Women and Girls. This!

[sheshe2]

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https://www.facebook.com/wearewoman.us/photos/a.206713432765867.36890.198877043549506/645247855579087/?type=1&theater

[Triana]

1. BINGO! n/t

[sheshe2]

25. Yup!

[sunnystarr]

2. SIGH ... (nt)

[William769]

3. Kick & highly recommended.

As a side note Hillary has been a champion for women!

[sheshe2]

5. I know that, William.

UN chief: Hillary Clinton is a champion for women

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is calling former U.S. secretary of state Hillary Clinton a "champion of women's rights and girl's rights" and says she will play an important role in next year's 20th anniversary celebration of the U.N. women's conference in Beijing.

The U.N. chief recalled Clinton's "critical role" at the 1995 Beijing conference, where she galvanized the world's women with her demand for equality.

snip

"But still too many women face far too much discrimination and violence," Ban said.

Thank you.

[William769]

6. Agreed.

I also believe that Hillary gets dragged through the mud for putting Women's rights front & center.

I am not trying yo hijack your thread, just trying to the the importance Hillary can make with change for the betterment of all women.

[sheshe2]

7. You are not hijacking my thread in the least, William.

Hillary is a strong supporter of women and girls, that is important to me. She was not my first choice in 2008, yet I respect her, if she runs...I sure as hell will be voting for her.

Hillary would be dragged through the mud for waking up breathing, just like Obama.What is it about Democrats that Du has such an issue with?

We women matter too, yes we do. I want a candidate that recognizes that.

[quakerboy]

13. Please elaborate

I have never been aware of Hillary as a champion of women's rights, except passively in that she is a woman in high position. That so, Ive not known of her being "dragged through the mud" for it. I would like to know more about her efforts in this area, and more about attacks on her based on this.

[ND-Dem]

15. +100

[sheshe2]

26. My response to the poster you +100

Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231369#post20

[WhiteTara]

47. Thanks sheshe2. I was going to research some

of the things Hillary has done for women and women's rights. I'm looking forward to a woman in the Oval Office.

[sheshe2]

20. You are a man correct? I am a woman and I get it.....

You need to become more aware.

I quote you here...

I have never been aware of Hillary as a champion of women's rights, except passively in that she is a woman in high position.

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton has put the rights of women and girls front and center in the State Department policies and programs; she will truly be missed! Much has been made of her unique partnership with President Obama, but we think it’s worth taking a few minutes to talk about her legacy for women and girls.

And the legacy of Secretary Clinton is not brief. From creating the first-ever Ambassador-at-large for Global Women’s issues to launching a new strategy to leverage women as “Agents of Peace” involving them as equal partners in conflict negotiation, she has been a force for good to women around the world.

Secretary Clinton knows that protecting women’s rights is in the vital interest of the United States. That’s why she made it a central focus of U.S. global health programs and investments. During her tenure, the Obama administration expanded policies to promote gender equity and eliminate gender-based violence. They released a U.S. policy on gender—demanding accelerated efforts for gender equality. Clinton also led efforts to protect LGBT rights abroad and unveiled the roadmap for how the U.S. government will work to help achieve an AIDS-free generation.

Here’s one of our favorite quotes of Secretary Clinton, from the 2012 London Summit on Family Planning: “Reproductive rights are among the most basic of human rights. But too often, in too many places, these rights are denied. Millions of women and young people in developing countries don't have access to information to plan their family. They don't have health services and modern methods of contraception. This is not only a violation of their right to decide the number, timing, and spacing of their children, it's also a question of equity as women everywhere should have the same ability to determine this fundamental part of their lives.”

- See more at: http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/thank-you-secretary-state-hillary-clinton/#sthash.Ihms3ozd.dpuf

Google is your friend, please use it!

[ND-Dem]

29. though i'm not the person you quote, my take on clinton's record is similar, and your post

doesn't change my impression.

1. I typically don't care much what people say unless backed by action -- unless they're particularly effective speakers, like mlk (who actually walked his talk, over and over again). 1 paragraph of the 4 you quote is just a quote, and one paragraph (the intro) is puff.

