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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:26 AM Feb 2015

The super-rich don’t care about us. It will be their downfall

by Oliver James

The news this week that a bank helped wealthy customers to dodge taxes should not come as a surprise to many. The super-rich have long held some profoundly distorted ideas about the world. They are more than averagely likely to believe their achievements are the product of their superior brains and hard work. They may believe the Selfish Gene rhetoric that those with the best genes rise to the top of the pond, and at the bottom is genetic sludge. They are oblivious to any evidence to the contrary. They have no idea that had they been born on a sink estate they too would have sunk.

This is partly because the super-rich are no longer exposed to data and experiences that contradict their worldview. Flitting between their various homes around the world, they know nothing of our lives. They have never, ever had to sit on the phone waiting for the next available customer support agent – “your call really matters to us” – to not fix their phone/internet/energy bill issue.

Of particular concern is that they only consume media that support their worldview. Recently, an Oxbridge-educated CEO in all seriousness told me that there has been no increase in inequality in this country. My jaw was slack with amazement when another told me that “inner London secondary pupils have the best exam results of any in the world”. They are living in the la-la land that Polly Toynbee and David Walker painstakingly exposed in their book Unjust Rewards.

Consider your response to the following information. About 15,700 under-two-year-olds live in a family that is classed as homeless, according to a new report. Homelessness adversely affects parental responsiveness, and early responsiveness has been proved to affect the capacity of the brain to process positive experiences.

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/13/super-rich-dont-care-about-us-taxes

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The super-rich don’t care about us. It will be their downfall (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2015 OP
The TPP will help make them super-richer, too. I didn't see a downfall for them in this article. RiverLover Feb 2015 #1
Right. Where do you see a downfall? maddiemom Feb 2015 #2
Theirs or ours? nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #3
Wait. Was your text left off your original post? Or did I glitch something in reading? maddiemom Feb 2015 #7
I didn't change or edit anything (you can check that too) RiverLover Feb 2015 #19
Not at all. I was just curious. maddiemom Feb 2015 #22
I didn't take it personally, & I wasn't even sure what you meant. RiverLover Feb 2015 #23
Perhaps people are touchy because some posters are so rude BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #25
So do I. zeemike Feb 2015 #5
Yes!!!!! We are too busy, fighting each other, manipulated, just as intended, too distracted to see RiverLover Feb 2015 #6
And I wish I had a solution for that but I don't zeemike Feb 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 47of74 Feb 2015 #10
When the Working CLass & The Poor realize.... bvar22 Feb 2015 #11
If the Oligarchy continues to convince the right wingnuts with guns that the left is the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #17
If only it were just the "Super" rich. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #4
That would be true under the traditional notions of producers consumer relationships HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #9
Yes, not the rich or the well off...sorry guys you will be on the same boat with us. Rex Feb 2015 #12
Maybe if we set up a charity for the downtrodden super-rich they'd like us better. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #13
The day of reckoning will come for these assholes. hifiguy Feb 2015 #14
Careful! You will scare them off in their leerjets to fancy island retreats! Rex Feb 2015 #15
Now THAT'S a good idea. hifiguy Feb 2015 #16
The GOP has finally figured out that income inquality is an issue. winter is coming Feb 2015 #18
They can put all the lipstick on that pig that they want. hifiguy Feb 2015 #20
True enough. Following this for decades has shown me it'll be more of the same. Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #21
It's not just Republicans anymore BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #26
Truer yet enough Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #27
We can do this the hard way. Octafish Feb 2015 #24

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
1. The TPP will help make them super-richer, too. I didn't see a downfall for them in this article.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:36 AM
Feb 2015

But I see our downfall with the continued grip of Moneyed Interests on our government, and backroom deals like the TPP.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. I didn't change or edit anything (you can check that too)
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:33 PM
Feb 2015

I just figured you were making snark about my lack of clarity.

Ie, the correct sentence would read "The article posted failed to show how this would be the super-rich's downfall." or some variation of this.

