Non Sequitur: The Assault Rifle Sportsman

[Scuba]

[Duckhunter935]

1. This seems to violate the GD SOP

not even close to being accurate anyway. Maybe you should post it in one of the gun related groups. At least one needs the traffic badly.

[Rex]

121. Aw did the OP give you a sadz?

Looks like you were wrong, imagine that.

[Duckhunter935]

122. nope

maybe wrong, maybe not

[Rex]

129. I understand, it is impossible for you to admit to being wrong

3 hours and the OP is still here...but you try hard to be gatekeeper in GD. It amuses me to no end your obvious hypocrisy.

[Duckhunter935]

132. It has taken longer for others to be locked

[Rex]

134. Right...again, sorry about your bad luck.

[Duckhunter935]

137. What bad luck

This thread has turned out to show how ignorant the artist is and also that of the controller crowd. I am just waiting for the penis reference to show up as it always does when the controller side has now argument. That and the name calling, very sad discussion points.

[Rex]

140. And yet no penis reference, I bet it is driving you crazy not being able to use

your cue cards! Seriously I am really sorry your attempt to shutdown this topic failed miserably. The fact that you say controller crowd and then pretend you don't want to stop conversation in this thread is nothing short of hilarious. Thank you for providing me with a few minutes of laughter this morning.

[Duckhunter935]

148. no problem

it always shows up

[rgbecker]

197. Here you go.

So its like their penises are too small or something. Don't you think?

[nikto]

228. This thread has been saved!! Here it is...

[Major Nikon]

231. The more you kick the thread, the less likely it is to be locked

Just sayin'

[Duckhunter935]

232. I know

I doubt it will due to the interest and number of posts. I just hope they do not start alerting on some of the pictures now as they have in the past to get a hide for a GD SOP violation. Some like to have others abide by the rules but not them.

[Hekate]

189. Non Sequiter is a cartoon that appears in the daily funnies, ducks.

Intelligent satire, on the whole.

[Duckhunter935]

190. yes, and post about guns, even a cartoon

seem to violate the SOP and Skinner's guidance, n2doc posts cartoons all the time in one of the gun groups. He might need to post more as it it very slow over there.

It is really a moot point as the post stands and the artist has been shown to to have a very poor ability to post satire about the subject at hand.

[Hekate]

193. I read Wiley's cartoons every day; this is just an offhand comment for him, not a theme.

[Duckhunter935]

194. Does the SOP or Skinners's Guidance say anything about a "theme"?

[Hekate]

196. I don't know who you think are "controllers," but this has obviously hit a nerve

You're very defensive.

[Duckhunter935]

198. nope

some here have been pushing the GD SOP and getting many gun related posts locked trying to make the SOP worthless. At least one had posting privileges revoked.

They will keep trying and as of now most of them have been correctly locked and the host has put in a polite request to post oiin the proper group, outdoor life, state, or one of the gun related groups.

[Electric Monk]

242. You'll be happy to know that I reposted it in one of the correct Groups

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=8143



You are, of course, welcome to re-post it in the other one as well, if you like.

[Arcadiasix]

2. I use an AR-15 chambered in 6.8 Rem SPC to hunt wild hogs year round here.

It has basically the same ballistics as a 270 bolt gun.

[Duckhunter935]

9. does not matter to the controllers

does it look scary?

[Hoyt]

40. If you are just interested in hunting game, why use a rifle like this?

I don't think these type rifles are being manufactured or marketed to appeal to hunting needs (hunting of animals anyway).

[Duckhunter935]

49. The AR platform is

I would post pictures like you but then you or one of controllers would alert like they have in the past to censor the discussion. That is funny as they will use the SOP argument that the OP has already broken and I just answer a question that has been asked.

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-r-15.aspx
http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-r-25.aspx
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_817049_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

https://www.youtube.***/watch?v=VbDQUADaIkE

Replace the *** with com to watch. Very good explanation.

[Hoyt]

55. Like I said, the guns aren't manufactured, marketed, or bought because game hunters like them.

Besides, I thought you did not hunt.

[Duckhunter935]

60. I do not hunt

but the manufacturers do make them for hunters and they are well liked or they would not.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

215. the manufacturers make them for hunting. / they are well liked.

Those are two separate propositions.


1) They manufacture them.
They can claim to be manufacturing them for anyone they want. Hunters. Sportsmen. Target shooters. Skeet...they can say whatever they want.

2) This is separate from and has no relation to why those guns actually sell. People aren't buying assault weapons to fill some direct need, like you'd buy a can opener for opening cans.



(man card is the more honest motivation. I think that's pretty indisputable)

[Darb]

216. You just "play" with your gunz?

[Duckhunter935]

237. Guns are not toys, I do not play with them

I relax and calm myself down to accurately group my shots on a paper plate at different distances.

Once again a gun is not a toy

[gregcrawford]

236. No deer hunter who knew his butt from a hole in the ground...

... would EVER use an AR-15. That weapon is a civilian M-16 wannabe. It is made for one purpose: Killing people. Oh, and for making mental defectives feel like they're "Real Men," which they most assuredly are not.

I am a Liberal down to my DNA. I am also a life-long gun owner. Contrary to popular belief, the two are not mutually exclusive. And, though I don't hunt anymore, I can still hit anything I aim at. Because I am left-handed, my preferred deer rifle was was a lever-action Savage 99 F-Model with the rotary magazine, chambered for .308, with a 4x scope with duplex crosshairs. A tack driver. Drop rounds in the same hole all day long with that baby.

The Ar-15's barrel is too short to be an effective hunting rifle, and just try mounting a scope on one of the damned things! And anyone who needs a 30-round clip to bring down ANY big game probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door with a cannon if he was inside the barn.

In closing, Wayne LaPierre is a dickless psychopath who ruined the NRA. Should any "Real Men" care to take issue with that assessment, I'll gladly give them my street address. Just don't waste any money on a return ticket.

[Duckhunter935]

238. where do I start

... would EVER use an AR-15. That weapon is a civilian M-16 wannabe. It is made for one purpose: Killing people. Oh, and for making mental defectives feel like they're "Real Men," which they most assuredly are not.

Actually the AR-15 platform is a very good small game and varmint weapon. A lot of people use it to hunt feral hogs. They also have AR models chambered in the larger calibers for anything up to large game.

my preferred deer rifle was was a lever-action Savage 99 F-Model with the rotary magazine, chambered for .308, with a 4x scope with duplex crosshairs. A tack driver. Drop rounds in the same hole all day long with that baby.