2. what remains is:

a. creating the first-ever Ambassador-at-large for Global Women’s issues
b. launching a new strategy to leverage women as “Agents of Peace” involving them as equal partners in conflict negotiation
c. During her tenure, the Obama administration expanded policies to promote gender equity and eliminate gender-based violence.
d. They released a U.S. policy on gender—demanding accelerated efforts for gender equality.
e. Clinton also led efforts to protect LGBT rights abroad
f. unveiled the roadmap for how the U.S. government will work to help achieve an AIDS-free generation.

I don't see anything specific here. I don't see anything analogous to the Civil Rights Act, for example, which did very clear and specific things like "end segregation".

It's all a bit too vague, blah-blah, chamber of commerce, to my way of thinking.

"led efforts" to protect lgbt rights abroad. what efforts? where abroad?

"unveiled" the "roadmap" for "how the government will work" to "help achieve" -- all that to merely 'help achieve' something in some unspecified future? we need to unveil a roadmap first to tell us how the government will work? just to "help" achieve?

why not just achieve it and skip the frigging unveiling and useless roadmap? if you know where you're going, you don't need a map.

come on, this is pitiful stuff. boilerplate, contentless BS.

[sheshe2]

31. Planned parenthood is pitiful stuff to you!!!!!

Okay that is a wonderful start. You don't give one crap about women! The article was from planned parenthood! As SOS, Hillary had a voice.

Sadly so does the GOP, they are the ones that want to beat women up. They want us silent, they don't give a damn if we are beaten or raped. They veto every damn law to protect us, then legislate laws that will harm us. They take away our right to preventative healthcare. We are nothing and you blame Hillary.

you...

1 paragraph of the 4 you quote is just a quote, and one paragraph (the intro) is puff.

intro was...

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton has put the rights of women and girls front and center in the State Department policies and programs; she will truly be missed! Much has been made of her unique partnership with President Obama, but we think it’s worth taking a few minutes to talk about her legacy for women and girls.

Here is another from me

Here’s one of our favorite quotes of Secretary Clinton, from the 2012 London Summit on Family Planning: “Reproductive rights are among the most basic of human rights. But too often, in too many places, these rights are denied. Millions of women and young people in developing countries don't have access to information to plan their family. They don't have health services and modern methods of contraception. This is not only a violation of their right to decide the number, timing, and spacing of their children, it's also a question of equity as women everywhere should have the same ability to determine this fundamental part of their lives.”

It's late and I am tired. Nothing impresses you, I think you should start reading. Women are being raped here in more ways than one. Try putting the blame where it is due. Your talking points suck.

You say

1. I typically don't care much what people say unless backed by action -- unless they're particularly effective speakers, like mlk (who actually walked his talk, over and over again).

How many effing years have women and African Americans backed there words by action? Holy shit. We have been fighting for hundreds of years. Segregation, Racism, Emancipation, Misogyny , Freedom to be equal. LGBT have been fighting for decades as well, equality.

I don't see anything specific here. I don't see anything analogous to the Civil Rights Act, for example, which did very clear and specific things like "end segregation".

It's all a bit too vague, blah-blah, chamber of commerce, to my way of thinking.

"led efforts" to protect lgbt rights abroad. what efforts? where abroad?

"unveiled" the "roadmap" for "how the government will work" to "help achieve" -- all that to merely 'help achieve' something in some unspecified future? we need to unveil a roadmap first to tell us how the government will work? just to "help" achieve?

why not just achieve it and skip the frigging unveiling and useless roadmap? if you know where you're going, you don't need a map.

come on, this is pitiful stuff. boilerplate, contentless BS.

Wake up! Segregation is not over. Nor are crimes against the lesser groups of women gays or blacks. Get off your high horse. Wake up. Please fight with us and not against us. If you truly believe it is over, then you are part of the problem.

[ND-Dem]

32. I stand by what I said. And what I said was not "segregation is over, crimes against women

and blacks are over, planned parenthood is pitiful stuff".

nice straw men though.

I said it was a puff piece, short on actionable specifics, long on puff.

[sheshe2]

33. Ummmmm~

Really?

I don't see anything specific here. I don't see anything analogous to the Civil Rights Act, for example, which did very clear and specific things like "end segregation".

[ND-Dem]

35. Yes, really. That passage doesn't say any of those things, not even by implication.

[sheshe2]

36. K~

Segregation is over?

You...

