military is certainly no solution.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:26 PM
Feb 2015

They are trained to break things and kill people,
not rebuild countries.

mahina

(17,697 posts)
14. When the US military bombed the daylights out of Kaho'olawe, the water table broke.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:45 PM
Feb 2015

Geologically, the island can't hold water as islands do.

Some important things, once destroyed, can't be fixed.

At least no people were killed, directly, on Kaho'olawe, but a future was.

Peace to Iraq.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. "It is our inheritance" < Our gift to future generations. Our grandparents and parents sacrificed to
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 08:47 PM
Feb 2015

build the country, we came along and put ourselves in bondage to the bank$ters to buy new kitchens and lazyboys, and will leave that debt for future generations.

The spirit that built this country is dead, and if all we accept are the choices we see now, including the most progressive and regressive of candidates, it will simply continue downhill.



G_j

(40,370 posts)
17. I remember somebody saying we were about to open the gates of hell
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:25 PM
Feb 2015

and I had same the horrible feeling. They knew it too.

genxlib

(5,535 posts)
18. There is only one solution
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:28 PM
Feb 2015

Whenever someone asks me what we should do in Iraq I say we should invent a time machine, go back and not invade.

It has as good a chance for success as anything else. Which is effectively none.

hay rick

(7,640 posts)
20. It is our inheritance squandered.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:33 PM
Feb 2015

Imagine if all the money spent on this treasonous military misadventure had been spent constructively on housing, health care, education, infrastructure, renewable energy, and basic research. We are a leaving the next generation with a society that is poorer in many ways than we could or should have. The main value of the Iraq invasion for future generations is as an object lesson and a cautionary tale.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. I think we can all agree that it was a huge disaster. All responsible should be held accountable.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:37 PM
Feb 2015

But we have one of those persons running for President. Apparently some are willing to forgive and forget because she is a Democrat.

herding cats

(19,567 posts)
27. "We" cannot repair it.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 02:34 AM
Feb 2015

Yes, we were the I final ones who broke it. Still, considering everything, we cannot fix the situation. We're the last, or close to the last, people who will be welcome to apply our form of remedy. We destabilized the region, we're not welcome beyond what militaristic help we can give, which does nothing but further destabilize the region.

We broke it. History will deal harshly with us for our actions. Anything else is fantasy.

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