And how that weapon was designed and was adapted from military weapons with let me quote you "made for one purpose: Killing people." I guess the rifle can have more than one purpose, right?

The Ar-15's barrel is too short to be an effective hunting rifle, and just try mounting a scope on one of the damned things! And anyone who needs a 30-round clip to bring down ANY big game probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door with a cannon if he was inside the barn.

The AR has a range of 300 plus yards, plenty long and accurate for hunting. Most AR variants have rail systems for scope mounting, much easier than your rifle you like so much. It is up to the state but the size of the magazine is limited for hunters and it is not legal to use one of the larger magazines. This is the same as shotguns that require plugs for hunting to limit the number of rounds.

In closing, Wayne LaPierre is a dickless psychopath who ruined the NRA.

That, we agree on! They do at least still have a quality safety and training programs. The legislative side is nuts though.

[Damansarajaya]

207. Good post. You beat me to it, but I posted a photo of a Rem 750 below. nt

[Rex]

123. I used a plasma rifle with night vision scope to hunt squirrels last week.

Dam things are vicious I tell you! I think I like my laser rifle better though.

[Duckhunter935]

130. I can't wait until

that is reality. I would like a Phaser with stun capability.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8506/

[Vattel]

166. Why do you hunt squirrels?

[Hekate]

192. In some places they're considered vermin. Pioneers used to eat them as small game in pies and stews.

I used to read about that when I was a child -- but never having seen one until I was an adult, I had no idea how very small a mouthful a squirrel might be. They're cute little rodents who carry plague fleas in the Southwest.

I have no idea why the poster hunts squirrels, but probably not for food in this day and age. As to squirrels as a food source, people in rural areas used them well into the 20th century when times got tough.

[belcffub]

209. I hunt squirrels and eat them

they are everywhere on our 50 acres spread... and do constant damage to our buildings... always chewing holes into the eves... once I think I have enough tin and chicken wire over the areas they find a new place to destroy... so we shot them, clean them and eat them... one per person is a meal... cook up some rice with them or maybe boil them down to soup... I don't shot anything I don't eat...

[oneshooter]

210. Pecan fed squirrel with German egg dumplings makes a fine meal.

I got 6 large pecan trees on my property.

[Hekate]

214. Well there you have it. You two know what to do with an otherwise pesky critter.

Awhile back I read a short memoir of two rural boys who got to go to college -- this was probably the early 1930s which meant they were there on a shoestring. Outside their upstairs room was a large nut tree full of squirrels, and according to the author what the landlady didn't see the landlady didn't have to know about. They ate well that year.

[ileus]

156. I've been wanting a 6.8 upper for several years.

Even with a youth 6mm08 my 10yo sons deer rifles stock is a little long, where his AR's stock on the second position fits him great.

[Duckhunter935]

159. I would like to get a 6.8 upper also

the beauty of the AR platform. Plug and play.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

3. Actually, .223 is one of the more popular rounds for those who hunt for the meat.

[Duckhunter935]

8. correct, but I bet it is not

an assault rifle like the cartoon is try to conflate hunting with.

[AtheistCrusader]

220. Mine is.

But it's highly modular, and I have the appropriate five round limit magazines for hunting as well.

It's a fantastic platform. If you care about the possibility of the animal suffering, a swift follow-up shot can be the difference between a wounded animal bleeding out over days and miles, versus dead right there.

I'm a meat eater. I won't apologize for that, but when I take an animal, I have no desire to see it suffer. Semi-auto is a great help in that regard.

Author of the cartoon knows fuck-all about guns, OR, he is playing to his target audience, who knows fuck-all about guns.

[jpak]

51. No - it is not

.30-.30, 30.06, .308 are game hunting calibers.

.223 was designed to kill humans.

Gunnuttery fail.

yup

[Duckhunter935]

58. great caliber for Varmint hunting

those other calibers are used in the AR platform also

[jpak]

64. .243 is a varmint round - .233 is a human killer

Gunnuttery fail again

yup

[Duckhunter935]

69. and your source for this is?

I bet you will not come up with one

[jpak]

79. .223 is the standard US & NATO military assault rifle round - designed to kill humans

It killed lots of kids in CT a while back.

.243 has long been favored as a "varmint" round.

The fucking gun nuts want to justify their extender devices by calling them hunting rifles.

.223 sucks

yup

[GGJohn]

83. Shows what you don't know.

The .223 is NOT the standard US/NATO caliber, the standard round for US/NATO armies is the 5.56X45 and the 7.62X51 round.

[jpak]

86. Really? All fucking military rounds have a fucking caliber

5.56 x 45 is .223

7.62x51 is .308

Gunnuttery fail

again

yup

[GGJohn]

88. Once again, your ignorance of military rounds is showing,

5.56X45 is NOT a caliber, 5.56X45 is in millimeters.
As pointed out by Duck Hunter, there is a difference in the 2 rounds.
Anti-gunnuttery fail, again.
Yup.

[jpak]

89. Do you know what metric a caliber represents? Nope

You can buy 5.56 x 45 .223 caliber NATO standard ammo for a AR-15 by the truckload.

You can use 7.62x51 in any .308 chambered hunting rifle.

Extender device worshipers do it all the time.

Gunnuttery fail

Proceed Governor

[GGJohn]

90. Caliper?

Of course you can use those in those rifles, but you stated that the.223 was the standard caliber used by US/NATO armies, which just is untrue.

Anti-gunnuttery fail, again.

Proceed Guvner.

[jpak]

100. You can use a caliper to measure the caliber of a NATO 5.56x45 round

If you know what it meant

[GGJohn]

102. No shit.

But you still think that the .223 is the standard US/NATO round?

[cstanleytech]

91. Excuse my ignorance one again but if I recall

from reading somewhere a long time ago isnt another difference between the military ammunition and civilian ammunition that some civilian ammo can be hollow so as to cause a larger exit wound but that its banned for the military to have such ammunition?

[GGJohn]

92. You know, that's a really good question,

not sure, but I'm quite sure there are others here who could answer.
Kudos for asking pertinent questions.

[Duckhunter935]

95. yes, hollow points and expanding ammo

are banned from military use by treaty.

One of the things I did learn is military grade ammo uses less lead and is now more environmentally friendly. Military is now working on lead free ammo and I am sure the controller side will want that banned for civilian use.

http://www.army.mil/article/56157/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_bullet

[GGJohn]

99. Thanks!!!

I knew somebody here could answer the question.
Don't you find it refreshing that someone wants to actually learn about firearms rather than spout off ignorant rants, like some do on a regular basis?