I don't see anything specific here. I don't see anything analogous to the Civil Rights Act, for example, which did very clear and specific things like "end segregation".

[ND-Dem]

37. sorry for assuming you knew the legislation and the context of 'ending segregation'.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[5] that...ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations&quot .


Ending de jure segregation in schools, workplaces and public facilities isn't synonymous with "segregation is over".

But it's a heck of a lot more than Hillary R Clinton ever accomplished.

Fact is that the civil right act had clearly stated objectives and enforcement powers instead of roadmaps, plans, and chamber of commerce bullshit.

[sheshe2]

39. Hey ND

Go start an Op of your own on the subject. Take your bullshit off my thread. You are hi-jacking mine with your crap that segregation and racism is over. We both know it is not.

It is very rude of you to hi-jack a thread. You show very bad manners on DU. There is no need to do that. There is no need at all to change the topic from this.

Women and girls. They are raped, abused and molested......



You should be ashamed of yourself. Someone did this to me a few weeks ago. They shit all over a post about children from Obama's SOTU. They did it dozens of times, dump after dump. Are you planning to break their record? Are you planning to show DU who you are? They did. Trust me, they did. Do not bully me and do not take over my thread. Grow up.

[Hekate]

72. Spot on, sheshe

[quakerboy]

70. I do need to know more

I try to pay attention to a variety of issues and spectrums, womens rights being one of them. Its pretty high on my list actually.

I will admit that I havn't paid much attention to Hillary, aside from a few of the issues where I know I disagree with her, or don't trust her.

Does the Ambassador-at-large for Global Women’s issues have much power/Authority? I had heard the title before, but assumed it was honorary or otherwise a basically powerless position. A quick Google search didn't really elucidate much on the position.

For my part, the link is persuasive and I definitely give value to what planned parenthood brings to the table. But I wish it had more specifics, details. I tend to look for the concrete evidence, and the statement has more generalities than specifics.

All of that said, thank you for responding to me. It would have been easy to dismiss my question. But the former SOS's doings as a champion of women's rights is not something I had ever done research into, and I am genuinely curious. Just because I may disagree with her in some areas does not make her a bad person, or wrong in every area.

[Hekate]

71. When Hillary Rodham was a young lawyer, her specialty was children's rights (and women's). ...

She was getting a name for herself nationally, but there was something about being First Lady of Arkansas and then of the US that pulled her full attention away from that.

Her authorship of "It Takes a Village" (children's rights) was no fluke. Her early championship of universal health care when she was FLOTUS was likewise no fluke.

Her record goes waaaay back. Google is your friend.

[quakerboy]

78. That sounds pretty cool.

I appreciate it when people link to things, as it takes it from the realm of a nebulous claim to a specific source. Google leads all over the place. Googling Obama, Hillary, etc is in my experience as likely to lead to a whacked out RW hate blog as to anything useful, unfortunately.

How did she go from having a specialty in Childrens rights to the Walmart board? That seems quite the juxtaposition to me. I will do some reading on this, but thanks for sharing that bit of information with me. I was completely unaware that she had specialized in children's rights in (I assume) her pre-politics days.

[Hekate]

79. It's been a decades long career that has led to various places. Remember the series West Wing?

In the final season as the "president's term" was ending, all the high-level staffers were getting letters of invitation to sit on all kinds of boards. CJ Crane expressed bafflement, but someone with more savvy said that was just how it was with outgoing presidential administrations -- they were important people now, with important connections. He advised her to look her offers over carefully and make some wise choices, because some of them came with very nice salaries indeed, enough to set her up quite comfortably.

I never forgot that. It's the way of the political world, evidently.

As for the Walmart gig, quite possibly Hillary thought she might do some good; or failing that, that she might do well for herself and at least cause no harm. I don't have any idea.

[freshwest]

51. Agreed. But it won't be admitted, no more than the skin color of *that man* in the White House..

[AverageJoe90]

63. Hillary ain't perfect, that's true, but.....

She's miles ahead of any Republican that the GOP could ever offer. And her women's rights advocacy is a major plus, in my mind.

[libdem4life]

4. A woman in the White House and a maybe even a First Husband ... either one works for me.

Followed by a Young Hispanic President...Democrats, yeah!!