I was lazy in the moment, were you calling me out on that?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
22. Not at all. I was just curious.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:23 PM
Feb 2015

Don't be so touchy. That seems to be the reaction here more and more.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
23. I didn't take it personally, & I wasn't even sure what you meant.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:29 PM
Feb 2015

I still have no idea. ha Its cool though!!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
5. So do I.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:40 AM
Feb 2015

And they have firm control of media and government and they expect to control the pond scum to make the world safe for oligarchy.
And the left/right division is the reason we will never come together to oppose them...we are too busy fighting each other to notice they are fucking us over at every turn.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
6. Yes!!!!! We are too busy, fighting each other, manipulated, just as intended, too distracted to see
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:58 AM
Feb 2015

this 'Democracy" and the "Democracy" we want to spread throughout the world is actually a plutocracy, corporations pulling the strings.

Its our downfall, but as long as its perceived as the other team's fault, we're absolved of the complicit though complacent blame for our collective demise.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
8. And I wish I had a solution for that but I don't
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 10:51 AM
Feb 2015

But this game they are playing on us depends on hard feelings and contempt for one another to keep us apart and so ending that is one way.
And ending it must start with one party just stop doing it and playing the game...and that is a tough one to convince people emotionally charged up to fight to stop it.

Response to zeemike (Reply #8)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. When the Working CLass & The Poor realize....
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:08 PM
Feb 2015

...that WE have more in common with each other than we have in common with the 1% and their Mouth Pieces in Washington,
then we can have change too.

Many Latin American countries have successfully wrested their countries away from the clutching hands of their Oligarchs in near bloodless ballot Box revolutions.
That can happen here too.


Spread the word.
VIVA Democracy!!!
I pray we gt some here soon.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. If the Oligarchy continues to convince the right wingnuts with guns that the left is the
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:25 PM
Feb 2015

source of their troubles, we won't ever unite to fight the Oligarchy. Why do you think the Oligarchy lets the idiots have guns? Because they know they can convince the idiots to aim them at the intellectuals.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
4. If only it were just the "Super" rich.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:35 AM
Feb 2015

Large swaths of smiling and nodding sycophants line up to donate to the coffers of whatever schemes they may come up with. I don't know who is worse. Like having to choose between a slave dealer or a slave owner. They are both horrible no matter the circumstances and the only trade they really deal in is suffering of the vulnerable, by the powerful, for monetary gain.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. That would be true under the traditional notions of producers consumer relationships
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 11:07 AM
Feb 2015

but when it's cheaper to leave us behind when setting up a new wage-slave based economy then we get left behind.

The emergence of alternative consumer populations means the new wage-slave based economy doesn't have to depend on the purchasing power of the left behind no longer waged slaves who've lost consumer power

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. Yes, not the rich or the well off...sorry guys you will be on the same boat with us.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:10 PM
Feb 2015

The super-rich. The ones that are friends with the 85 people that own half the worlds wealth. The 1%.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. The day of reckoning will come for these assholes.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:17 PM
Feb 2015

It always does. I hope I live long enough to see them get their just reward:

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Careful! You will scare them off in their leerjets to fancy island retreats!
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:20 PM
Feb 2015

Where they will hurumph about our own inability to scam billions of people out of their hard earned money. Who will you pick on next? The evangelists?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
18. The GOP has finally figured out that income inquality is an issue.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:28 PM
Feb 2015

I suspect they'll "solve" it the way they "solve" their other problems: by assuming that they just need to spruce up their PR for the same failed ideas.

I've said before that backlash against the current system will seem impossible until it's suddenly inevitable. That the GOP is starting to acknowledge there's an issue is a hint we're getting closer to "inevitable".

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
21. True enough. Following this for decades has shown me it'll be more of the same.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:07 PM
Feb 2015

Their "cure" will be: more free trade agreements, more privatization, more tax cuts for "the job creators".

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
26. It's not just Republicans anymore
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 06:29 AM
Feb 2015

We've got a Democrat pushing the worst free trade agreement ever
We've got a Democrat presiding over the largest privitization of public education in history
We've got a Democrat who has cut taxes or not allowed tax cuts to expire
We've got a Democrat who has put Social Security on the table
We've got Democrats on this board cheering about Democrats running on a platform of tax cuts
We have all the things you name and more.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
27. Truer yet enough
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 06:46 AM
Feb 2015

I'm so bummed out.

High profile social issue bullshit does not in any way make up for the loss of the working class' vitality: "Third-Way" philosophy notwithstanding.

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