[glasshouses]

98. The

difference is case load pressure

[glasshouses]

113. It is authorized to use

[Duckhunter935]

115. .223 can be used

in a 5.56 chamber but not the other way around. It is not safe.

[glasshouses]

124. I'm referring to BTHP

Boat Tail Hollow Points

[krispos42]

229. That's correct.

Military ammo is prohibited from being the expanded type by the Hague Treaty of I believe 1896 or 1898. So by law, military ammo can't use hollow-point or soft-nosed bullets.

Countries have gotten around this, to an extent, by making bullets that are prone to tumbling when they hit flesh.

Commercial ammunition, especially for hunting and for self-defense, is designed to mushroom in a controlled fashion. This creates a larger wound channel and dumps more energy and momentum into the target. All of this is to increase the speed and probability of death of whatever it hits, be it a game animal or a violent attacker.

In fact, in most or maybe even all states, expanding ammunition is mandatory for big game hunting. They also generally have minimum power and/or minimum-caliber regulations as well.

[Hangingon]

84. Actually the .223 is not the US & NATO round.

The 5.56x45mm is The round is different than the commercial varmint hunting .223 round.

[Duckhunter935]

85. nope, you are quite wrong

It is derived from, but not identical to, the .223 Remington cartridge.

5.56 mm NATO versus .223 Remington

The 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington cartridges and chamberings are similar but not identical.[43] While the cartridges are identical other than powder load, the chamber leade, i.e. the area where the rifling begins, is cut to a sharper angle on some .223 commercial chambers. Because of this, a cartridge loaded to generate 5.56mm pressures in a 5.56mm chamber may develop pressures that exceed SAAMI limits when fired from a short-leade .223 Remington chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO

The 5.56 NATO round was used in Sandy Hook, not the .223

All of the 5.56 mm shell casings from SHES that were tested were found to have been fired from this rifle.

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

failed again

[cstanleytech]

70. I fully admit my knowledge on firearms is lacking but wouldnt it depend on what

game you are hunting like if you are hunting say something large like a bear wouldnt you need something with more power to kill it vs say something to kill a squirrel?

[Duckhunter935]

71. You are very correct

the .223 round is a very small caliber round for small game. You need a much larger round for larger game.

[GGJohn]

73. You're absolutely correct.

Each caliber has it's own different use, larger game require larger calibers, smaller game can use a smaller caliber.

[ileus]

200. Or is its a human saver round....take for instance my AR15

that I use for home defense...it's primary purpose is saving/protecting lives.


Of course my DWs AR is a coyote and deer rifle (have to go to WV to deer hunt with it however.)


The 243 is a damn fine whitetail cartridge, the 223 is great for turkey and coyotes, crows, groundhogs ect...and with the proper bullet it's an okay deer cartridge as long as you pick you shot and deliver it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

67. A search of the term "223 hunting round" says otherwise.

[GGJohn]

68. The .223 is a great caliber for hunting medium sized game,

like the feral pigs here in AZ, or the predators that go after our livestock.
Anti-gunnuttery fail.
Yup.

[Duckhunter935]

74. Yup

[leveymg]

182. Preferred round of the IDF for shooting rock throwing kids - must be "medium sized game."

Military steps up use of live 0.22 inch bullets against Palestinian stone-throwers [View all]
January 18, 2015

West Bank military commander recently confirmed shift to use of live fire instead of crowd control weapons




Recent months have seen a dramatic rise in Israeli security forces’ use of live 0.22 inch caliber bullets (Ruger rifle bullets, also known by the nickname Two-Two) in clashes with Palestinians in the West Bank. The firing of this ammunition is an almost weekly occurrence in the West Bank in sites of protests and clashes. Most of those injured have been young Palestinians, including minors. Yet, in the last two months, one Palestinian woman, at least three photographers, and a foreign national who was taking part in a demonstration were also hit by these bullets. B’Tselem does not have the full data on the number of people wounded this type of ammunition.

Two-Twos are live ammunition whose impact is less severe than that of “ordinary” bullets (5.56 mm caliber), yet even so they can be lethal and inflict serious injuries. Two-Twos are fired with a 10/22 Ruger rifle, which is often equipped with an integral suppressor, or from a specially converted M4 rifle (“a shortened M16”). Use of this weapon has elicited controversy even within the Israeli military: in 2001, the head of the security department in the Operations Directorate wrote that the Ruger cannot be considered a non-lethal weapon and may be used only in circumstances that justify live fire. In view of the large number of people hit and even killed by 0.22 bullets early in the second intifada, use of this ammunition was suspended from 2001 to 2008. In the time since use of this ammunition was renewed, B’Tselem has documented the deaths of at least two people from these bullets; however, the real number may be higher, as it is difficult to establish whether a person was killed by these bullets or “ordinary” live ammunition, which is very similar in caliber.

[GGJohn]

184. I wouldn't know,

I don't use my AR-15, shooting .223 rounds to shoot rock throwing kids, or anyone for that matter.

[Hangingon]

240. This is not a .223 or 5.55x45 round.

It is a.22 long rifle fired from a Ruger 10.22

[Duckhunter935]

72. So where all of those other

calibers if you want to go there. The 5.56 is actually the military round, different than the .223.

[NickB79]

128. The calibers you listed are a dying breed

Bolt action and lever action rifles firing the rounds you listed have been falling in sales for a decade now.

A sizeable portion of guns sold for hunting these days are built around the .223-cal, AR platform.

[aikoaiko]

213. Do you really not know what the .30-.30, .30-06, and .308 were developed for?

[AtheistCrusader]

221. Wrong on every single count.

For starters, .30-06 and .308 were designed for war. I have a first-generation battle rifle in each platform. One is customized for deer.

.223 is adequate, allowed, and preferred for all game smaller than a deer. It's not allowed in most states for Deer, because it cannot reliably put down a ~200lb animal. Which is why the Army is still looking at a half-dozen other rounds to replace .223, because if its unreliable on a deer, it's really unreliable on a deer that might be wearing armor, and shooting back at you. (Humans and deer are of similar mass.)

And all of this has been explained to you before.

[NickB79]

241. Wait, you're saying a .223 isn't powerful enough for hunting game?

And you suggest a round 2-3 times as powerful.

Yet the OP's picture implies that a hunter who uses a .223 or 5.56mm assault rifle will leave nothing but a splatter due to it's immense power.

Which is it?

[99Forever]

4. "Sportsman." Now there's a loaded term.