[ND-Dem]

17. the first hispanic president is liable to be a bush. jeb's son. be careful what you wish for.

[F4lconF16]

23. Effing dynasties. nt

[sheshe2]

28. It will be a Castro~

The Blue Brothers: The Castro twins predict that Texas won’t be a red state for long



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/the-blue-brothers--the-castro-twins-predict-that-texas-won-t-be-a-red-state-for-long-222318826.html

[ND-Dem]

30. it's weird, but there's a resemblance. separated at birth?

[JTFrog]

92. Is one of those "they all look alike to me" posts?

Just sayin....

[libdem4life]

52. Who knows...but I'd say that Castro will be better placed...whether Jeb is in or not. He's the real

Hispanic from the Southwest and has the family creds...the true 2nd generation immigrant story to go with it.

Also, I'd pit Rosie Castro against Barbara Bush in a heartbeat...that's probably the big story. Barbara yaps, but Rosie will go out and do what she does best...be a community organizer.

http://keywiki.org/Rosie_Castro

If GPB makes it, it won't be his Hispanic side that does it, IMO.

If it's Hillary, she'd be daffy not to bring him with her. If it's not Hillary, same story. He's ready for prime time.

[demigoddess]

8. K&R

If we all believed in the Goddess, I doubt if our world would be full of murder, terrorism and beheadings in the name of religions. And while I'm at it, every one of the religions run by men are to blame for some of it. First one and then another. BTW, Europe has had female leaders and they survived, so I want to see a woman in the Oval Office.

[MattBaggins]

27. Or we could do away with childish things

and use reason and rational thoguht

[Wounded Bear]

44. I get where you're going...

But I don't think that is all we need. The Greeks and Romans had female deities and they were pretty violent. Granted, the female gods were often ranked inferior to the male ones in the hierarchy, but still.

It's not just that our world is run by the 'patriarchy.' After all, the system as it is hurts men, too. Somehow, the PTB gets to distort the message from 'we want women and minorities, et al, to receive equal treatment' to 'they want special treatment.'

Having a woman president would do a lot to alter perceptions of some, but there is the problem that women of power have too often been forced to work their way through a system that destroys the positive traits of their femininity. You can see that in the female Republicans that have survived the recent purge of moderates from their party. Most of the female republicans out there now would be a disaster as President, because they have become too 'Republican' in the modern sense, which seems to carry all of the worst traits of the masculine/authoritative mindset. There was a time when Republican women might have helped, but the ones out there now are, in many ways, worse then their male counterparts.

Honestly, Hillary isn't my personal choice, because of her corporate/DLC ties, but she'd be better than any Republican alternative, male or female IMHO.

[marions ghost]

50. Well said

[erronis]

66. And who anointed these "female deities"?

Of course, the male patriarchs, the owners of the temples, the senators (Greek and Roman.) These guys decided who was to be revered (could be female/male/serpent/etc.). But, unless my remembrances of "Classical History" is incorrect, there weren't many significant women In Charge.

I'm willing to admit that other civilizations might have had true power figures that were female. If anyone wants to correct me, please let us know if these female figures were there on their own right or if they were backed by some male-oriented group. I'm not trying to be disrespectful but most of the examples I've seen (matriarchal societies) are that way because the male culture allows it.

[Hekate]

74. A lot of history gets suppressed and forgotten over time. The early Christian church...

... included female bishops, for instance. Women were a very important component in organizing the early communities. (Elaine Pagels: The Gnostic Gospels)

In Rome, the temple of the Vestal Virgins was dedicated to Hestia, and was the place where all important records of the city resided -- a pretty damn important function. (recollection from my Mythological Studies program course work; a lecture by one of my professors)

See also: Marija Gimbutas on The Goddesses and Gods of Old Europe, how early archeologists were male and simply didn't "see" the images in front of them as significant.

And so it goes. We need balance; we need women's voices and perceptions. When they are suppressed, it is as if they never existed. Now we are recovering them from the past and moving into the future.

[Ilsa]

68. I won't vote for any woman for Pres that "thinks like a man."

The Nikki Haleys, Sarah Palins, etc are the worst and betray us all.

[Hekate]

76. Sarah Palin thinks like a nitwit who wiggles her ass to get attention. Hardly a fair comparison...

...to any sentient human of either gender. I don't know about Nikki Haley.

