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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 06:40 PM Feb 2015

Mark Twain quote on Abraham Lincoln...

"It was no accident that planted Lincoln on a Kentucky farm, half way between the lakes and the Gulf. The association there had substance in it. Lincoln belonged just where he was put. If the Union was to be saved, it had to be a man of such an origin that should save it. No wintry New England Brahmin could have done it, or any torrid cotton planter, regarding the distant Yankee as a species of obnoxious foreigner. It needed a man of the border, where civil war meant the grapple of brother and brother and disunion a raw and gaping wound. It needed one who knew slavery not from books only, but as a living thing, knew the good that was mixed with its evil, and knew the evil not merely as it affected the negroes, but in its hardly less baneful influence upon the poor whites. It needed one who knew how human all the parties to the quarrel were, how much alike they were at bottom, who saw them all reflected in himself, and felt their dissensions like the tearing apart of his own soul. When the war came Georgia sent an army in gray and Massachusetts an army in blue, but Kentucky raised armies for both sides. And this man, sprung from Southern poor whites, born on a Kentucky farm and transplanted to an Illinois village, this man, in whose heart knowledge and charity had left no room for malice, was marked by Providence as the one to 'bind up the Nation's wounds.'"
- quoted in New York Times, January 13, 1907

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Mark Twain quote on Abraham Lincoln... (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2015 OP
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #1
What WillyT said Martin Eden Feb 2015 #2
Amazing underpants Feb 2015 #3
Sheer poetry. Thanks for posting this, kentuck! calimary Feb 2015 #4
K&R! marym625 Feb 2015 #5
Splendid! Demeter Feb 2015 #6
Thanks much. I never thought of this, Twain was right & wrote of it beautifully. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #7
and contemporary similarities NBachers Feb 2015 #8
It is something I have thought of in the past... kentuck Feb 2015 #9
I'm not sure I like this piece. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #10
I agree with your assessment, but still admire the piece given its historical context jmondine Feb 2015 #12
True enough, and you are right. Thanks. nt F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #13
That Mark Twain guy writes really good. He should write a book. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #11
Yeah! Then he could build a nice house in Hartford. KamaAina Feb 2015 #14
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. Splendid!
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 09:23 PM
Feb 2015

This quotation reflects well upon all involved: Lincoln, Mark Twain, NYT, even you, kentuck!

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
9. It is something I have thought of in the past...
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:58 AM
Feb 2015

...but I had not seen it in writing until this quote by Mark Twain. A very original perspective.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
10. I'm not sure I like this piece.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015
It needed one who knew slavery not from books only, but as a living thing, knew the good that was mixed with its evil, and knew the evil not merely as it affected the negroes, but in its hardly less baneful influence upon the poor whites.

Slavery has no good. What little can be found in it comes from small acts among many people that managed to preserve their dignity and humanity despite the crushing weight of a system that allows for the ownership of another human being. Slavery also had profoundly worse effects on black lives than white; to say its influence was "hardly less baneful" is beyond just wrong, and moves into the territory of racially-tinged historical revisionism.

There is also far too much god in this for my liking. Lincoln was not set somewhere by providence to heal the nation; he was no angel. He was born in Kentucky by accident, and had the fortuitous circumstances to do what he did. He was an incredible man who had the moral courage to do what was right. It degrades his character and his accomplishments to say that it was divine providence that it occurred; no, it was his strength that led him to do what he did. (Not to mention that the idea that Lincoln was set there to heal the nation necessarily implies that that same god that did that also caused slavery to exist in the first place, but whatever.)

jmondine

(1,649 posts)
12. I agree with your assessment, but still admire the piece given its historical context
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:18 PM
Feb 2015

In 1907, anything other than a racially tinged historical perspective and Christian language to describe extraordinarily good luck would have been far more radical than it would be today.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. Yeah! Then he could build a nice house in Hartford.
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 07:48 PM
Feb 2015


An obligatory field trip for all Connecticut schoolchildren, even those of us from the far reaches of the state. Bonus: The Harriet Beecher Stowe House is next door.
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