Ever wonder how many of the "badass hunters" would still do it if their prey had guns and the capability to shoot back?

Sport, my ass.

[Duckhunter935]

6. yes much better to let

the animals starve to death. At least hunters eat the meat that is harvested.

[GGJohn]

10. Hmmm, we hunt for our food, never considered ourselves "badass hunters". eom.

[Duckhunter935]

12. you know that does not matter to the controllers

[AlbertCat]

39. does not matter to the controllers

Yes.... the silly minutia of gun specifics DOES NOT matter..... to anyone but gun enthusiasts trying to derail the point.

[99Forever]

13. Oh please.

It ain't sellin' to me. Check your watch, it's not 1850 any more.

[GGJohn]

15. What does the year 1850 have to do with hunting?

Hey, if you want to continue to buy and eat that steroid and chemical laden meat that stores sell, be my guest, I'll continue to hunt and eat natural meat, not steroids or chemicals.
And I ain't sellin' anything to you, I could care less what you think of my practice of hunting.

[Duckhunter935]

17. wow, nice person

1850? what bull

[GGJohn]

20. Yeah, that one is a particularly hateful person towards firearms owners. eom.

[Duckhunter935]

27. there are a few, I agree

[AtheistCrusader]

222. Seriously. That would even rule out my Savage 1889.

[99Forever]

22. For someone who...

... "could care less what you think of my practice of hunting," you sure sound all angry as Hell that I dared to call it out for the cowardly game it is.

[GGJohn]

24. Not angry, just amused that you would think I'm trying to sell you something.

I LOL when I read or hear people like you lambasting firearms owners and hunters because you and your ilk really have no clue at all about those of us who own and use firearms for hunting.
Oh, and guess what, I bow hunt also.

[99Forever]

26. I have plenty of "clues about firearms owners and hunters."

You just don't like what they say.

[GGJohn]

29. Yeah, I'm suuuure you do.

[Shamash]

45. No, I believe you have zero clues

During the Great Depression, my grandfather put meat on the table by hunting, to supplement his income from being a coal miner. During WW2, my father was barely too young to serve, but he was able to stretch the family's meat ration coupons by hunting. I have a freezer full of meat I got this season, and the local meat packing plant has a "Hunters for the Hungry" program where hunters can donate their deer to help low-income families and the homeless, which is fairly important in my area because it is still in an economic slump.

There is a difference between "having a clue" and "having an uninformed yet strongly biased opinion". Feel free to reply in a way that demonstrates (or demonstrates again) which of those two you have.

[lumberjack_jeff]

107. It's more cowardly than buying a 10# bag of ground animal at Costco?

I don't hunt, but I do fish and garden. I have respect for people who know where there food comes from.

[99Forever]

120. Oh please.

"Hunting" in this day and age, is rarely about anything other than satisfying a urge to dominate and kill.

When someone has to twist themselves into a pretzel to "justify" the things they do, the only one they really are fooling is themselves.

[lumberjack_jeff]

136. In my experience, those who hunt are more likely to have thought these issues through.

I see nothing morally superior about buying meat from the grocery. The primary benefit of that is maintaining an illusion that this:


is somehow ethically superior to this:

[rhett o rick]

219. They try to kill the toughest old buck to get the bragging rights. It removes the best from the

gene pool. Just the opposite of Mother Nature. I guess the tough meat is worth the bragging rights about how manly it is to kill a deer with a powerful gun.

[AtheistCrusader]

223. Untrue.

Some of us have no interest in trophy bucks. There are certainly some hunters in it for that, but it is by no means a majority.

[Rex]

138. They are it is driving them nuts!

Being called out for killing animals has them raging hard!

[GGJohn]

143. Naw, just rageingly amused at comments like this one.

This thread has really brought out the ignorance of some when it comes to hunting for food.

[Rex]

144. Nonsense this has nothing to do with hunting for food. Thank you for providing

me a few minutes of laughter this morning. Your attempts to shutdown this thread is LMAO funny! Again, thanks and I KNOW it is driving you crazy getting ignored like this...poor baby, well this is all the attention you get from me today.

Hunting for food...lol...good one! Almost as good as pretending to have respect for Skinner!

Seriously, you are a great entertainer.

[GGJohn]

151. No no no, thank you for the laughter today from comments like yours.

I'm LMFAO reading all these comments from the people with the mind set like yours.
Keep it up, I needed to be cheered up and you're doing a splendid job.

[Duckhunter935]

154. yep, me too

[WhiteTara]

56. You don't think those animals are picking up

toxins? I assume you shoot deer and birds...I see so many of those in my garden and meadow. Surely you don't think that those animals and birds didn't eat pesticide laden foods and the deer graze on herbicide laden plants? No, maybe not in the levels of CAFO foods, but we have fouled our nest from one end to the other.

I myself, buy locally from farmers who I know humanely raise and slaughter their animals. I love fresh eggs and milk too.

So, maybe you just like the taste of wild animal and you like to shoot things.

[Duckhunter935]

63. That's fine for you

Just do not tell others what they can do. Nobody is doing that to you are they. Maybe they do not have that option, true?

[WhiteTara]

77. I didn't and I don't.

I have no idea who anyone is and what their circumstance. I just said perhaps he liked wild taste (I love wild salmon and can't stand farm raised...you can tell the difference) so, you can calm down now. I merely noted things are polluted everywhere.

[Duckhunter935]

78. No problem

I thought you were the other poster

[WhiteTara]

81. ahhh, those dopplegangers

are everywhere.

[GGJohn]

65. The area of AZ I live in? No, I do not.

I do like the taste of venison, wild pig, wild turkey, elk, and so on.

Do I like to shoot things? I like the thrill of the hunt, I like the fact that I can provide for my family and the local food banks in our area, I like the fact that I know that by my donating some of my kills, I'm helping those less fortunate than us.

[Duckhunter935]

75. some feel so superior to others

I will never understand that myself.

[WhiteTara]

80. just before I was going to answer your post

I read this...serendipity.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112781038
Bald eagles in Michigan FULL of flame retardants. Yep, we have fouled our nest and are busy killing all that sustains us.

[GGJohn]

82. Oh I won't argue with you that we need to better manage our environment,

but in my area of AZ, around the Flagstaff area, we're pretty careful about fouling our land and water supply, we're on a well, not municipal water.
I'm quite sure there is some contamination, but minimal in our area.

[lumberjack_jeff]

109. Your food bank takes wild game?

My local food bank only recently began taking fresh garden vegetables.