I think you mistake being subservient to a male agenda to "thinking like a man" -- which is usually taken to mean an independent woman who is capable of thinking in a cold and logical manner, without the empathy and femininity usually attributed to women. Back in the mid-20th century "she thinks like a man" was used as a kind of back-handed compliment for a certain type of woman that men felt was competitive with them.

[Hekate]

73. Hate to burst your bubble, but the Dark Ones are pretty scary. Kali, for example.

It's a fascinating study.

I read The Chalice and the Blade early on and liked it very much. Is that one of your sources?

[SunSeeker]

9. K & R

[Ramses]

10. Recommend but with sadness

I disagree with you politically about this, but support women's rights fully.
I like your insightful posts, but I must disagree with you on this one in regards to Hillary

[sheshe2]

11. Thank you for your honesty Ramses.

It did not start out being about Hillary, she came up in the conversation. I am mostly silent about her, except when she was SOS. I would like to see another advocate for women in the WH. She wins the general, she has my vote. It is a topic near and dear to me in many ways. There is no way that I will sit out the vote and let the GOP again try to destroy us all. It's as simple as that for me.

[Ramses]

12. I respect that

And its clear we share the same strong feelings about minority and women's rights here. I hope to persuade you that Hillary may not be the best choice in terms of those rights in the future. I understand having a crazy ass racist republican president is very very bad, but we can and must do better than Hillary being our advocate. Her policies, especially foreign policy and economically, are NOT in the best interests of either.

[William769]

14. I did not know you felt that way.

[sheshe2]

18. She is an advocate for women, that puts her front and forward with me. I have posted about that.

And the best SOS we ever had. All I said is true, I respect her, William.

Never my first choice for 2008, Obama was from the start.

Bottom line, if she runs, and I believe she will, then she will indeed win.

[ND-Dem]

34. better than thomas jefferson? better than john quincy adams?

http://www.americanheritage.com/content/ten-best-secretaries-state%E2%80%A6


what exactly were Clinton's accomplishments as SoS that make you believe she is 'the best'? anything like the Marshall Plan or acquiring Florida & Alaska or creating NATO?

[libdem4life]

54. Others may know specifics, but it was clear she earned the respect of world leaders and was a

stellar representative of the United States.

[ND-Dem]

55. the poster claimed HC was the best secretary of state ever. it's a big claim. what made her

better than john Kerry, let alone john adams?

[libdem4life]

56. Wasn't around for John Adams, and Kerry is good, too. Maybe it's just that she

attracted more attention and there were much higher stakes for her and a lot of people hoped she'd fail? Kerry has done us well, to be sure. He's never impressed me as a person that much, kind of stiff, not that it matters. But it may be a trick question, too.

[sheshe2]

21. This is how I feel and said to a poster above William.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026231369#post20

and more

No other secretary of state has ever advanced the rights of women and girls around the world as she has. And now it’s time for us to stand up and speak out for her. Join us in giving our heartfelt thanks to Hillary Clinton for her tireless efforts to advance the rights of women and girls around the world.

- See more at: http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/thank-you-secretary-state-hillary-clinton/#sthash.Ihms3ozd.dpuf

I have always stood with her on this. Always.

[F4lconF16]

24. +1 nt

[McCamy Taylor]

16. Bravo!

[AtheistCrusader]

19. "From the birth of the Church, out of the womb of Fear and the fatherhood of Ignorance

, it has taught the inferiority of woman. In one form or another through the various mythical legends of the various mythical creeds, runs the undercurrent of the behef in the fall of man through the persuasion of woman, her subjective condition as punishment, her natural vileness, total depravity, etc.; and from the days of Adam until now the Christian Church, with which we live specially to deal, has made Woman the excuse, the scapegoat for the evil deeds of man."

-Voltairine de Cleyre

[smirkymonkey]

22. K&R!

[betsuni]

38. K&R!

[Skidmore]

40. So much this...

One of the reasons I view religions as political expressions designed to amass wealth and power. There is no other way to view religion other than a tool for organizing society in a manner which benefits a few.

[trumad]

41. Excellent thread..

Sorry about the brief hijack.

[sheshe2]

42. Thanks...

Love you trumad.

[marions ghost]

43. God is unisex

...if you do believe there is one Great Spirit.

No religion that teaches that women are the chattel of men is an enlightened philosophy.

We are not there yet around the world. I hope one day we will be, because a male dominated universe is not healthy for girls or women.

[Wounded Bear]

45. It's not healthy for about 99% of the men, either.

In the end, it is the hierarchichal meme at the core of 'masculinity' that is the problem.

Full equality really is the answer.

Oh, and I agree about the religious aspect. From the very beginning the religious elites have preached that 'they' are the other and God is on our side, and god appointed me to direct you in the struggle so throw your pennies in the coffer. It's been a radically effective strategy since forever.

[marions ghost]

49. True

but that's a stretch for both men and women. Core concepts of masculinity will take a long time to overcome. Strength can no longer be equated with domination. Clawing to the top of the pile, deliberately keeping others down, exploiting the weak, controlling and dominating every situation--this is a disease of our culture which even spreads to ambitious women. We need to STOP admiring this behavior and start supporting cooperation and division of labor based on individual strengths. Recognizing the value of teamwork and pulling together. This would be liberating to men who are ready for it, who often feel boxed in by role expectations, and realize that it's not so much a matter of granting "equality" to women, but creating space for the evolution of all of us.

My God's better than your god--all part of the basic domination game. Gotta go. For the health of the world.

[chrisa]

46. Hey, look! It's God!

If God were real, it wouldn't need to be male or female, and it certainly wouldn't look like humans.

[PassingFair]

53. Ahem...."In his own image"....

It's in the buybull.

[charles d]

48. A Sad Truth

And no country walks away clean.

[davidn3600]

57. Women and girls ALWAYS considered last? Really?

Is that why men are even today still expected to sacrifice themselves for women? Were Women "considered last" on the Titanic? Why did so many more women than men survive that tragedy? Because a large number of men gave their lives so the women in their lives can live.

Men are told by society from the cradle that we are supposed to be the providers and protectors and be willing to die to defend the country. Why? To protect women and children. Men make up most of the homeless in our society. Men commit suicide more than women. Men go to prison longer than women. Men don't get the benefit of a doubt in custody disputes the way women do. Yet you claim women are "always considered last" because a small minority of criminals in this world who traffic and rape? You don't think good men around the world in every civilized country is trying everything they can to stop that crime?

Ridiculous.

[cyberswede]

58. The patriarchy sucks for everybody. nt

[malthaussen]

59. Stipulating a zero-sum game,

If this god-thing were represented as female, then men and boys would be "considered last." Somehow, I don't see that as an improvement, although one might argue that the absolute majority of females means that total of human suffering would be less thereby. Perhaps there is a third alternative?

-- Mal

[kjones]

60. Because yeah, none of those other religions exist!

[EX500rider]

61. Indeed...

Saraswati, Hindu goddess of knowledge, music, arts, wisdom and learning:


Tara (Buddhism) She is known as the "mother of liberation", and represents the virtues of success in work and achievements.


Ma-tsu, is the Chinese patron goddess who is said to protect seafarers, such as fishermen and sailors:


Amaterasu (Shinto) She is the goddess of the sun, but also of the universe.

[Hekate]

75. Thanks for this

[Tsiyu]

82. I love Tara

and say prayers to her occasionally. She is the "liberator" and whenever I need help, it always arrives.

Coincidence, perhaps, but she's been a better salve to my soul than the "all women suck" ethos of the gods of men.

[DesertDiamond]

62. We are each our own supreme being, and are all infinitely respectworthy.

[Liberal_in_LA]

64. kick

[BlancheSplanchnik]

65. rec #100. :)

And kick.

she!

[Arugula Latte]

67. I believe the big three Abrahamaic monotheisms were made up with the intention of crushing women

and they have succeeded wildly for centuries. It's sad people still believe primitive myths from isolated long-ago goat herding cultures.

[grahamhgreen]

69. Women actually hold the power of creation inside their bodies,

But God is male... I don't think so....

[Hekate]

77. The Universe is a Mother, you betcha

[Albertoo]

80. Then realizing there is no God will have added benefits

since belief in Him/Her/It was never rational in the first place.

[Tsiyu]

81. That's what finally didn't make sense to me

about the Abrahamic religions.