[GGJohn]

110. Yes, as long as it's processed by a licensed butcher shop.

We use the one in town and they'll deliver it to the appropriate food banks and homeless shelters.

[belcffub]

212. In NY they allow you to donate the meat at all processing places

they have been doing it for years...

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. "It ain't sellin' to me. Check your watch, it's not 1850 any more."

[Duckhunter935]

36. Priceless

[DeSwiss]

227. !

- Je ne sais pas quoi dire...........

[Brickbat]

87. As long as you're starving and not having any fun at all.

Then, and only then, is hunting OK.

[Darb]

217. No you don't brian williams.

[GGJohn]

234. Huh? eom.

[Logical]

38. Killing something with a gun is not hard, now a knife, I would be impressed. nt

[GGJohn]

46. How about bow hunting? eom.

[Logical]

47. Much much harder and I totally see the challenge in that. Still, a knife would be really impressive!

[GGJohn]

50. Anyone stupid enough to try to take a deer, elk, antelope, boars down

with a knife deserves what happens to them.

[Logical]

53. Well, it is the only way to have a fair fight. nt

[GGJohn]

59. Oh, I suspect it wouldn't be a fair fight, the odds would be with the animal.

Those hooves and antlers are deadly weapons, as are the tusks of wild boars.
I think I'll pass on a fair fight with an animal.

[Logical]

62. Probably a good idea! :-)

[Shamash]

57. I would be impressed, too

I don't consider modern hunting to be a "sport". Using advanced firearms against unsuspecting herbivores is not much of a sport. I do it to put food on the table and harbor no illusions about it being "sporting".

I do, however, have a few hand-made stone-tipped spears which I occasionally go hunting with. I have not gotten anything yet, and I am amazed our ancestors did not starve to death and can see why a) they were so thrilled to get one and b) why they hunted in groups. Ever tried to sneak up to within spear-throwing range of a deer? And then throw the damn thing without spooking them? And then break your laboriously hand-crafted spear point when you miss? Argh.

[Logical]

61. Neat deal.......

I can see that being fun to try. What an accomplishment that would be.

Just like building a trap out of things you find in the wild. Would be a challenge.

[oneshooter]

94. I generally hunt with a flint lock anymore.

One shot, no quick reloads, 120yds or less range.

[glasshouses]

119. Wounding a game animal isn't really fun

Unless the person is very skilled at throwing a stone tipped spear into a deer or an elk etc...

It's not a good idea or even a legal way to take deer sized game.
There are people who do hunt boar with spear and dogs that is legal

[Rex]

131. True, I always picture that cowardly sack of shit Ted Nugent when I see that word.

Then again you cannot expect sniveling cowards to want a fair fight, they might lose.

[GGJohn]

146. So tough guy,

why don't you go show us how it's done. Of course we'll be expecting a video of how you went "mano a mano" with an animal.

[n2doc]

5. Oooh, somebody's going to be getting a bunch of threatening letters...

The Gun worshippers don't take criticism lightly.

[Duckhunter935]

7. Yes, we just like to follow Skinner's guidance and

the SOP. Seems kind of like an insult to Skinner to deliberately ignore those things.

[Duckhunter935]

11. Whats a Gun worshipper?

[cherokeeprogressive]

161. They're supposed to be white... I think.

Many here believe they might be German, or of German ancestry, with German ancestry being most popular opinion. Some don't believe they're real at all. No one has ever seen one in person, although everybody knows someone who has, or knows someone who knows someone who has. Some people believe they could be anybody, and therein lies their danger. The greatest trick Gun Worshippers (who can be heard late at night screaming "moar gunz!" at the full moon) ever attempt is convincing the world they don't exist, seeing as how every bad thing that happens in the United States is actually the fault of a Gun Worshipper or someone who knows a Gun Worshipper.

One popular story told about Gun Worshippers is that when someone, anyone, mentions their "gunz", they instantly go into a sort of an attack defense mode. Some have been known to kill entire city blocks at the mere mention of their "gunz", then kill their own families, before running into the forest screaming "moar gunz!".

Gun Worshippers kill everyone. They kill their kids. They kill their wives. They kill their parents and their parents' friends. They burn down the houses they live in, and the stores they work in. Gun Worshippers kill people that owe them money. And then, like that... they're gone. Underground. No one ever sees them again. They become a myth, a spook story that sensible parents tell their kids at night. "Buy a gun, and the Gun Worshippers will kill you sooner or later. If they don't kill you, you'll use that gun to kill yourself!" Some kids are just bad though, right down in their genes, and they buy gunz even though they know killing is what gunz do in the hands of Gun Worshippers.

Hope this helps. Have a Great Day. As for me; I'm going to go out and practice avoiding Gun Worshippers like The Plague. KEEP. YOUR. EYES. OPEN! Remember, ANYONE could be a Gun Worshipper, and therein lies their danger.

[madokie]

14. Leave it to the cartoonist

to put right with might. Some say words others draw messages, this man does both

I've yet to see a hunter take to the woods with an assault riffle. I have many hunters in my family, people who hunt to eat to feed their families, those kind of hunters and not a single one of them hunts with an assault rifle even though I'm sure some have them.

[hobbit709]

16. Exactly!

[GGJohn]

18. I use an AR-15 to hunt the feral pigs here in AZ,

and I also use it to shoot predators going after my livestock.
Very few people have assault rifles, those are tightly controlled, most are just semi auto, one pull of the trigger, one round fired.

[madokie]

23. It don't matter John

I watched a friend purchase for a few dollars the parts to change his semi-auto to an all out assault rifle and it only took a few minutes to change the parts out.

Its the war that changed my opinion of GUNs. I don't mind you having a shotgun or rifle for hunting, if you must or home protection but an AR 15 un-nerves me somewhat

[GGJohn]

28. I'm sorry, but I don't understand why an AR-15 would un-nerve you?

It operates the same exact way as my semi auto .22 rifle, one pull of the trigger, one bullet going down range, it's not like the M-16's carried during the war, which were selective fire.
On a side note, I was a chopper pilot during my career in the Army, so I usually didn't carry an M-16, part of my survival kit was a handgun.

Welcome Home Brother.

[madokie]

44. The visual, its what it reminds me of

same with an ak47.

have a good day and welcome home to you too Bro'

I'm out of here

[GGJohn]

48. Fair enough, I can understant that.

You have a great day also.

[oneshooter]

32. Since your friend was in violation of federal law, why did you not report him?

By not reporting his violation you condone his illegal actions. According to many posters here you are as guilty as he is.

[Duckhunter935]

35. That is very true

So I look forward to his answer

[Duckhunter935]

33. When was this?

I call bull on the friend story. Any AR manufactured after 86 has to have materiel added to the lower for the sear to fit. An autosear or part that can make a rifle full automatic is registered and serial numbered as a machine gun. Unless you are talking about a bump stock which you can get the same effect as a rubber band.

Hunting is what is being talked about and that seems to be what people are having an issue with to include you.

[pocoloco]

42. It is amazing that only changing the stock of a rifle

turns it magically into an assault rifle!

[madokie]

52. One more then I'm gone

its not the stock that did it. What makes it what it is is the design. the inline barrel, mechanism and stock that makes it so lethal. By design it is easy to hold on target, by design it was developed for killing people in combat. The only thing it has in common with a gun for hunting is the rifles in the barrel. Nothing you or anyone else can say will change that.

I've said all I'm going to say, good day

[Duckhunter935]

54. the dreaded

pistol grip.

Just check out the non-"assault weapon" NY SAFE compliant rifles. I would post a picture but they would alert on me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ny+safe+compliant+rifle&num=100&client=firefox&hs=WJL&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=r2DfVI9ajLGCBIS1hBA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1920&bih=979

[AtheistCrusader]

226. You watched your 'friend' commit a 10 year, $100,000 Federal Felony?

Title 18 U.S.C. § 4. Misprision of felony. Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Fascinating.

[Duckhunter935]

21. other than the fact he does not seem to understand

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what an assault rifle is

This is a very good video on a semi-auto hunting rifle.
www.youtube.***/watch?v=VbDQUADaIkE

[madokie]

25. Thanks but I'll pass on the video

just the sight of the gun brings back bad memories. I don't want to relive them

Peace

[lumberjack_jeff]

104. Interesting video

It stands to reason that this generations "hunting rifle" is derived from the R&D performed by last generations military.

The AR platform can be chambered in Deer and Elk calibers?

[GGJohn]

108. Yes, it can be chambered in several different hunting rounds,

the most popular being the .308 round for larger game.

[Duckhunter935]

112. The AR platform can be chambered in Deer and Elk calibers?

Yes, the larger caliber weapons are commonly referred to as the the AR-10. Same operation as the AR-15 but larger caliber.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10

Remington makes the R-25 in those calibers.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/55554
and another
S&W
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_817049_-1_757785_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

[AtheistCrusader]

224. That's because you have no idea what you're looking at.

And probably no idea how Congress and various states have classified 'assault weapon'.

These two rifles are mechanically identical.

[Logical]

30. I have never understood having an animal head in your house to prove you killed it! Weird IMO. nt

[GGJohn]

34. I never understood that also,

I hunt, but you'll never find any heads anywhere in our house.

[aikoaiko]

31. I thought Wiley Miller was smarter and more educated than this.

[Duckhunter935]

37. guess not

[Paladin]

41. He sure set off the DU pro-gun contingent, didn't he?

[aikoaiko]

43. Ignorant asshattery usually does.

[samsingh]

66. kick

[Duckhunter935]

76. for an ignorant cartoon

I am glad so people can see how ignorant it actually is by reading the facts posted here.

[samsingh]

239. hey there was an email last week about facts that more guns = more deaths

interesting that no one from the pro gun crowd had anything to say about it.

could have hunted ducks in the quiet.

here is the link for those interested in facts:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
An interesting study coming out of The Violence Policy Center demonstrates that statistics and data back common sense and logic.

This week, Cenk Uygur goes over new research study information that correlates states with the strictest gun control laws, have fewer gun related deaths. Watch this TYT episode to find out more.

"States with the lowest gun death rates - the top three were Hawaii, Massachusetts and New York -- were found to have strong gun laws as well as low rates of gun ownership. A separate 2013 analysis from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence similarly found these three states were among those with the strongest gun restrictions in place." - The Huffington Post -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/29/weak-gun-laws-and-high-gu_n_6572384.html

https://www.vpc.org/

[GGJohn]

243. Violence Policy Center (VPC)?

I treat anything coming from them as I treat anything coming from the NRA, pure disbelief.

[samsingh]

244. the facts were confirmed by another group

you can't ask for facts and then dismiss them without even evaluating them.

'...pure disbelief'??????

on what basis - you don't like the conclusion. This is the dishonesty of the progun continual request for facts only to dismiss them and then say 'what facts'.

i've kept this for pasting anytime a pro gun person asks for facts - expecting them to not even bother to understand them.

at least you seem to be dismissing the NRA talking points. Others trust studies supported by the gun lobby, but nothing from victims of gun violence.

[GGJohn]

245. Funny thing is that according to the FBI,

more guns doesn't equal more deaths, firearm deaths have been dropping for the last 20 years, and what's so dishonest about the VPC report is that 2/3rd's of those deaths are by suicide.
Nope, I'll believe the FBI's UCR over anything the VPC or the NRA put out.

[samsingh]

246. suicide is still a gun death

let's not try to pull skew numbers or the bell curve.

where is the study incorrect in its methodology or conclusions?

[GGJohn]

247. The VPC is saying that more guns equals more deaths,

which just isn't true according to the FBI's UCR, in fact, the opposite seems to be true, while firearms sales have soared, firearms deaths have decreased in the last 20 years.

[samsingh]

248. there is absolutely no way that more guns = less deaths

unless it becomes a situation of infinite guns where guns is no longer a significant factor. At this point, other things in society could be bringing deaths down.

in fact, more guns may not even be a significant factor, or could be a negative factor that is outweighed by something that is bringing crime down and more guns is reducing the extent crime is falling.

i don't remember reading about any possible massacres that were averted because armed citizens were able to outdraw someone shooting an assault rifle and kill them before they killed innocent people.

[GGJohn]

249. And I never said more guns=less deaths,

but clearly, according to the FBI's UCR, more guns isn't equaling more deaths, so that would make the VPC report false.

[samsingh]

250. here's what their website says: Read why the FBI discourages ranking agencies on the sole basis

of UCR

[DrDan]

93. I think it is strange that gun/bow hunters consider themselves "sportsmen"

go mano a mano and then the term might apply

[99Forever]

97. Careful...

... that thought is quite threatening to their egos. They'll start telling you about what great humanitarians they are being by killing things to "feed the poor and starving."


Sport, my ass.

[DrDan]

174. I suppose it would be quite soothing to

consider one's killings as "sport"

[Gothmog]

96. Great cartoon

[jwirr]

101. My dad was a butcher. There was nothing he hated more than processing an animal that was killed

with an assault rifle or one that laid over the hood of a car for a couple of hours.