We know in humans, at least, it takes male and female to create life.

So why do these religions make "male" the creator of everything? Envy over women's ability to bear children? I could never figure it out. But having only "male-centered" spirituality is like a bird flying with one wing.

Sanctifying males and degrading females is what all the Abrahamic religions have always been about. As I read in the Dead Sea Scrolls ( right before I pitched it across the room and later burned it ) : "Better the evil a man does than the good a woman does."

WHAT TEH FUCK? So a child molesting male is better than a beloved female first grade teacher, simply because HE has testicles? What?

I figure the author of that statement was one of the first Red Pill goons. The whole bible is practically full of gems like that. Red Pill City! Poor guys even back then decided to hate women to make up for their own shortcomings, and they still do it today.

It's fine if males want to glorify their own gender. I see "saved" men talk about Jesus like he's their lover. These are guys who've probably rarely told their wives they love them, but they gush over their "Lord and Savior" like little schoolboys.

Good for them! I would never tell anyone what to believe. But I have no use for any religion that subjugates anyone.

The male fetish of the Abrahamic religions is adorable and sad at the same time. And yes, it has caused more problems in this world than we know. Poor people who believe that shite. They don't know the joy of acceptance and tolerance for all.

As the saying goes: To hold someone down, you gotta bend over. Male-centered religious folk are bent over trying to hold women down, and neither will make any progress as long as this is true.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

83. How do we know God has been misrepresented?

And how does any (mis)representation lead others to become rapists and abusers?

[Orsino]

84. Until we see the dick pics, sexing God is just a political act. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

85. "Until we see the dick pics"

How about vagina pics from the author of the quote in the OP?

[Orsino]

86. Is the sex of the quote's author in question? n/t

[Tsiyu]

87. lol

I worked with an old seminary student who wore a shirt that said "God is not a boy's name."

She pissed off the Baptists; they'd be shaking they were so mad.

Fun times.

[Orsino]

88. Heh. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

89. You know what I meant.

[Orsino]

90. No, I don't.

You may have guessed, though, that I don't expect to see a divine dic pic any more than I expect a god's existence to be verifiable.

The patriarchy's insistence that gods have penises begs many questions.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

91. The author of the quote wrote a book, with attending site, called, "The Girl God."

It's the basis for the quote in the OP. I'm curious to know if people similarly expect the girl god to do a centerfold spread.

[Orsino]

93. Ah, I see.

I'm not convinced that the title is insisting on a particular sex for any particular god, but yes, we would have to see the evidence.

I gather that the author is attempting to dismantle the patriarchal view of a monotheistic deity, and I approve of that much.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

94. "I approve of that much."

Why?

[Orsino]

95. Because a gendered view of the divine that just so happens to match male privilege...

...is dangerous. Undermining that state of affairs sounds very healthy, unless it somehow led to an upside-down world in which women oppressed men in the name of a female deity.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

96. "Undermining that state of affairs sounds very healthy"

Undermining sexism, bigotry and social disorder is healthy but if The Divine has chosen to reveal Itself in the masculine then we may only be undermining Truth.

Then the question becomes: Has The Divine revealed Itself as either gender and if so, which?

Answering that The Divine MUST -- as if it either a moral imperative or superlative -- be expressed in the feminine because of the failings of human beings is nothing but a prejudgment.

...unless it somehow led to an upside-down world in which women oppressed men in the name of a female deity.

Anything based on prejudice instead of Truth seems inevitably doomed to lead to oppression. Such is the nature of all sexism, bigotry and social disorder.

[Orsino]

97. Doesn't seem to apply to the author of the quote. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

98. "The Girl God" seems to be making an affirmative statement. According to the quote in the OP

she has no basis for that statement apart from, "Those people suck."

[Orsino]

99. The title "The Girl God" makes no such statement.

And the quote is qualified with the word "strictly."

[Nuclear Unicorn]

100. From the website --

The Girl God: a picture book to show girls that god can be a girl, god is inside, god is an idea, a positive action or good deed, god is open to creative interpretation and should be about everyone. A great book to dispel the myth that god is male with wonderful illustrations by Elisabeth Slettnes. Empowerment for our girl children.

http://thegirlgod.com/reviews.php

And why is there a need for this?