The first meant that you had to throw away much of the meat because it was ripped to shreds and the second meant that the heat from the motor cause the meat to spoil. Absolute waste of an animal.

[GGJohn]

103. Who the hell hunts with an assault rifle?

Those rifles are very expensive and tightly controlled, now if you're talking about a semi auto rifle like the AR platform, they make very good hunting rifles, they're ergonomic, lightweight, can be configured for different calibers, and very dependable.

Myself, though, when hunting bigger game, I prefer the more traditional bolt action hunting rifle, like my Savage 30.06, for smaller game, like the feral pigs around here, I use my AR-15 chambered in .223, which is a sufficient round without tearing up the meat.

[jwirr]

106. Don't asks me I just remember hunting season and how angry my dad would get. All I know is

that the bodies were riddled with bullets. Dependable - in that you can shot an animal even if you are a bad shot. Not so much is you are hunting for meat to feed your family.

[dumbcat]

169. How exactly is the meat

"ripped to shreds" by a bullet from an AR-15 differently than a bullet from a bolt action rifle?

[jwirr]

175. I do not know these guns. Merely that using more than a couple bullets tends to rip whole sections

of the animal up. Dad had to throw away whole quarters at times. One or even two well placed shots leave some damage but more means throwing much of it away.

[dumbcat]

195. That's what I thought

Yep, shooting deer and other game with a machine gun will do that.

[Duckhunter935]

199. I do not think you will use

a 30,000 dollar machine gun for hunting. Not to mention how hard it is to go through the extra background checks and pay your 200 tax stamp. Unannounced inspections by the feds are also part of the drill.

Just shows again that some do not know a thing they are talking about.

[jwirr]

201. Even I know that with my small knowledge regarding guns. And I never claimed that.

[Duckhunter935]

202. I know that

The poster I responded to did though.

[belcffub]

211. I have taken deer with an AR rifle...

one small hole is all it takes... no more or no less then any of my other hunting rifles... I have not had to take a second shot in many years... A fact that I pride myself on. I am good with the AR out to 200 yards but am usually in around 100... I use a heavier weight bullet then normal but otherwise it is a stock 5.56

For longer distances I use a weatherby 300 which is good out to 500 yards or longer in the right hands... again only need one shot...

[mwrguy]

105. And many gunhumpers were butthurt

[GGJohn]

111. Nope, just amused at the ignorance of the author of that toon,

and some of the comments also.

[VScott]

118. Let them have their toons and comments.

Its all they have left and all they'll ever get.

In the meantime, the prices of DIY AR's have been falling considerably...


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/891766/del-ton-m4-carbine-kit-ar-15-556x45mm-nato-1-in-9-twist-16-m4-contour-barrel

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/10445/category/4282/

Thees are truly great times we live in when one with very little experience and/or tooling can slap together a
complete AR15 for under $600.00 and still have money left for a few boxes of ammo.

[Duckhunter935]

127. Yep

That is why the AR platform is the best selling rifle today.

Notice how super busy their group has gotten lately

[Rex]

142. .

[Duckhunter935]

117. and who would that be

Like John I am just amused at the lack of knowledge by the artist. I guess we can not point that out?

[Rex]

133. I know it is making me LMAO at their failed attempts to shutdown this OP.

Pathetic, but totally predictable.

[Duckhunter935]

139. at least we do not require a "safe haven"

and like to respect Skinner and his guidance for this forum.

[Rex]

141. Respect Skinner? You?

Seriously, you made me laugh hard this morning...no need to try and out do yourself.

[Duckhunter935]

145. point out were I do not

When you disregard his guidance, you disrespect the person.

Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.

Posted by Skinner
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

GUNS

News stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about efforts to strengthen or weaken gun control legislation in any jurisdiction in the United States, national news stories (and related content) from reputable mainstream sources about high-profile gun crimes, and viral political content from social media or blogs that would likely be of interest to a large majority of DU members are permitted under normal circumstances.

Local stories about gun crime and "gun porn" threads showing pictures of guns or discussing the merits of various firearms are not permitted under normal circumstances and should be posted in the Gun Control and RKBA Group.

Open discussion of guns is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

[Rex]

149. See post #131 nt

nt

[Duckhunter935]

153. I have no idea what you mean

posting to your own thread on crazy Ted

[VScott]

114. He must'a been'a hunting with one of these bad MoFo's...

[img][/img]

(Obligatory, canned, predictable penis reference in 1...2...3...)

[Duckhunter935]

116. be carefull, the controllers will alert

I was alerted on and hidden for linking to a YouTube video after being asked to answer a question. I find it interesting how they only try and apply the SOP argument to hide opposing viewpoints.

Agree with the penis reference though, just a matter of a little time.

[VScott]

126. Seems like that's about all they have the abilty to control these days.

I can almost understand their frustration.

[Duckhunter935]

135. it does drive them nuts

it was funny when the two hosts from the "safe haven" left and they had no way to block opposing views. Drove them crazy.


They try the same thing in other groups and have failed miserably.

[Rex]

125. Careful you will get a paranoid reply that is total nonsense.

[Chuuku Davis]

147. I kill coyotes with my M16

Lots of coyotes
Some pigs and raccoons also

[Duckhunter935]

150. an M16

I doubt it, does it have burst or full auto capability?

[panader0]

162. Why would you kill coyotes? For food? I love coyotes and have many around here.

[GGJohn]

168. I kill them when they go after our livestock,

otherwise, if they're just passing through, I give them a free pass.

[panader0]

171. Do you eat them, or donate to the food bank?

Coyotes are native to Az, unlike your livestock.
And you are not Chuuku.

[GGJohn]

176. Nope, I leave them to the scavangers to to clean up.

What difference does it make if our livestock is native to AZ or not?
Coyotes, or any other predators go after our livestock, I kill them, plain and simple.

[MH1]

178. do you use bullets with lead?

just curious.

[Duckhunter935]

181. most milsurp 5.56

ammo has very little lead and the new ones do not have any.

[GGJohn]

183. No, I do not.

I try my best to be a friend to the environment.
I use these in my AR-15



These are .223 Rem - 35 gr Non-Toxic Polymer Tipped - Hornady bullets.

[MH1]

185. Thank you, that's good to know.

Someone I know online works with a wildlife rehab and they deal a lot with lead poisoning. That's more with birds consuming fish with the lead fishing weights, I think. But I've understood that lead in bullets and/or shot can still be a problem also.

Anyway he's always posting photos of poisoned birds and it is very sad.

[Duckhunter935]

191. I just hope that people put as much effort

into the fishing industry as that is a major source of lead for birds

[Sgent]

252. It used to be a real issue

with lead shot. Shot is the little bb sized pellets of lead found in shotgun shells, and used for hunting birds. The pellets would drop into prime bird territory, and be eaten.

Lead shot was banned decades ago (at least 15-20 years), and now only stainless steel is used.

Lead is still used in bullets, but most rifle and pistol rounds are much larger than what birds will generally eat.

[Rex]

152. K&R for pissing of the right person!

[ileus]

155. What is this cartoon about?

Looks like ink blots or something?

[Augustus]

157. Gun lovers not getting the point here

I will address them here rather than through individual replies.

1) If you hunt for food, that does not make you a "sportsman". The cartoonist is not criticizing people who hunt for food, he his criticizing people who hunt for sport: For the killing of animals solely to display them on a wall as a kind of achievement. Hence the plaques on the wall and the use of the word "sportsman".

2) The "ink blot" depictions are not meant to be an accurate representation of what an assault rifle can do to an animal. It's called satire. It's meant to make the point that an assault rifle is generally not necessary to kill an animal, that it's overkill, and that these so called "sportsmen" are little more than bloodthirsty sociopaths who get some kind of psychological thrill from the taking of a life. Again, the cartoonist is not criticizing people who kill for food.

The fact that a few people are taking offense to this cartoon speaks more about them than they realize.

[GGJohn]

158. And you're not getting it either.

Nobody hunts with an assault rifle, and no state in the country allows hunting with assault rifles.
The comments by a few here really show the ignorance of the gun control community.

The author of this toon is a total idiot.

[Augustus]

160. It's satire

Satire
the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.


Do you understand now how you're not getting the point?

[Duckhunter935]

164. bad satire at that

satire should be based at least partly on the truth, and this is not even close.

[Augustus]

170. You're holding satire to an unbelievable standard

Simply because you disagree with the progressive message of the cartoon, you hold it to such an incredible standard of "truth" that no satire on the planet can possibly adhere to. Would you have the cartoonist take away the "ink blot" animals? Replace "assault weapon" with "hunting rifle"? That would not only make the cartoon NOT satire, it would remove its entire point.

[Duckhunter935]

179. Yes if you remove all of the false

narratives it would not have a point. Nobody hunts with assault rifles, and even if they did they do not disintegrate the animal.

If his point was as said hunting with a firearm is not "sporting" he could very well make that point using a standard hunting rifle. The artist did not.

I think a much better one would be a dear or bear with a rifle.

[GGJohn]

165. I caught the satire when the OP posted the thread,

I do get the point, but it's an idiotic toon and causes more division between the two sides of the gun debate.
Are you starting to get how this is a dumbass toon and thread?

[Augustus]

167. Disagreeing with a progressive message does not make the message idiotic

It does, however, make you less of a progressive than you may think you are. If you disagree with the basic point of the cartoon, which essentially boils down to "people who kill animals for sport are immoral/unethical", then I don't know if you should be posting on a progressive board. This cartoon articulates a fundamental tenet of progressive ideals.

[GGJohn]

172. My, my, now you're the arbitar of what's progressive and what's not?

You don't think I should be posting here because I disagree with this idiotic toon?
And you've been here for how long?

[Augustus]

173. Is shooting and killing animals for sport progressive?

That's the question you need to answer. It's a yes or no question. (Hint: No)

[GGJohn]

177. Are you the arbiter of what's progressive or not?

That's the question you need to answer. It's a yes or no question. (Hint: No)

[Augustus]

186. Progressivism

progressivism
the principles and practices of progressives.

progressive
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:


Now if you can give a convincing argument for why the shooting and killing of animals for nothing more than sport (as opposed to for food) is a progressive value, you will at least have a leg to stand on. The abolition of such barbaric practices is the very definition of "change, improvement, or reform".

You are not a progressive on this issue, period.

[GGJohn]

187. I don't need to convince you of anything at all.

But did it ever occur to you that hunting is considered a sport?
Hunting for food is a sport, while trophy hunting is barbaric.
Just because someone has the heads of their kills mounted doesn't mean that they're trophy hunting, a lot of my hunting buddies eat what the kill but have the heads mounted for hanging.

Maybe you should learn the difference of sport hunting and trophy hunting.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

188. Guns and shooting are not progressive simply because...

...the Republicans like them. It's a reaction adopted by the parties designed to be divisive. Was JFK progressive?

[GGJohn]

203. Very progressive, yet he was an avid firearms owner

and sportsman.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

204. And a life member...

...(oh no) of the NRA.

[GGJohn]

205. OH NOOOOS!!!!! eom.

[panader0]

163. Thank you for getting the point.

[aikoaiko]

208. Thank you for anti-gunster-splaining the toon.

1. The line between hunters who eat who shoot game to eat and hunters who put heads on walls is a very blurry line. Many of the hunters I know eat every animal they kill, but also put some heads on walls and consider themselves sportsman when looking for an interesting specimen. Who are you to say they can't be both.

2. The toon is based on a canard that the anti-gunsters use to discredit the ownership of semi-auto rifles like AR15s. First they conflate fully auto rifles with semiauto rifles and then say neither is useful for hunting.

You can backpedal by calling it satire and only limited to sportsmen who don't eat what they hunt and use fully automatic weapons to hunt, but I think it is just another example anti-gunster misinformation and ridicule.

[leveymg]

180. Add a plaque, SOMETHING WITHOUT FUR.

Wait. Maybe, that's WHATEVER?

[Damansarajaya]

206. This is a semi-automatic rifle

It varies in no real respect from the feared "black rifle" or so-called assault weapon.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

218. Stop playing army and join it.

[flvegan]

225. Sportsman? LOL!!!!! OMG, idiots. LOL, "hunter" right?

Hold on, they still think they "hunt" I guess. Vapid, clueless morons, LOL.

At least they aren't "hunting" at canned hunts, right?

Oops. Sorry, not. Fuck you, "hunters" bahahahhhaaaaaa!

[Duckhunter935]

230. wow, how civil of you

truly sad

[Electric Monk]

251. I'm kicking this thread, just for their enjoyment :) nt

[Madmiddle]

233. That seems to tingle someones tangle.

Looks about right to me. I can hear shooting from my front yard. Granted, it is over a mile away, but I hope it never gets closer.

[Recursion]

235. Scuba, this seems to be a topic you care about

Why not take the day or two it would take to actually learn what you want to get rid of?